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    Advice on new Sandy Bridge build

    tipul01

      Hello and a Happy and recession-free New Year,

       

      My name is Sebastian Plamadeala.

       

      I apolagise for beeing to pushy as of asking your opinion about this system build intended for intensive After Effects work and perhaps EX1 editing with Premiere Pro. It is targeted as being an all-rounder. I am about to graduate UNATC, a Film and Motion Graphics School in Romania, so it is a jupstart in freelance work, sort to speak. The budget is clearly as low as possible, around 2000 or less Euros.

       

      I have been reading alot about the Quadro series how they outperform or have different drivers than gtx series and it has been quite a mindblower, and i am not sure wich way to really go for After effects and Premiere Pro HD editing.

       

      The P67 platform does have its bandwidth drawbacks, i would go for the 1366 but i understand that it will live until late this year, and so the 1155 seems like a logical step to make for this investment.

       

      The mainboard supports 32 gb ram, thats why i searched for 8 gb DDR3s as to have room for expansion after some time when budget permits.

       

      The two Barracuda drives act as the main process HDD, scratchdisk, rendering.

       

      The WD drive will be storage

       

       

      The SSD will be OS and programs.

       

      Thank you for time,

      Sebastian

       

       

       

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        • 1. Re: Advice on new Sandy Bridge build
          Harm Millaard Level 7

          Who is your supplier? The prices are very optimistic IMO. Memory for instance is around 50% more expensive over here.

           

          Don't you need a PSU?

          • 2. Re: Advice on new Sandy Bridge build
            ECBowen Most Valuable Participant

            http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/configurator_new/PartsInfo.asp?root=us&LinkBack=http://www .valueram.com&ktcpartno=KVR1333D3Q8R9S/8G

             

            Those are Registered Dimms. You might want to make sure that board supports Registered Dimms before you get them btw.

             

            This is from ASUS's website: 4 x DIMM, Max. 32 GB, DDR3 2200(O.C.)*/2133(O.C.)/1866(O.C.)/1600/1333/1066 Non-ECC,Un-buffered Memory
            Dual Channel memory architecture

             

            Eric

            ADK

            • 3. Re: Advice on new Sandy Bridge build
              Bill Gehrke Adobe Community Professional & MVP

              Eric,

               

              I have been meaning to ask that memory question.

               

              Does anyone make 8 GB non-ECC unbuffered memory modules?   I have looked at the Gigabyte GA-P67A-UD7 which has multiple PCIe x16 slots and they do say it will take 32 GB but their Qualified Memory List does not show any.

              • 4. Re: Advice on new Sandy Bridge build
                Bill Gehrke Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                Sebastian

                 

                Personally if I were to configure an i7-2600K based system I would get a GTX 580 instead of the Quadro 4000.  The GTX has twice as many CUDA cores and a wider memory interface for less money (admittedly the GTX does have a little less video RAM but that does not seem significant).  Also I would drop the OS SSD drive and go for a SAMSUNG Spinpoint F4 HD322GJ/U 320GB 7200 RPM for much less and either save the money or add to more important areas..

                • 5. Re: Advice on new Sandy Bridge build
                  ECBowen Most Valuable Participant

                  Honestly Bill, I have not seen any. Our purchaser was suppose to get pricing from Mushkin. I will email them and see if they have pricing yet.

                   

                  Eric

                  ADK

                  • 6. Re: Advice on new Sandy Bridge build
                    Harm Millaard Level 7

                    Bill,

                     

                    The only DDR3-1333 8 GB memory sticks I can find are ECC. There are no 1600+ sticks at all. At least I have not found them yet. Maybe Eric knows more.

                    • 7. Re: Advice on new Sandy Bridge build
                      ECBowen Most Valuable Participant

                      Mushkin does not have 8GB unbuffered sticks yet. I am not seeing any available.

                       

                      Eric

                      ADK

                      • 8. Re: Advice on new Sandy Bridge build
                        tipul01 Level 1

                        Hello,

                         

                        Thank you for your answers.

                         

                        Indeed, the PSU will be a Corsair HX 850W, the one with the blue label.

