16 Replies Latest reply on Apr 9, 2012 7:22 PM by Tosani19

    Mind Looking At My Build?

    literally_figurative Level 1

      First, some idea of my usage: I currently use C2D laptops to edit. I am a student that wants a good machine to allow me to do freelance work and work on my own projects, focusing on the content and not having to deal with....slow everything.


      I deal with DV, standard definition, so I know my build will handle that with ease. I do intend to do some HD stuff, again, likely HDV, and my intention is to get maybe a 5D to do video work. I'm looking to do music videos, so I'll be working with AE. I've seen online what the Mercury engine does and I would really like to handle HD footage from DSLRs and be able to scrub through them as though they were SD clips, so I'm looking to do HD editing and have a smooth experience. I'll also be doing some gaming, but I guess that is really secondary. Any advice on this build would be great, and I still need a decent monitor ~$300 if anyone could suggest!



      EVGA GeForce GTX470 1280 MB DDR5 PCI-Express 2.0 Graphics Card 012-P3-1470-AR

      Intel Core i7 950 3.06GHz 8M L3 Cache LGA1366 Desktop Processor

      Cooler Master RR-B10-212P-G1 Hyper 212 Plus 775/1156/1366/AMD/AM2/AM3 Universal Direct Contact Heat-Pipe 120mm Fan CPU Cooler

      Patriot Viper II Sector 7 Edition DDR3 12 GB (3 x 4 GB) PC3-12800 1600MHz 8-9-8-24 for Intel Core i7 PV7312G1600LLK

      Cooler Master RC-922M-KKN1-GP HAF 922M ATX Mid Tower Case (Black)

      OCZ OCZ600MXSP ModXStream Pro 600 Watt Power Supply

      Western Digital Caviar Black 1 TB Desktop Hard Drive (WD1002FAEX)

      Western Digital 2 TB Caviar Black SATA 7200 RPM 64 MB Cache Bulk/OEM Desktop Hard Drive WD2001FASS

      Western Digital 2 TB Caviar Black SATA 7200 RPM 64 MB Cache Bulk/OEM Desktop Hard Drive WD2001FASS

      Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit System Builder 1pk

      Lite-On LightScribe 24X SATA DVD+/-RW Dual Layer Drive IHAS424-98 - Retail (Black)

      Asus LGA 1366 Intel X58 Extreme Reliability and Durability ATX Motherboard Sabertooth X58


        • 1. Re: Mind Looking At My Build?
          Harm Millaard Level 7

          Apart from the mid tower, which I would exchange for a big tower, like the HAF 932, everything looks dandy. You have done your homework.


          One point of criticism: Your PSU at 600 W is rather weak. I would go for at least a 750 W or possibly a 850 W model.

          • 2. Re: Mind Looking At My Build?
            literally_figurative Level 1

            Thank you! I still have much more homework to do. I was just reading a thread of yours and may have to use 1 drive just for export and 1 as source. I also need to find a good IPS monitor, and an a bit befuddled when it comes to exporting re: codecs and the web, etc. Glad I have the HSoA - Ham Stamp of Approval!

            • 3. Re: Mind Looking At My Build?
              Harm Millaard Level 7

              Monitor, I forgot to mention that in my previous post:


              Have a look at the Samsung SyncMaster F2380 PVA screen. Much better than a TN screen, not quite up to IPS, but the price is right.

              • 4. Re: Mind Looking At My Build?
                the_wine_snob Level 9

                I agree with Harm about the case. I got talked into a very nice, cool (thermally) mid-tower last time, and regretted that. Full-tower, like I wanted, next time.


                On a system not that much different than yours (older CPU, but more HDD's and a Quadro FX 4500) I went with a 1000W PSU, and will probably be going with 1200W for the new build. Probably overkill, but then I came from an engineering background, where if an 8" WF beam would just do the job, a 10" WF beam would be better...


