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1. Re: Encore Adds Extra Chapter (Chapter 2) A Few Frames After Chapter 1
Pyramid Pyro Dec 9, 2010 9:33 AM (in response to Pyramid Pyro)Could this be an issue of a poster frame being mis-treated by the program? I don't use poster frames but they sometimes get generated automatically.
Erik
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2. Re: Encore Adds Extra Chapter (Chapter 2) A Few Frames After Chapter 1
Stan Jones Dec 9, 2010 1:02 PM (in response to Pyramid Pyro)I wondered if you were seeing a poster frame, and not a chapter. How do you know there is a chapter at the point you describe?
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3. Re: Encore Adds Extra Chapter (Chapter 2) A Few Frames After Chapter 1
Pyramid Pyro Dec 9, 2010 1:26 PM (in response to Pyramid Pyro)I too was thinking that maybe Encore treated the poster frame as a chapter upon export. I just can't be sure.
In my Project, I'm seeing the chapters arranged and numbered as they are in my exmple (post 1). In the Project they are correct. On a set top player, I'm seeing and navigating with the inclusion of the extra chapter. Other than the 1 extra chapter being added everything else is OK.
Thanks,
Erik
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4. Re: Encore Adds Extra Chapter (Chapter 2) A Few Frames After Chapter 1
Stan Jones Dec 9, 2010 1:50 PM (in response to Pyramid Pyro)On a set top player, I'm seeing and navigating with the inclusion of the extra chapter.
Sorry; being a little concrete: I usually am just watching and using "next chapter" to advance. You couldn't do so on a chapter that is only a few frames after (in fact, what is the minimum distance between chapters? - Edit: forgot to edit this before - no limit on bluray h.264). Are you using the number keys? Or reading the chapter number from something? That would be evidence it is not a poster frame.
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5. Re: Encore Adds Extra Chapter (Chapter 2) A Few Frames After Chapter 1
Pyramid Pyro Dec 9, 2010 1:59 PM (in response to Stan Jones)First, thanks for chiming in about this one. Your help is appreciated.
I don't have the disc in front of me, but when I was watching it it it obviously starts at chapter 1, then the display indicates chapter 2 starts about 1 second later (I'm guessing less than 1 second but I never timed it so...).
When I navigate using the remote's next/previous buttons I can move to these chapter points. I don't use the number keys.
I didn't know that bluray didn't have the minimum distance between chapters features.
I was thinking Encore treated the poster frame as a chapter only because I noticed poster frames are relatively close to the chapter marker and follow it. Maybe it has nothing to do with chapter markers at all.
Tonight I'm going to experiment with a fresh disc and play with chapter points and poster frames. I'll report back later.
Erik
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6. Re: Encore Adds Extra Chapter (Chapter 2) A Few Frames After Chapter 1
Jeff Bellune Dec 9, 2010 2:04 PM (in response to Pyramid Pyro)Every En timeline automatically adds Chapter 1. If you manually try to put in your own Chapter 1, then En will place a new chapter point as close as possible to the default, automatic and un-modifiable Chapter 1. That means the next I-frame, which is usually 1/2 second later.
Is that what happened to you?
-Jeff
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7. Re: Encore Adds Extra Chapter (Chapter 2) A Few Frames After Chapter 1
Stan Jones Dec 9, 2010 2:28 PM (in response to Pyramid Pyro)when I was watching it it it obviously starts at chapter 1, then the display indicates chapter 2 starts about 1 second later (I'm guessing less than 1 second but I never timed it so...).
Unless you are mistaken about which timeline is actually being burned etc, I take this as evidence there is a chapter being added, a very short distance after chapter 1.I was thinking Encore treated the poster frame as a chapter only because I noticed poster frames are relatively close to the chapter marker and follow it. Maybe it has nothing to do with chapter markers at all.
I don't think a poster frame can be treated as a chapter. Play with them all!
I'm recalling a thread indicating that Encore splits and creates more timelines in Bluray under some circumstances, so I wonder if there are circumstances where a chapter is added.
Makes no sense, of course. If I didn't have your descriptions, I'd guess that the "user" forgot there is always a chapter 1 automatically, was a few frames in, and hit the add chapter button. Do you have a cat? (Ha, ha! a la the recent poster whose cat pressed on their keyboard.)
This surely doesn't happen to every bluray timeline, so I would also look for what is different about your project/timeline/assets.
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8. Re: Encore Adds Extra Chapter (Chapter 2) A Few Frames After Chapter 1
Pyramid Pyro Dec 9, 2010 2:29 PM (in response to Jeff Bellune)No, I would create the timeline, drag in an asset or 2, and build. If more than one asset is in the same timline it would automatically set the second chapter point at the beginning of the second asset.
Erik
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9. Re: Encore Adds Extra Chapter (Chapter 2) A Few Frames After Chapter 1
Stan Jones Dec 9, 2010 2:50 PM (in response to Pyramid Pyro)Oh, yeah; you're the guy with the multiple assets on a timeline...