                         

                        Supplier is www.computeruniverse.net, from Germany.It is about 10-20% cheaper than in my country, and it transports internationally. Prices are excluding VAT, becuase i have a friend that has a company and i will buy it through him, as so he gets a VAT refund at the end of the fiscal trimester. I would get them from Amazon.com, but the duties for imported USA products in Europe + transport makes it about the same if you buy from Europe, less the risk of overseas transport and delivery time.

                         

                        Thank you for the EEC remark, i would not have noticed the ASUS does not support EEC memory. I do however find it illogical for p67 mainbords to support 32 gbr am when the maximum you can put in them is 4 sticks of 4 gb ram maximum. If i make an investment now, with 16 gb (4x4GB), and when 8 gb sticks do come out, i have to buy the whole 32 gb for an incredible price.... Now that's buisness....

                         


                        The alternative of an i7 950 architecture seemed untill december my best bet, but if it will be dead untill the end of the year, i am not so sure its such a good ideea now.

                         

                        Plus, am i missing or overlooking an aspect regarding its performance with after effects?

                         

                         

                         

                        Thank you,

                        Sebastian Plamadeala

                        • 9. Re: Advice on new Sandy Bridge build
                          Harm Millaard Level 7

                          The current crop of Sandy Bridge has a life time expectancy of one year too.

                           

                          Who would want a 4 core system with max 16 GB dual channel memory and only 20 PCI-e 2.0 lanes, when Sandy Bridge E offers 8 cores (16 with HT) with 32 GB quad channel memory and 40 PCI-e 3.0 lanes. It will blow away any current CPU/system.

                           

                          Double the cores, double the memory, double the PCI-e lanes, add 3.0 support instead of 2.0 and it is a no-brainer.

                          • 10. Re: Advice on new Sandy Bridge build
                            Scott Chichelli Level 3

                            double the price and double the wait...

                            no point in talking about a product that is 9-11 months away Harm...

                            if it were 30-60 days you would have a point...

                             

                            at present moment nothing beats a 2600k other than a very expensive Xeon... and we are about to find out by how little...

                             

                            and there will be 32Gig ram available very soon...

                            Scott

                            ADK

                            • 11. Re: Advice on new Sandy Bridge build
                              Harm Millaard Level 7

                              Better consult Eric on the memory. There is NO 8 GB DDR3 stick available, nor has any manufacturer accounced them. Maybe in 10-11 months time at a huge price... but then the SB-E is available and can use up to 64 GB.

                               

                              at present moment nothing beats a 2600k other than a very expensive Xeon... and we are about to find out by how little...

                               

                              Scott, you better stop this charade, since you are losing your credibility. I have shown you the figures that can't be disputed. They were your own results that do not compare favorably to the i7-920/950 and that are way worse that 980's.

                               

                              All your tests show lesser performance than an i7-920 at 3.7 with only 12 GB, where you ought to know that the 16 GB you tested with gives much better results and still the 2600K is slower, despite massive overclocking.

                              • 12. Re: Advice on new Sandy Bridge build
                                Scott Chichelli Level 3

                                Harm,

                                how many times are we going to go here

                                 

                                you are the one debating your own benchmarks..

                                1 your benchmarks are drive favorable moe than anything.

                                my benchmarks are closer to real world testing.

                                 

                                but lets use your benchmarks anyway.. so to quote my post you never answered as there is no answer..

                                 

                                common sense Harm,

                                 

                                our not oced Sandy bridge ranked 13th beating any stock processor. (for some reason you have it listed as OCed)

                                 

                                remove the absurdly overpriced Xeons that makes it 8th

                                 

                                remove every OCed processor its now #1.

                                 

                                and its #1 without the absurd 8-12 drive raid arrays... which most people have no need for.

                                 

                                 

                                 

                                for the average user your recommendation like mine was the 950 stock 950 which ranks 40th is severely beat by the 2600 not oced..

                                 

                                 

                                 

                                so your replacement recommendation should be as mine is, the 2600 over the 950 all day long..

                                 

                                 

                                 

                                anything less you are arguing with your own benchmark?

                                 

                                 

                                 

                                but just for giggles i am having Eric resubmit with an SSD OS and a 8 drive raid the OCed to 4.7GHz system.

                                 

                                 

                                 

                                 

                                 

                                Scott

                                 

                                ADK

                                • 13. Re: Advice on new Sandy Bridge build
                                  Harm Millaard Level 7
                                  remove the absurdly overpriced Xeons that makes it 8th

                                   

                                  You mean the ADK Juggenaut?

