24 Replies Latest reply on Jan 13, 2011 3:26 PM by scottyward2000

    client editable

    mustangdesigner Level 1

      I have a client that wants to maintain portions of their site by uploading their own photos and entering data.  I know there has been a way to do this in the past but I'm not finding it on Adobe's site now.  What is the best way to build a site in DW CS4 (Mac) that has products the client will maintain? I'm thinking of a three column table for the initial view and then a click to further data on another page.

        • 1. Re: client editable
          Nancy OShea Adobe Community Professional & MVP

          I have a client that wants to maintain portions of their site by uploading their own photos and entering data.  I know there has been a way to do this in the past but I'm not finding it on Adobe's site now.

           

          Contribute was offered by Adobe but I don't think it's a viable solution anymore as your client would need to purchase and install additional software on their computer to use it.

           

          Content Management Systems (CMS) come big and small depending on your coding skills and client requirements.

          Cushy CMS might be all you need for this project (watch their video to see how it works).  http://www.cushycms.com

           

          Content Seed -
          Available in ASP, PHP, or  ASP.net
          versions - no database needed. 
          http://contentseed.com/

           

          Power CMS from Web Assist (php/MySql) -

          http://www.webassist.com/php-scripts-and-solutions/powercms/

           

          10+ More CMS mentioned here:
          http://woork.blogspot.com/2008/11/10-free-powerful-content-management.html

           

          And of course there are the Open Source CMS frameworks such as:

           

          WordPress

          Drupal

          Joomla!

           

           

          Nancy O.
          Alt-Web Design & Publishing
          Web | Graphics | Print | Media  Specialists
          http://alt-web.com/
          http://twitter.com/altweb

          • 2. Re: client editable
            mustangdesigner Level 1

            Thanks, Nancy!  CushyCMS looks like it ought to do it!

            • 3. Re: client editable
              Level 4

              mustangdesigner wrote:

               

              CushyCMS looks like it ought to do it!

              CushyCMS = Ads, branding, limitations, or monthly charges? Plus your info is stored on their servers. So when CushyCMS goes belly up and gets soldout or closes down you lose all you data. Hmm.. I think I'd rather develop it myself.

              • 4. Re: client editable
                Nancy OShea Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                So when CushyCMS goes belly up and gets soldout or closes down you lose all you data.

                 

                Wrong. Page edits are stored on the client's server.  If Cushy goes belly up, your client's content WON'T disappear.

                 

                If you want to customize Cushy dashboard, you pay a modest fee.  That doesn't seem unreasonable.   Incidentally, Adobe's Hosted CMS Business Catalyst charges a monthly fee, too.

                 

                 

                 

                 

                Nancy O.
                Alt-Web Design & Publishing
                Web | Graphics | Print | Media  Specialists
                http://alt-web.com/
                http://twitter.com/altweb

                • 5. Re: client editable
                  Level 4
                  Page edits are stored on the client's server.  If Cushy goes belly up, your client's content WON'T disappear.

                  Their page said no programming and no server requirements so was assumed that the data is stored on their servers. Do you use CushyCMS for your clients? Who pays the extra monthly charge for the pro version of Cushy... the clients? Wouldn't you rather have that $$ in your pocket every month instead of the client putting it into Cushy's account?

                   

                  I don't use Cushy since I know how to develop and would not think of paying $300 a year for a CMS when there are many, many free alternatives available besides performing your own content management development which, for a knowledgeable and experienced developer, is not a very difficult task.

                   

                  I suppose if one were not skilled in dynamic development and wanted to pay for a service that was easy to implement and had limitations then Cushy or any other paid CMS would suffice. Personally I would develop the CMS myself and advise others to do so.

                  • 6. Re: client editable
                    Nancy OShea Adobe Community Professional & MVP
                    ...performing your own content management development which, for a knowledgeable and experienced developer, is not a very difficult task.

                     

                    Agreed.  As you well know, this is a General Discussion Forum.  So the skill-set here varies widely from rank beginner to expert coder.   The DW Application Development Forum is where the Dynamic discussions take place.  And if the OP had posted his questions there, my answers might have been quite different.

                     

                     

                     

                    Nancy O.
                    Alt-Web Design & Publishing
                    Web | Graphics | Print | Media  Specialists
                    http://alt-web.com/
                    http://twitter.com/altweb

                    • 7. Re: client editable
                      JulesN Level 2

                      Wow, what a fantastic lead on that CushyCMS!  I have a client that wants to update menus for a restaurant and doesn't want to pay for Contibute!  Thanks for that, Nancy!

