10 Replies Latest reply on Dec 16, 2010 4:32 PM by sldwaa

    New Build for Premier Pro - Please Advise What Should Be Improved

    sldwaa Level 1

      Here is what I have settled on after several weeks of review.  Please criticize or critique as this is my first build.  Also, is 6 GB ram enough?  I believe it is but am open to comments.  I am striving for a good, relatively "cost effective" mid-line performance PC (ie - quad core CPU vs hex).

       

      Processor:  Intel Core i7-950 Bloomfield 3.06GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor BX80601950 ($279.99)

       

      Mother Board:  MSI Big Bang-XPower LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard ($259.99)

       

      Memory:       CORSAIR DOMINATOR 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMP6GX3M3A1600C7
                          DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Timing 7-8-7-20 Cas Latency 7 Cas Latency: 7  ($159.99)

       

      Graphics Card:  MSI N470GTX Twin Frozr II GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5  ($269.99)

       

      OS Hard Drive:  Western Digital VelociRaptor WD6000HLHX 600GB 10000 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - Bare Drive  ($279.99)

       

      Scratch (Working) Drives: 4 Western Digital Caviar Black WD10000LSRTL 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive (Raid 10) ($79.99/ea)

       

      Blu Ray Drive:  Pioneer Black 12X BD-R 2X BD-RE 16X DVD+R 5X DVD-RAM 8X BD-ROM 4MB Cache SATA Internal Blu-ray Burner Blu-ray Burner BDR-206BKS - OEM ($139.99)

       

      Second (General) Drive:  LITE-ON Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 24X DVD Writer LightScribe Support ($23.99)

       

      Power Supply:  CORSAIR Professional Series AX850 850W ATX12V v2.31 / EPS12V v2.92 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular Active PFC PS  ($194.99)

       

      Case:  LIAN LI PC-A77F Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case (spendy - considering others - comments?)  ($313.90)

       

      OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit ($50 - legal copy)

       

      Monitors (2X), TBD, one will be 3D, most likely both 24"

        • 1. Re: New Build for Premier Pro - Please Advise What Should Be Improved
          John T Smith Adobe Community Professional & MVP

          12Gig is better... 3sticks x 4Gig, to allow growth to 24Gig, if you can afford, or 6sticks x 2Gig

           

          Most people opt for Win7 64bit Pro, since Ultimate has extra "stuff" that you only need if you are in a managed work group situation

          • 2. Re: New Build for Premier Pro - Please Advise What Should Be Improved
            Powered by Design Level 4

            The Western Digital have a problem with RAID.

             

            I will let someone else comment on why.

             

             

             

            GLenn

            • 3. Re: New Build for Premier Pro - Please Advise What Should Be Improved
              John T Smith Adobe Community Professional & MVP

              I don't know why (maybe Harm will stop by) but I have seen the Samsung F3 recommended a LOT

              • 4. Re: New Build for Premier Pro - Please Advise What Should Be Improved
                Bill Gehrke Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                Take a look at the test results in PPBM5 and you will see that for Premiere Pro CS5 the biggest problem I see is your opinion on RAM.  Look at where 6 GB will get you, about 75th place--mediocre performance.  I actually believe you should end up with more than 12 GB or at least as been suggested get 4 GB modules so you can upgrade beyond 12 GB easily.  Also I agree that there is no value in Windows Ultimate for video editing, Windows 7 Pro 64 bit is fine.

                • 5. Re: New Build for Premier Pro - Please Advise What Should Be Improved
                  sldwaa Level 1

                  I agree on memory - am changing to:  CORSAIR DOMINATOR 12GB (3 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMP12GX3M3A1600C9  ($249.99).

                   

                  I will stick with Windows 7 ultimate as I was able to get it for $50 - cannot get Pro for this cost.  I agree it is overkill, but at this price, this was the only one I could get (already purchased) - my friend dumped his PC to go to the dark side (Apple) and he only wanted $50 for his orig copy just a few months old.