                                  • 14. Re: Advice on new Sandy Bridge build
                                    Scott Chichelli Level 3

                                    yes absolutely!

                                    again for most users no one needs a xeon system or a 8-12 drive raid array.

                                    yes there are people who do but they are in the 5-10% bracket

                                    i have proved over and over that for Xdcam or AVCHD etc anything past a 2 set drive 0 is a waste of money

                                    they dont finish any faster. it becomes more about CPU and and video card. with CPU being the most.

                                     

                                    Harm,

                                    you cant argue with your own benchmarks..

                                    remove the xeons

                                    remove the OCed systems

                                    the 2600 STOCK becomes # 1

                                    remove the Xeons and the OCed 2600K is #5 <--- --

                                    each of those above the OCed 2600k has crazy drive set ups and are oced beyond what i call stable other than our 4GHz 980 which is pretty much even with the 2600

                                    a 980x @ 4ghz is dead even with the 2600K @ 4.7GHz.  it takes the high end Xeons or past 4GHz 980x to beat it

                                    nowhere to be found until 40th is a stock 950...

                                     

                                    so who is losing creditability here

                                    oh and lastly i make more money on the X58 system so why would i be so adamant about the 2600?

                                    i always post the facts regardless.

                                     

                                    and an FYI its proving the same on the audio side..

                                    http://www.adkproaudio.com/benchmarks.cfm

                                     

                                    2nd test down.. dead even with a 980x..

                                     

                                    Scott

                                    ADK

                                    • 15. Re: Advice on new Sandy Bridge build
                                      Scott Chichelli Level 3

                                      and to add to this money wise or sense wise

                                      from my site

                                      everything the same but processor

                                       

                                      2600K @ 4.7

                                      16 gig ram

                                      500G OS

                                      2 sets Raid 0

                                      470

                                      $2868

                                      >>>>>>>>>

                                      908x @ 4GHz

                                      12 gig ram

                                      500G OS

                                      2 sets Raid 0

                                      470

                                      $3798

                                      >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

                                      2x Xeon @ 3.33GHz

                                      12 gig ram

                                      500G OS

                                      2 sets Raid 0

                                      470

                                      $6555

                                       

                                      Hmm i know where i would put my money...

                                       

                                      Harm i love ya but i cant figure out why you are so dead set against the SB when the benchmarks and $s dont lie...

                                       

                                      Scott

                                      • 16. Re: Advice on new Sandy Bridge build
                                        Harm Millaard Level 7

                                        Scott,

                                         

                                        What is your price for:

                                         

                                        i7-950

                                        12 GB ram

                                        500G OS

                                        2 sets Raid 0

                                        470

                                         

                                        and

                                         

                                        i7-950

                                        24 GB ram

                                        500G OS

                                        2 sets Raid 0

                                        470

                                         

                                        FYI, based on today's prices over here, the components mentioned, including mobo, disks and 470, give the following result:

                                         

                                        2600K/16 G : € 1,340

                                        i7-950/12 G : € 1,065

                                        i7-950/24 G : € 1,135

                                         

                                        As you have seen doubling memory from 8 to 16 on the 2600 gives a huge performance gain, you see the same with the i7 going from 12 to 24.

                                         

                                        Take into consideration that card based cameras should not have the media on a raid0 because of the risk of data loss, unless the media are backed up on another disk, but rather on a parity raid, which is impossible with the 2600K, because you can't install a raid controller.

                                         

                                        Those are a couple of reasons that the i7-950/24 has my preference and saves more than € 200, nearly 20%.

                                        • 17. Re: Advice on new Sandy Bridge build
                                          tipul01 Level 1

                                          Thank you for the replies, guys.

                                           

                                          These cpu debates are wonderfull and enlighting.

                                           

                                          My questions still stands, though. Besides the cpu and memory bandwidth from cpu+mainboard, what else should an after effects oriented system have? Quadro 4000, GTX 570? Something else? Editing will be cuts and transitions, possibly colour correction with colorista II or magic bullet looks. But after effects won't need smth else beside cpu and >16gb ram?

                                           

                                          Thank you,

                                          Sebastian

                                          • 18. Re: Advice on new Sandy Bridge build
                                            Harm Millaard Level 7

                                            The Quadro 4000 has the benefit of 10 bit output. The GTX 570 has better specs, more cores, and a lower price. So if you don't need 10 bit output, my nod would go to the 570.