                Looks good,



                • 5. Re: Mind Looking At My Build?
                  literally_figurative Level 1

                  I was unsure about PSU, so 750 it is. I'm guessing Corsair is a safe bet? Will also try to do the case upgrade.Will do some research on the syncmaster. I'd like to get an accurate representation of colour.


                  Also, has anyone dealt with DSLR footage/1080 footage on similar specs? Am I going to get that realtime buttery goodness? What about avg time rendering say a 10 min clip @1080 down to SD size? Sadly unable to play around with any hardware on my own so I have no concept of times.


                  edit: HARM, not Ham



                  Thanks for the input, Bill! Mind if I ask what sort of footage or projects you do and are able to handle?

                  • 6. Re: Mind Looking At My Build?
                    Harm Millaard Level 7



                    Take your pick


                    Home Solutions of America, http://www.bnet.com/company/home+solutions+of+america+inc.


                    Hospital Salaried Officers Association, http://www.health.wa.gov.au/services/detail.cfm?Unit_ID=2284




                    Harm's Stamp of Approval 


                    To get an idea where your machine will come out in the PPBM5 Benchmark pay special attention to Crist and MadDog OC/PC, although his system is heavily overclocked. A score around 270 seconds certainly seems likely, around Q3/Med.

                    • 7. Re: Mind Looking At My Build?
                      Jim_Simon Level 9

                      If you want to work in HD, you might also swap out the DVD burner for a Blu-ray burner.

                      • 8. Re: Mind Looking At My Build?
                        Steve Ch

                        A couple of points if I may to make the most of your spend....


                        Firstly please make sure your understand the scalability restrictions (primarily memory) from going with the Home Premium Windows - as a student, you should get discount so no real need to compromise here (as RAM is currently at a record low price you could but or at least provide for 24GB depending on which other memory-hungry CS5 packages you use!).


                        Second, the 950 (and 920/930) has an almost-guaranteed overclock to 4.0Ghz, matching up with your memory nicely at 1528 if you choose 21x 191 or so without taking risks with voltages or heat (12GB at full rated speed sometimes gets a little temperamental regarding QPI volts so a little under 1600 is no bad thing). I have found that going above 4.0Ghz, each 5% tends to "cost" a disproportionate increase in volts and heat.


                        Similarly, the GTX470 has a comfortable 20% free (except for heat) overclock potential (using MSI afterburner plus VERY careful testing for artifacts).


                        I would perform both of these (free) clocks given your desire for buttery HD performance in the CPU-intensive and MPE-assisted steps of your workflow.


                        Please also allow some thought and budget for effective & quiet case cooling to deal with the CPU and graphics card heat:


                        Install the PSU "outside" the case - i.e. at the bottom with its intake facing down and exhausing out the back so its not "in" the case airflow.


                        Add fans (good quality and with filters on the intake ones) taking air in at the front/bottom (past the disks) and exhausting at the top/back. Consider adding side fan(s) pointed at the graphics card and motherboard bridges/RAM. These side fans can cyt 10 degress C or more off the temp of these components adding to stability and component life.


                        My own overclocked 930-on-Asus and 470 setup uses fractal fans on the case (about £5 each/1Watt or so) and Gentle Typhoon fans on the CPU cooler - almost silent and keeps both the (overclocked) graphics and (overclocked) CPU at about 70 degress C when at 100% busy.


                        Finally budget for backup.....my case has Esata on the front panel so quick backup to external drives, used in rotation and placed in a firesafe is my ritual.....your freelance income will be based on reputation so don't lose it along with your work.



                        • 9. Re: Mind Looking At My Build?
                          Harm Millaard Level 7

                          Steve's remark made me aware that I overlooked one thing.


                          You have wisely decided to go for 3 x 4 GB memory, leaving room for expansion to 24 GB at a later date. However Win7 Home Premium does not support more than 16 GB max. You need Win7 Pro for 24 GB support. Better change this OS to the Pro version before you start installing it.

                          • 10. Re: Mind Looking At My Build?
                            literally_figurative Level 1

                            Ah right, I was unaware of that restriction on home premium. I have been used to the notion that Home Premium had everything I really needed. Not aymore I suppose! I'm not in the US so no student discount for me, I will just go the OEM route in buying Win7.


