Just an extra note re: options.
These particular HP workstations are ones I have access to at a reasonably good price:
But are they really good enough?
The next tier of HP laptops are here:
But they do jump a fair bit in price.
Or maybe I should just make the shift to Apple!
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Like John said, Sager is about the only option you have, but your budget is too low. Start with a budget of $ 4+ K and you can find something.
For the indicated budget all you will find are notebooks with specs below minimum requirements and no faster than your desktop. If you go for Apple you will be even more disappointed.
Thanks for the replies...much appreciated..
So even a Sager laptop with specs listed below (+maybe one or two esata drives for video files) would struggle? It seemed highly specced...and comes in at around that $2 - 2.5K mark.
So basically when spending under $2.5K one is far better off investing in a good solid desktop?
And a mac is not the answer either?
Maybe I need to find a way to travel through Eastern Europe with a desktop in the suitcase!
Thanks for the replies...it isn't easy trying to nagivate through all of these specs...and marketing hype the pc companies tend to throw at us...
It sounds like buidling the best desktop I can for $2.5K might be a safer option.
SAGER NP8760-S1 • Intel® Core™ i7-840QM Mobile Processor • GeForce GTX 460M GPU w/1.5GB GDDR5 Memory • 8GB Dual Channel DDR3 Memory at 1333MHz • 500GB (7200rpm) SATA 300 Hard Drive • 6X Blu-Ray Reader/8X DVD±R/RW/+DL Super-Multi drive
The i7-840QM is too slow and the P55 mobo not suitable for editng HD material. 8 GB memory is cutting it extremely thin. A single disk is not enough, at least two 7200 RPM SATA disks are required, three is much better.
Start with an i7-9xx CPU, not the mobile M version. Add 12 GB memory into the equation and the GTX 460M, which is quite good, plus at least 2 or 3 7200 RPM disks and you will be OK.
Thanks for the great information Harm...your advice is greatly appreciated.
I can see a crucial issue is that many of the manufacturers throw around words like 'mobile workstation', 'desktop replacement' etc.for their laptops...but these machines are just not up to the demands of hd editing.
I'm actually finding it hard in Australia to find a laptop that has the necessary specs...and I'm not sure whether importing from the US is a realistic option.
and all of this leaves me with a problem of what to do when it comes to wanting to travel and do some editing on the journey...and not really wanting to spend 4+K on a laptop...especially when it is a more temporary need...in the long term a dedicated desktop solution seems a better choice.
thanks again for everyones help.
After reading other threads here have come up with this Sager laptop...
How does this look? It comes it a reasonable price of $3,084.00+ (only thing is shipping and tax cost I'll have on top to Australia.)
This makes the start of the New Year very nice. Hope the rest of the year will be as good for you.
Nice price, nice components and specs. The only thing I would change is the OS. Change the Home Premium version for the 64 bit Professional version.
Good to know that you can get a very good notebook for around $ 3 K.
I have one of the 500 gig seagate hybrid drives with 4 gig ssd and it is slower than the normal seagate 500 gig 7200 2.5", so I would just go with 3 x 500 gig 7200 and save a few bucks.
Thanks for the very helpful replies Harm...and for the info re the 4gig ssd Darren...
Final system specs I am looking at are:NP7280-S1
Just had a little complication added whilst figuring out the order....
the website has just dropped the Nvidia 470 card off...and now features a 2GB GDDR5 NVIDIA GeForce GTX 485M GPU
The price has jumped up around $300 too...
Will this card be compatible with CS5? Does anyone know anything about this card?
Am I better of going with the 460? Or do I see if I can still get a 470? Or is it worth making the jump up to this 485M (assuming it is a jump up!)?
I would opt for the 460. The early results of the mobile version are not altogether good. OTOH, there is only a small difference between the 460 and the 470 and the 460 is not as loud as the 470 and consumes much less power and - not to be neglected - will save you some money.
Thanks for that Harm...there certainly is a fair price saving...
Does the 460 work ok with CS5 Mercury engine? I need to 'hack' it...is that right?
With prices falling on higher-end components, there are some "bargains" from Sager. I'm spec'ing out the new version of my 4+ YO Sager, and going for their top-of-line offerings, just like I did back when. The price of a comparable laptop now is ~ $1000 less than what I paid, and the performance enhancements are great, so it's more (and updated) for less. A pleasant surprise to me!
The Sagers are still not "cheap," by any standard, but mine has proved to be a stout performer. Were it not for the 4GB limit on the MoBo, and the now smallish 200GB HDD's, I'd just wipe and install Win7-64, as it runs just fine, and with the limitation of the 17" monitor, edits SD video great, and as quickly as my workstation with much better I/O. Oh, and those large, dual monitors! Had to learn how to close up and dock panels on the laptop. Still have not gotten comfortable with PS, as I had not minimized, or docked a Palette in a decade.
To the OP - good luck, and if your Sager is half as good as mine has been, you will just love it.
I've been following this thread for a possible alternative to a new desktop. What does "hacking" a CS5 Mercury engine to accomodate the 460 card involve?