                                             

                                            Memory, get the max that fits on your mobo, with one side note, if your mobo supports more than 48 G, it seems like a waste of money to install even more. But AE uses RAM previews, so the more the better.

                                            • 19. Re: Advice on new Sandy Bridge build
                                              tipul01 Level 1

                                              That's the 500euro difference? The 10 bit output? Even without the SDI output board? They do advertise quite a lot about beeing a proffesional option, i thought and read about its drivers beeing optimised for premiere pro and 3d applications. Something about bandwith or processing driver-limitated capacities for the GTX, those beeing ulocked in the quadro driver.

                                               

                                              Thanks,

                                              Sebastian

                                              • 20. Re: Advice on new Sandy Bridge build
                                                Scott Chichelli Level 3

                                                Hi Harm,

                                                comparing 16gig to 24gig is not right..

                                                12 to 16 is more like it

                                                all other components are the same for either..

                                                boards for both are close. (not commenting past that)  :-)

                                                from newegg

                                                950 $294

                                                2600 $299  so thats a wash.

                                                980x $995

                                                 

                                                Mushkin 16gig $218.00

                                                Mushkin 12gig $199

                                                $19 gets you 4gig more.

                                                 

                                                the 2600 stock absolutely kills the 950 and is right there with the 980x stock

                                                 

                                                so

                                                Sandy Bridge 2600k with 16gig ram is $24 more than a 950 system with 12 gig ram.

                                                for the performance of a $700 more system.

                                                 

                                                fail to see why anyone would be foolish enough to build a 950 system at this point.

                                                if you need an 8-12 gig raid array you belong on a Xeon system.

                                                (before you go off on the raid thing) :-)

                                                now i will comment to this effect.

                                                 

                                                i am going to have Eric create another test like the one we use now for both AVCHD and Red 4k with more layers and effects.

                                                i have a feeling at that point the 6 core 980x might do better, finally puling ahead of the 2600.

                                                 

                                                that kind of work flow is how we determined in the past 980x or Dual Xeons for our recommendation

                                                on what system is best for the client.

                                                 

                                                i also want some animation numbers..

                                                 

                                                as far as memory quantity increase. 5.03 is far less memory dependant than 5 was. each new update reduced the memory requirements.

                                                now again large nasty projects do require more ram  (long play, more layers and effects etc)

                                                but they also belong on a Xeon... with 24-48gig ram..

                                                 

                                                again this is less than 20% of Adobe users and more like 5-10%.

                                                 

                                                Scott

                                                ADK

                                                • 21. Re: Advice on new Sandy Bridge build
                                                  gtacyclist Level 1

                                                  Thanks for the insight Scott. In my opinion, there should be a benchmark for stock setups with no overclocking and no raid (though with 3 to 4 drives). This would be helpful in isolating the performance of the CPU, videocard, and chipset in motherboards when used with Premier Pro and After Effects.

                                                   

                                                  I have been analyzing cpu / motherboard performance for another build. Sandy Bridge does appear to leave the P55 and X58 based CPUs in it's wake except for the 6 core versions. In the current issue of Max PC the 2600k (stock) manage to beat the 980 in a few benchmarks and come close to it in video editing / encoding tasks. This is the reason I am using this on my next build... I am just waiting for more info on which motherboard / RAM combo will give me no issues.

                                                  • 22. Re: Advice on new Sandy Bridge build
                                                    tipul01 Level 1

                                                    So.... GTX does hae its drivers tweked so it does not outpreform quadro, despite the extra cores...?:)

                                                    • 23. Re: Advice on new Sandy Bridge build
                                                      Harm Millaard Level 7

                                                      comparing 16gig to 24gig is not right..

                                                      12 to 16 is more like it

                                                       

                                                      Why compare one at full capacity and the other one at half capacity? Because it suits your arguments better? Either compare both at full capacity or both at half capacity. Are you trying to make a point? I think it is a better comparison to compare both at half capacity, so 8 versus 12 or at full capacity 16 versus 24.

                                                       

                                                      Why would 12 versus 16 be a better comparison than 12 versus 8? Because PR achieves better performance with more than 12 GB memory? You are comparing apples to oranges and you did not answer my questions.

