10 Replies Latest reply: Jan 29, 2011 1:07 PM by sirron852 RSS

    Bluray subpicture limitations

    Andy Bay Community Member

      I tried to google around for this but didn't find anything. Does maybe someone here know if Bluray discs still have the same limitations in their subpicture highlights than old dvds? In other words, is antialiased highlight graphics still a no-no in the Bluray world?

        • 1. Re: Bluray subpicture limitations
          Mylenium CommunityMVP

          No. BD menues support proper 8bit transparencies.

           

          Mylenium

          • 2. Re: Bluray subpicture limitations
            Bill Hunt CommunityMVP

            The link in this ARTICLE might prove a useful resource for info on the full specs. of BD, as Jim Taylor has updated both his book and this site to include the full parameters of BD.

             

            Good luck, and hope that it helps,

             

            Hunt

            • 3. Re: Bluray subpicture limitations
              Andy Bay Community Member

              Thanks guys, that's some good news!

               

              Is Encore able to handle the better quality subpictures too when authoring in Bluray mode?

              • 4. Re: Bluray subpicture limitations
                Bill Hunt CommunityMVP

                Andy,

                 

                I could be wrong on this, so hope that someone corrects me, but BD, or DVD, I believe that the 2-bit color (either ON, or OFF) with one set Transparency, is going to be the same limitation with Sub-picture Highlights. I do not think that has changed, but am ready to stand corrected and learn something from your question.

                 

                Good luck,

                 

                Hunt

                • 5. Re: Bluray subpicture limitations
                  Andy Bay Community Member

                  I have been reading a lot about Bluray during the last weeks and I'm amazed: Bluray really seems like the promised land for DVD-authoring.

                   

                  The biggest potential is that every Bluray player comes equipped with the ability to actually handle java commands. This is called BD-J technology and it makes all sorts of coolness possible like creating interactive Bluray games for example. These kind of titles have already been made too, but the software for that is VERY expensive (tens of thousands).

                   

                  The potential is great. Let's hope Adobe is going to create tools for us in order to unleash that potential!

                  • 6. Re: Bluray subpicture limitations
                    Larry Applegate Community Member

                    Encore applies almost all of its DVD limitations to Blu-ray, just as if it were a DVD, not a BD. So your menu highlights cannot cannot be like a real BD authoring application produces. Plus their navigation is full of bugs and they never fix them. There has never been an update release to Encore CS5 since its release in April 2009, even though they were aware of bugs that had been fixed in test releases.

                     

                    BD-J is not supported by Encore, but that should not be a problem since HDMV, or "Movie Mode" is much more powerful than DVD, and can do almost everything that you see in commercial releases today, including games. For example, take a look at "Ice Age Meltdown", which is entirely HDMV, no Java.

                     

                    In addition to restricting subpicture highlights to 2 bits instead of the spec 8 bits, Encore also does not make use of button groups or button in-effects and out-effects. Button groups allow you to show different states of a button, such as a check mark to show the currently selected audio stream. However Encore does not give you any scripting ability to keep track of things in any case. Button effects are a very simple way to do button animations such as you might do with Motion or AfterEffects, but without having to deal with the background motion menu since menus are an entirely independent layer in Blu-ray.

                     

                    The list goes on and on. Oh, and motion menu backgrounds in Encore are always re-transcoded to MPEG-2, even if you had created a lovely H-264 version.

                     

                    Unfortunately the choices for independent authors that are not also independently rich are few. NetBlender DoStudio is "only" $3k for the most basic version. For other solutions, you will need to learn how to program in the movie mode command language. It is actually not as difficult as it may sound, but it requires a certain mind set and persistence.

                     

                    For PC users, you might take a look at DVDLogic's new application EasyBD, and its ongoing app IGEditor, which was developed to work with DoStudio and Scenarist, but when combined with EasyBD can be a stand-alone solution.

                     

                    For Mac users, there is nothing. We are working on BluStreak Tracer, which is designed to work with Encore projects, but we cannot give a promised release date.

                     

                    Regards,

                     

                    Larry Applegate

                    Rivergate Software, Inc.

                    • 7. Re: Bluray subpicture limitations
                      Jon Geddes Community Member

                      Larry couldn't have said it better, and his comments reflect the consensus of all the Encore experts in the community that I speak with.

                       

                      Everyone is demanding that these issues with Encore be fixed, and Adobe has failed to do so. If they don't fix the problems, they leave the door open for competitors to swoop in and take over the market, which is about to happen soon, as other capable authoring applications are beginning to emerge.

                      • 8. Re: Bluray subpicture limitations
                        sirron852

                        OK so basically this thread is saying that the BLU-RAY menu will look worse than your DVD menu made from Encore.

                         

                        I just made a blu-ray disc and I can barley read the text which are buttons to the videos....

                         

                         

                        right??

                        • 9. Re: Bluray subpicture limitations
                          Jon Geddes Community Member

                          sirron852 wrote:

                           

                          OK so basically this thread is saying that the BLU-RAY menu will look worse than your DVD menu made from Encore.

                           

                          I just made a blu-ray disc and I can barley read the text which are buttons to the videos....

                           

                           

                          right??

                           

                          That is incorrect. We are saying that Encore limits some of the Blu-ray authoring capabilities. The Blu-ray format allows for much more advanced features such as Java, button transitions, button sounds, animated buttons, and much much more that Encore does not allow you to do. Your Encore Blu-ray will still look much better than a DVD, but you can't even come close to taking advantage of the full potential of Blu-ray by using Encore.

                          • 10. Re: Bluray subpicture limitations
                            sirron852 Community Member

                            ahhh gotcha

                             

                            i am having menu quality issues.. thought this was it.

                             

                            haha

                             

                             

                            oops