It pretty much involves editing a text file as I was told by a friend. So you should be fine ha.
As L_F said, it's just a text file edit, and I have to admit that the word "hack" makes it sound a bit sinister.
You need mad notepad skillz to perform the hack.
Thanks, Harm and LF.
Hopefully what needs to be typed is posted somewhere should I go that route.
Ok...I am just about to submit the order....have had geat correspondence from Brett at Xotic Pcs for my Sager..they are also cheaper with shipping than the Sager website itself..am just hoping I can get it built, shipped and through customs to Australia by my fly out date Feb 28.
One last question that concerns me is the sheer size of this machine...it does look massive! (Especially when I'm trying to transport my camera gear on planes with carry on as well.)
This vid...while not a review...does give an idea of the size of these machines...
XoticPC do a much better review at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8ugfPdc2Yg
The impression I get though is you really need the extra size to accomodate all the hd's etc they pack into these things! A smaller 15" laptop may just not cope with CS5.
I also was a little concerned about the word 'hack' for the 460 video card as it certainly does convey 'dark side of the Internet' type behaviour...I certainly want to be very legal in all this! (One link I found here Intercostal on how to do it http://www.indiev.org/?p=308)
Anyway here is my final list of specs...I haven't gone for RAID or SSD for the HD's...added $40 for IC Diamond Thermal Compound..I guess extra cooling benefit might be useful.
Any final comments...before I order and reach that point of no return? Let me know if you think this 'baby' is just going to be too big to take on a plane!
Thanks again Harm, and all the others who have made such valuable contributions in this thread....even though we are all 'strangers' in one sense...it is fantastic to have a great community here that is so helpful...thank you!
Sager NP7280 Custom Laptop (Built on the Clevo X7200)
- 17.3" FHD 16:9 "Glare Type" Super Clear Ultra Bright LED Glossy Screen (1920x1080)-
- Intel® Core™ i7-950 (3.06-3.33GHz) 8MB L3 Cache, 4.8 GT/sec QPI, LGA 1366
- - IC Diamond Thermal Compound - CPU + GPU
- nVidia GeForce GTX 460M 1,536MB PCI-Express GDDR5 DX11
- ~ 12,288MB DDR3 1066MHz Memory (3 SODIMMS)
- ~ 6X Blue-Ray Burner/Reader / 8X DVDRW Super Multi Combo Drive
- ~ 500GB 7200RPM (Serial-ATA II 300 - 16MB Cache)
- ~ 750GB 7200RPM (Serial-ATA II 300 - 16MB Cache)
- ~ 750GB 7200RPM (Serial-ATA II 300 - 16MB Cache)
- HDD Raid Settings - OFF
- - Internal 3-in-1 Card Reader (SD/MMC/MS)
- Internal Bluetooth + EDR
- Intel® Ultimate-N 6300 - 802.11A/B/G/N Wireless LAN Module
- Integrated Digital Video Camera
- Sound Blaster Compatible 3D Audio - Included
- Targus XL Backpack (Fits up to 17")
- ~Windows 7 Professional 64-Bit Installed (64&32-Bit CD Included)
(+ shipping UPS Global Express $219 and then 10% gst + other customs charges to Australia + a bit of worry that hopefully it arrives on time!)
With airlines getting more paranoid each day, it can be beneficial to avoid carry-on luggage as much as possible, specially with cameras.
A friend of mine, who travels quite a lot, solved his problem by getting a large Pelican case and screwing a tripod mounting plate to the bottom of the case. Just attach the camera as if you were mounting it on a tripod and it is rock steady. Pack your other video and audio gear in the same box and you can have it checked in as hold luggage, instead of carry-on. He does this with large cameras, like the Sony PDW-F355 and similar and the Pelican case can handle maltreatment with relative ease. Especially on transit flights this is far easier than carry-on.
Just wanted to provide an update to this thread....I received my Sager 7280 from XOTIC PC...excellent delivery and service...and this machine absolutely flies compared to my old desktop.
The Mercury Playback Engine certainly works well with the 460M video card...(changing the text file to allow it to work was a very simple procedure)
The benchmark results are shown under the name Sager Laptop at http://ppbm5.com/Benchmark5.html
...given that this was a laptop that came in at under $3K US I'm very happy with the result....(not that I am an expert on what the benchmarks figures all mean)..but it seems quite ok.
Sager NP7280 Med 348.0 Med 305.1 Med 128.0 Q1 102.0 Med 105.0 Q1 13.0 Med 126.0 Med 13.0 9.7 X Intel i7 950 3.06 1 4 12 5.03 GTX 460M Win7 64 SATA 500 7,200 SATA 750 7,200 SATA 750 7,200 None
While it is a large laptop...it is not so large that it cannot be transported on an airplane.
Thanks very much Harm and every one else who contributed, I really value having a functional portable workstation...that seems to cope easily so far with HD DSLR footage (something not all laptops can claim).
Greato to hear you are happy with your results! My parts for my desktop will be arriving soon, I hope to share your sentiment on my build