                                                       

                                                      How much is an i7-950/12 and an i7-950/24 with otherwise comparable video and disk setup? Your CPU prices from Newegg are what everyone has, so that is no news.

                                                       

                                                      Both an i7-920 and an i7-950 deliver better BFTB (Bang-for-the-buck) than a 2600K (all three overclocked, with the 2600K at 4.7). The BFTB score of the overclocked 2600K to 3.9 scores even lower than many other systems, ranking around 14-th place per $ with a score of 6.1.

                                                       

                                                      Why are you making such a fuss about overclocking? 4.7 seems like a lot more overclocking than 3.7. First you want to show with your submitted results that overclocking is the way to go, now you say we need to remove all overclocked systems from the list (including all 2600K results, which are all overclocked), and the much encouraged Juggernaut and other Xeons. so what is the value then?

                                                       

                                                      Sorry Scott, I find your arguments hard to follow. It seems you want to push the 2600K for reasons other than purely performance and BFTB.

                                                      • 24. Re: Advice on new Sandy Bridge build
                                                        Harm Millaard Level 7

                                                        In my opinion, there should be a benchmark for stock setups with no overclocking and no raid (though with 3 to 4 drives). This would be helpful in isolating the performance of the CPU, videocard, and chipset in motherboards when used with Premier Pro and After Effects.

                                                         

                                                        I invite you to develop a benchmark and have people change their setup for your benchmark, pulling their raid cards, installing fresh disks, run it and reinstall their raid card. Have them install some disks they don't have at the moment, and exclude notebook users? Possibly to avoid confusion, exchange their mobo's for a specific one for the benchmark and then reinstall their own mobo. Or do you intend to supply the standard mobo, several CPU's and memory configurations and various video cards plus the standard disk setup for testing purposes? Did you consider shipping and or insurance? How do you intend to include MAC users? How do you intend data submission to happen? How do you envisage checking the integrity of the data submitted? How do you process the data and report back? How do you intend to separate between PR, AE and both? How can you make sure that each system is running under the same conditions, background processes, driver versions, CS5 versions, etc.?

                                                         

                                                        Once you have designed this benchmark, and answered the above questions, I am willing to help you, provided you compensate me for my efforts. It is easy to say:

                                                        In my opinion, there should be a benchmark for stock setups with no overclocking and no raid (though with 3 to 4 drives).

                                                         

                                                        but are you willing to put in the effort, design and maintenance of the test, hosting, publication and feedback?

                                                         

                                                        Sorry, but there is a lot more to it than just saying 'there should be a benchmark for stock setups...''

                                                         

                                                        It is rather naive to think that users are willing to go to rather drastic measures to perform a certain test, modify their setup, adjust their BIOS, to disable certain background processes, etc. just to run the test under comparable situations.

                                                         

                                                        I look forward to your benchmark test and the processes around it.

                                                         

                                                        You can PM me your results.

                                                        • 25. Re: Advice on new Sandy Bridge build
                                                          able421 Level 1

                                                          "The BFTB score of the overclocked 2600K to 3.9 scores even lower than many other systems, ranking around 14-th place per $ with a score of 6.1."

                                                           

                                                          I see it at 14th spot, but I don't see the "per $" part of the benchmark. I also see it only trails Xeons and the 980X, an absurdly priced product. Are you saying there is a true performance over price benchmark? That I'd like to see.

                                                           

                                                          Also, Harm, you're not considering folks who do not care about large RAID arrays or more than 16GB of memory, and there are lots of us.

                                                           

                                                          Added: You can't compare over-clocking one architecture to the next based on clock speed. Apples to Oranges. If 4.7 is stable on the 2600K, then that's where it is. It's not hard to OC.

                                                           

                                                          Another added: While you guys are discussing new benchmarks, consider that not everyone wants a Ferrari, but the best value for a particular need. We're not all processing video for broadcast. Some of us just want to hit the sweet-spot. Sure, I could buy a $1000 CPU, but to hell with that.

                                                           

                                                          -A

                                                          • 26. Re: Advice on new Sandy Bridge build
                                                            Harm Millaard Level 7

                                                            Read the other pages as well. For instance Latest News.

                                                            • 27. Re: Advice on new Sandy Bridge build
                                                              able421 Level 1

                                                              I have been. What, exactly, am I supposed to find there?