                   

                  I was enlightened by the comments on the WD black drives and inability for raid.  I did not realize this.  In further research, I am uncomfortable using WD for raid.  I will look into alternatives, including the suggested Samsung F3 or WD RE4 as Harm listed in a previous post and Mr. Smith recommends the Samsung also (thanks to all for this information - any recommendations will be greatly appreciated on replacement hard drives).  Here is my follow up questions on this topic:

                   

                  1.) I am planning on raid 1+0 as I understand this is the best for data integrity.  As for speed (read vs. write) I think I understand the differenced between raid 1+0 and 5 (read many posts on this).  Does anyone disagree with my decision on 1+0 over 5?  Again, I do want speed, however, data integrity is the most important.  I do not want to have to manually back up data as I do today with two eSATA external HDs.

                   

                  2.) I was planning on using the Intel raid controller supplied on the MOBO for my raid 1+0.  It does SATA RAID (0/1/5/10).  What risk does using the onboard MOBO raid controller pose and what can I expect in decreased performance (I believe it consumes CPU time) vs. a separate hardware raid controller card (internal PCI 2.0 card vs. raid controller onboard the MOBO)?  I am not sure what raid information is stored in the OS vs. BIOS when using the onboard solution, but I will by using Acronis backup to backup an image of my OS every month so I can recover my OS drive if it fails (just in case any raid info is indeed stored in the OS).  Commens?  If hardware is advised, and suggestions?  I have seen posts on Areca, but would like guidance on this for 1+0.  One of the IT folks where I work previously workied for Atto Technologies and highly recommends their stuff (ExpressSAS R30F) but it seems expensive (>$1K - ouch!).  If I did buy one, is a 6 GB card backward compatible with the 3 GB drives (I would buy for future expansion).

                   

                  Thanks to all for reading and responding.

                  • 6. Re: New Build for Premier Pro - Please Advise What Should Be Improved
                    wb_martin Level 1

                    The Western Digital Caviar drives should NOT be used in a RAID application due to the problem with Time-Limited Error Recovery, TLER.  See the following application note from WD:  http://www.wdc.com/wdproducts/library/other/2579-001098.pdf

                     

                    I made the mistake of ordering 5 Caviar Blacks for a RAID application before I understood the issues with TLER in WD Caviar drives and had to return and exchange them for RE4 drives - a lesson well-learned - primarily due to the shipping and restocking fees.

                     

                    I think you're on-track with WD RE4's or Samsung SpinPoint F3 drives.  I believe the SpinPoints are"comparable" in price to the Caviar Blacks - and many report they work well in RAID applications.  I opted for staying with WD and got a few RE4's - I have just too much GOOD history across time with WD drives in all of my computers that I am inclined to stay with them, albeit at a price!  I have 3 x 2TB RE4's in a RAID3 on an Areca 1880ix-16 controller.

                     

                     

                     

                     

                    • 7. Re: New Build for Premier Pro - Please Advise What Should Be Improved
                      Scott Chichelli Level 3

                      HI,

                      if using onboard raid 0, or 1+0 (10) then the WD's are 100% ok. parity raid is where the WDs can be an issue.

                       

                      raid 10 is not recommended only 3,5,6 are good redundant raids and require a controller

                      10 can be an issue.

                       

                      with onboard the only thing i reccomend is raid 0 and back up your work to an external. (should do this with raid 3,5,6 as well anyway)

                       

                      Scott

                      ADK

                      • 8. Re: New Build for Premier Pro - Please Advise What Should Be Improved
                        sldwaa Level 1

                        Scott - can you please elaborate on:

                         

                        "raid 10 is not recommended only 3,5,6 are good redundant raids and require a controller

                        10 can be an issue."

                         

                        What issues will 10 cause me?  I am looking for an inexpensive back-up / striping method which 10 seems to do.  What should I be concerned about specifically with your concerns.  I do not want the additional expense of Raid 3,5,etc, but understand basically what the advantages are of these.  My first concern is data integrity (backup) with speed being secondary.

                         

                        Thanks

                        • 9. Re: New Build for Premier Pro - Please Advise What Should Be Improved
                          ECBowen Most Valuable Participant

                          Raid 10 will work fine off the onboard controller. Speed however won't be great for a 4 drive raid but it will be better than a single drive. Any more Raid 10 is a cheap solution where the raid card is beyond the budget. If you can get a raid card then the parity raids are better performance for the drives used.

                           

                          Eric

                          ADK

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                          • 10. Re: New Build for Premier Pro - Please Advise What Should Be Improved
                            sldwaa Level 1

                            Thanks for the response - much appreciated.