                       

                      Jules

                      • 8. Re: client editable
                        Nancy OShea Adobe Community Professional & MVP
                        Thanks for that, Nancy!

                         

                        You're welcome Jules.

                         

                        N.

                        • 9. Re: client editable
                          mustangdesigner Level 1

                          Nancy is correct--I am a bit of a novice, not a true code designer.  Cushy looks great but the ads do concern me and a fee is not going to be appealing to the client.  Are there any other options, perhaps with a one-time fee, that is easy to use but won't include ads?  This is a professional site so ads will not be appropriate.

                          • 10. Re: client editable
                            MurraySummers Level 8

                            Check the link Nancy posted to ContentSeed....

                            • 11. Re: client editable
                              JulesN Level 2

                              That's funny, I just did a test run, and I don't SEE any ads.  Is there something I don't know about?

                               

                               

                              Oh, it's in the content management, itself.  Small and descreet, I have to say.  The ONLY thing I'm leery about, is having to dish out ftp info.  Am I inviting trouble?

                               

                              Nancy, have you been using this cms?  Have you had any issues?

                               

                              Message was edited by: JulesN

                              • 12. Re: client editable
                                mustangdesigner Level 1

                                I have similar concerns about handing out ftp info.

                                 

                                I have no experience with PHP or ASP but Cottonseed looks interesting.  I am leaning toward the PHP version of Cottonseed--mostly because I at least have a couple of reference manuals for that.  Murray, which would you recommend for  DW CS3 when I will generally use html? I do like the low one-time fee without ads or monthly charges.

                                • 13. Re: client editable
                                  Nancy OShea Adobe Community Professional & MVP
                                  The ONLY thing I'm leery about, is having to dish out ftp info.  Am I inviting trouble?

                                   

                                  I don't think so.  I've had a Cushy demo on my web site for several years now and haven't had any problems with it.

                                  That said, I prefer to keep Cushy accessible pages in a sub-folder separate from other content.

                                   

                                  Cushy CMS Tutorial/Demo:

                                  http://alt-web.com/Tutorials/CUSHYCMS/

                                   

                                   

                                   

                                  Nancy O.
                                  Alt-Web Design & Publishing
                                  Web | Graphics | Print | Media  Specialists
                                  http://alt-web.com/
                                  http://twitter.com/altweb

                                  • 14. Re: client editable
                                    Nancy OShea Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                    First, find out which server-side programming languages your client's web server supports.  This will determine which version of Content Seed you should purchase.  For the most part, php = linux servers, asp = windows servers.

                                     

                                     

                                     

                                    Nancy O.

                                    Alt-Web Design & Publishing

                                    Web | Graphics | Print | Media  Specialists

                                    http://alt-web.com/

                                    http://twitter.com/altweb

                                    • 15. Re: client editable
                                      Nancy OShea Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                      This is a professional site so ads will not be appropriate.

                                       

                                      Just to clarify, the only ads are in the Cushy CMS site (free version).

                                      Your client's pages won't contain any ads unles YOU put them there.

                                       


                                      Nancy O.

                                      • 16. Re: client editable
                                        mustangdesigner Level 1

                                        Great!  (So what was shocker talking about ads?)  Anything else I should know about Cushy?  The demo looked like you just add minor code to your own design but the checklist on their site looks like you can only personalize your site with the pro version.  I need this page(s) to look like the rest of the site it is a part of--banner, color scheme, etc.

                                        • 17. Re: client editable
                                          mustangdesigner Level 1

                                          Also, what ever happened to Contribute?

                                          • 18. Re: client editable
                                            JulesN Level 2

                                            They mean to personalize the look of the cms interface so that your clients can't tell it's Cush-based!  Your site WILL keep on looking the same.  I've tried it, and it works brilliantly.  I hope Cushy has had lots of business from all these posts!  LOL

                                            • 19. Re: client editable
                                              JulesN Level 2

                                              Contribute is still an option!

                                               

                                              http://www.adobe.com/contribute

                                              • 20. Re: client editable
                                                Nancy OShea Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                mustangdesigner wrote:

                                                 

                                                Great!  (So what was shocker talking about ads?)

                                                 

                                                [Personal comment deleted by moderator.]   He thinks everybody should hard code their own stuff, thus finds fault with almost every 3rd party solution I post in this forum.  

                                                 

                                                the checklist on their site looks like you can only personalize your site with the pro version.