I wonder if that has something to do with it. False start, misplaces. Add and delete, etc.
HOWEVER, your project shows only two total chapters on the timeline. But was this where Encore is creating two or more elements on the disk for the assets on the same timeline?
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10. Re: Encore Adds Extra Chapter (Chapter 2) A Few Frames After Chapter 1
Pyramid Pyro Dec 9, 2010 3:48 PM (in response to Stan Jones)Yeah, that's me Still learning more about that little feature every day...
Encore was definitely showing 2 chapter points on the timeline. The extra point came in to play after the IMG was created/burned. Definitely with more than one asset on the timeline. I'll need to test with one asset on the timeline (created two ways, 1 - import file as timeline and 2 - import file as asset then drag to a new timeline).
Tonight will result in some good tests...
Erik
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11. Re: Encore Adds Extra Chapter (Chapter 2) A Few Frames After Chapter 1
Rover965 Dec 11, 2010 4:58 PM (in response to Pyramid Pyro)I'm seeing exactly the same thing here. Just burned project, and it's adding an extra chapter a few frames past chapter 1. I don't have multiple assets on timeline or anything strange.
Here's the odd part: on my scene selctions menu, it's linked to Main Timeline: Chapter 1, Chapter 2, Chapter 3, etc. What "should" be chapter 2 is correctly linked. Meaning clicking on the chapter 2 button from the menu on settop player actually goes to chapter 3.
You wouldn't realize there's an issue unless you are looking at settop box or turn on Info display on PS3 playback.
BTW, this is a Blu-Ray project.
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13. Re: Encore Adds Extra Chapter (Chapter 2) A Few Frames After Chapter 1
Pyramid Pyro Dec 13, 2010 11:57 AM (in response to Stan Jones)I've reported the bug.
I'm suprised to hear someone else reporting this now, and even more suprised that it never came up before.
Thanks to all for your input. I'm sure Adobe will work it out...
Erik
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14. Re: Encore Adds Extra Chapter (Chapter 2) A Few Frames After Chapter 1
MobyTrix Mar 6, 2011 5:09 PM (in response to Pyramid Pyro)I reauthored a 10-hour bluray project to try to get rid of this bug (and a few others) in the main 3.5-hour feature. When I started again all over from scratch, I put in just the timeline and generated a BMDV folder to check it; all was well. Satisfied, I then worked all weekend to rebuild the project. After I finished, I generated another BMDV folder and the damn bug is there again even though I hadn't touched the timeline at all since the successful build. I'm frustrated that I partially wasted a weekend trying to get rid of this. (At least rebuilding the project got rid of the "looping background video under a multi-page bluray menu loops before the source asset is over" bug.
It looks unprofessional in a final project to tell people you've got 40 chapters when they go up to 41, and you see chapter 1 go to chapter 2 in less than a second.
I really wish someone from Adobe would at least acknowledge bugs. I don't even care at this point if they fix them; I just want someone to come to the forum and say that, yes, they really do see these bugs and they're either working on them or don't ever plan to work on them. Either answer is acceptable; it's the silence that is so frustrating.
Submitted this bug today:
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Concise problem statement: Encore generates a chapter where there is none in the timeline. On a 3.5 hour timeline, with chapters from 1 to 40, the generated blu-ray output has 41 chapters, with chapter 1 at the correct place but then chapter 2 is generated at one second after chapter one.
Steps to reproduce bug:
1. Create any longform project with chapters.
2. Add at least one type of each asset: a slideshow, a 720p timeline, a 1080p timeline a 480i timeline, and a multi-page menu
3. Generate output and burn to disc to play in a real player.
Results:Chapter 1 is onscreen for one second, then you see you're on chapter 2. All chapters beyond chapter 1 are shifted forward one number (timeline chapter 2 is now 3, etc.)
Expected results: Chapter stops in the player should match chapters in the timeline .
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15. Re: Encore Adds Extra Chapter (Chapter 2) A Few Frames After Chapter 1
Michelmnr Sep 8, 2011 10:25 AM (in response to Pyramid Pyro)Hello...Nearly a year later I'm here because I encounter the same problem (CS4) I imported as timeline one avi project (done with PP) then Needed to truncate the end of it so used pp to create another shortened AVI out of my first project and imported it as asset then added it to the first one in the time line. I created 7 chapters with end of action back to the menu, used automatic routing and all worked well in preview. I realised I did not have a play all so made an extra button and linked it with the sequence beginning (Chpt 1) And this is when the problem arose! I magnified the time line to frame view and found two Chpt 1! fairly close to each other and so thought this was the problem so I tried to get rid of it and dragged it to the right on top of the 1st one. I don't know what happened after that as I could not see two anymore but my problem was not solved. I've got no problem to play chapt 1in the monitor but not on the preview! I don't know much about the "poster" but can see it's set at zero like the "in" I will try to redo the project to see if I get the same. I wonder after one year if there is an answer for this problem. MM
I did redo the project using the same assets and it seems to work ok this time!
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