                            I'm sorry, but I am lost with "21x 191" - I have been using laptops for the past 4+ years and I am not too well versed in the hardware. Also, I do not really plan to overclock since I expect moving from laptops to desktops, especially this sort of equipment, it will be PLENTY boost for me to notice. That said, if the overclocking is something STABLE and not going to require watercooling and just fans, as well as it is easy to do, I can surely factor this in. What really goes in to OC'ing to 4 GHz?


                            Again lost with MSI aferburner. Do you mean your 470 is from MSI or is that a cooler? Sorry for my ignorance.


                            I'm looking to get the HAF case Harm mentioned. That's what I was going with initially but went down to the mid case because not being in the US I was taking shipping into account. Is there a specific brand I should really be looking at? The HAF has plenty places for fans I read, but I would love to get feedback from people in the field on cases to get. I haven't really looked too much into it, so I have yet to even find out if it offers all the ports in the front as opposed to the back as I know cases like to do.


                            Also, silly question, but Firewire ports would usually be on your mobo, or would I have to get a separate card? I deal with a lot of 4 pin F/W cameras, but I am not sure if there are 4-pin to 8-pin cables I can buy or if I need to have a specific 4 pin and 8 pin F/W port on my machine.


                            Esata on front to an external - I got you. What exactly are you backing up? Everything? Just exports? Are you doing it manually or with RAID? I think I made the decision that just getting into things I may not need RAID, and will just use 1TB for system/programs and 2 2TB drives, one for source files, one for exporting to. Another suggestion was RAID the 2 2TB to make one big 4TB.


                            Though it may not seem that way, I am looking at budget.



                            As for Blu-ray, I think any HD I will be doing will go on the web, everything else will be output from HD to SD, so I can survive with a DVD burner for now, though maybe the BD burner might be prudent to back up to those high capacity discs?


                            Appreciate the feedback guys. At least I have the hardware mostly down, but dealing with stuff like the firewire ports, etc, and the whole nitty gritty, can make my head spin and overwhelm at times.

                            • 11. Re: Mind Looking At My Build?
                              Jay Knobbe Level 1

                              I just completed my build using the CM 932 HAF-X case and was pleasantly surprised at how quiet it is with all the fans running. The case is very well built but the manual is worthless if your a NOOB at building, like me.

                              • 12. Re: Mind Looking At My Build?
                                literally_figurative Level 1

                                Is that case a full? How do you like port placement?

                                • 13. Re: Mind Looking At My Build?
                                  Jay Knobbe Level 1

                                  It is a full case. It stands 25" tall with the casters installed, which gives the PSU some breathing room out the bottom. Great airflow. Port placement is fine. This case is very well built, but I don't have experience with other cases like this. I do like the black interior and the fact I can organize and hide the cables. Finished assembly looks neat and tidy.


                                  I have the same CPU cooler as you listed, but with an additional CM fan for a push / pull set up. Probably overkill for me. Also using the same GTX 470 from EVGA. Works fine. not noisy.


                                  This is one of Harms favorite tools...




                                  Plug in your info and see what it recommends for a PSU.


                                  I have a total of 7 HD's, 470 GTX, 5 fans, etc and I needed a 1000w PSU

                                  • 14. Re: Mind Looking At My Build?
                                    literally_figurative Level 1

                                    Okay, so there may be a slight change in my plans. Taking the shipping into

                                    account, I think it might be more prudent to have a system built with

                                    everything in it as that will help with shipping cost by volume. Any

                                    suggestions for where might be best to do this? Just exploring options right

                                    now. Currently looking at http://www.digitalstormonline.com to do the same

                                    configuration mentioned in original post.

                                    • 16. Re: Mind Looking At My Build?

                                      I notice that hard drives, particularly internal hard drives are a lot more expensive than they were 1-2 years ago; does anyone know why? http://luloot.com