                                                 

                                                Not true.  Your site is your site.  You build it as you normally would and then insert a bit of cushy cms code into page regions that the client will be allowed to edit.  For example, you can allow client to edit just one or 2 sections on a page (recommended) or the entire page (not recommended for obvious reasons).

                                                 

                                                As Jules said, the customization features in the PRO version are so you can brand the CMS dashboard with your own logo, add styles to the on-line editor, etc...

                                                 

                                                I need this page(s) to look like the rest of the site it is a part of--banner, color scheme, etc.

                                                 

                                                And it will.  There's nothing different about Cushy CMS editable pages except that they are um... editable on-line.


                                                My advice is to test CUSHY CMS on your own and give your client a chance to play with it.  If everyone is satisfied, you've got a winner.  If not, then look at alternatives found in my first reply.

                                                 

                                                 

                                                Best of luck on your project,

                                                 

                                                 

                                                Nancy O.
                                                Alt-Web Design & Publishing
                                                Web | Graphics | Print | Media  Specialists
                                                http://alt-web.com/
                                                http://twitter.com/altweb

                                                • 21. Re: client editable
                                                  JulesN Level 2
                                                  He thinks everybody should hard code their own stuff, thus finds fault with almost every 3rd party solution I post in this forum.  

                                                   

                                                  I have a friend who is a well seasoned and very "well off" computer programmer, whom I asked when I started the Web design business, what her thoughts on using 3rd party "solutions" were, and her take on it was "why reinvent the wheel?".  If it's been done, and at a reasonable cost, why waste time, redoing?

                                                   

                                                  ...just my two cents on that topic...

                                                  • 22. Re: client editable
                                                    Level 4
                                                    ...just my two cents on that topic...

                                                    It's approx $300/yr. as mentioned, not $.02

                                                     

                                                    why reinvent the wheel?

                                                     

                                                    To develop a CMS for adding/editing content would take a few hours at most and then you're done. When you perform your own developments you're not stuck with 3rd party limitations or ad branding as mentioned. Dreamweaver has built in server behaviors to make it easy. Development code is the original wheel, 3rd party solutions are the reinvention of the wheel. I agree... why use the reinvention. It seems ridiculous to me to PAY to use an unbranded, limited 3rd party app that will eventually close shop someday and leave you high and dry for something that can very easily be developed yourself.

                                                     

                                                    As mentioned earlier, who pays for the 3rd party CMS? The client. Wouldn't you rather have that money in your pocket? If not then all you'll have is $.02. therefore I'd hold onto it instead of offering it in a forum.

                                                     

                                                    The additional problem with using 3rd party services is that you've "found a solution that works for you". As a result you don't attempt to learn the underlying code that's used to develop features. So when additional features are requested by the client you're restricted to the limitations of the 3rd party service whereas with hard code you have the limitless ability of your knowledge and skills to perform the requested updates.

                                                     

                                                    There are some 3rd party apps that are worth using, like cartweaver, that will same eons of time in development. The code is accessible so you can expand upon it and it's a one time charge for the code, not a monthly fee for unbranded service. So I'm not against all 3rd party services. You just have to know the pros and cons of all. I mentioned the unmentioned cons of services someone else recommend. Call it trolling if you will. I consider it helpful. If someone inquired on how to develop it themselves and, you know, actually wanted to learn something then I probably would of explained the steps involved.

                                                     

                                                    Personally I'm trilled that you and nancy advocate the use of 3rd party apps like cushy. Practices like that keep giving me work when clients that are fed up paying unreasonable monthly fees for 3rd party apps decide to hire me to fix your mistakes. So hey, keep it up!

                                                    • 23. Re: client editable
                                                      mustangdesigner Level 1

                                                      Thanks for the input shocker but ultimately I don't have hours to learn to write the code so reguardless of which wheel came first I'm going to check out cushy. Thanks for the advice, Nancy, and the confirmation, Jules.  I'm looking forward to trying it out!  I'll let you know how it goes!

                                                      • 24. Re: client editable
                                                        scottyward2000

                                                        In addition to CushyCMS, you could check out designhamster.com. (Disclaimer: I work for designhamster.com.  It's a new CMS solution that we've just launched.)

                                                         

                                                        It's similar to CushyCMS in that you just need to add a class="EDIT" to any div to make it editable by the client.  It's different in that we provide the hosting as well.

                                                         

                                                        Let me know you you all think!  Very interested in your feedback.

                                                         

                                                        Scotty