                                                              • 28. Re: Advice on new Sandy Bridge build
                                                                Harm Millaard Level 7

                                                                The 'Bang-for-the-buck' chart, where the top score of 10.0 is for a 920 and the second score of 8.1 is for a 950. The 2600K @ 3.9 has the 6.1 score. There are 13 systems that score higher per $ than the 2600K, all of them i7-920/930/950 systems.

                                                                • 29. Re: Advice on new Sandy Bridge build
                                                                  able421 Level 1

                                                                  Thanks for the results. They say something, although I'm not sure what. There's no dollar figure on the Y-axis. And assuming the bench is the PPBM5 benchmark, there's a lot more going on there than just CPU/Memory/GPU. I see the 2600K came in 3rd, just behind the 950. Why not put a little more information out there. What kind of disks were they running? Was one running a hardware RAID controller? How much were the motherboards? What was the total cost of the machines? I realize you might not have access to all that information, but if that is the case, then don't call it a fair test.

                                                                  • 30. Re: Advice on new Sandy Bridge build
                                                                    Crist OC/PC Level 2

                                                                    THE I7950 is mine. No raid controller. And I just try gtx 460 and my result was mucht better "177sec"2. If I add 24G On my pc will be a top 10, if I use a raid controller for sure better. The reason why I dont get 24g is because for me is more interesting to wait for a octo core with HT That is coming soon. 

                                                                     

                                                                    The 2600k is a bulgar I5 WITH HT with a very nice O.C.  I guess intel made them in order to sale the rest of the socket 1156. And for thouse who like to O.C. The trues is these. If a person don know how to get the maximun performance From a pc. Will allways say that  the easys and new is the best.

                                                                     

                                                                    The PPBM5 for my is the best tool for comparing performance, understang and Learn about how a PC for video editing work. Somes even can use these to promote  its company's.

                                                                     

                                                                    I dont sell pc's, I dont work for adobe and I don't work with harms. But for sure I know how to built  PC'S  I'm not the best in the world and the best is not in these foro fore shure.

                                                                     

                                                                    These still a lot of info out there that you need to look in order to understand what is right or not.

                                                                     

                                                                    Sorry for my crapy english.

                                                                     

                                                                    B.R.

                                                                     

                                                                    Cristobal.

                                                                    • 31. Re: Advice on new Sandy Bridge build
                                                                      Crist OC/PC Level 2

                                                                      "What kind of disks were they running? Was one running a hardware RAID controller? How much were the motherboards? What was the total cost of the machines? I realize you might not have access to all that information, but if that is the case, then don't call it a fair test."

                                                                       

                                                                      It's easy to see you did look complet the PPBM5

                                                                       

                                                                      THE REPLAY FOR ALL YOUR QUESTIONS:

                                                                      http://ppbm5.com/Benchmark5.html

                                                                       

                                                                      You have nearly all info there and what you like to know that is not there you could ask her.

                                                                       

                                                                      I'm sure you will learn a lot from these page and with your 5 post I guess you have to read more before give these cain of negative feetback.

                                                                       

                                                                      THX.

                                                                      • 32. Re: Advice on new Sandy Bridge build
                                                                        Scott Chichelli Level 3

                                                                        thats nonsense..

                                                                         

                                                                        from newegg

                                                                        950 $294

                                                                        2600 $299  so thats a wash.

                                                                        980x $995

                                                                         

                                                                        Mushkin 16gig $218.00

                                                                        Mushkin 12gig $199

                                                                        $19 gets you 4gig more.

                                                                         

                                                                        the 2600 stock absolutely kills the 950 and is right there with the 980x stock

                                                                         

                                                                        again take away all the OCed processors and the stock 2600 is #1

                                                                        the next closest is 25 away stock 950...

                                                                        even the AMD oced beats the 950..

                                                                         

                                                                        Harm try as you may you cant argue with your own benchmarks.

                                                                        even if i reduce the ram to 8 gig its not dropping much.

                                                                        my own benchmarks show that. and the 8 gig system had a lowly 460 in it compared to the 16gig with a 570..

                                                                        this is the work flow most are doing...

                                                                         

                                                                        Premiere Pro CS5 Version 5.0.3 Testing

                                                                        I7 2600 3.4GHZ Turbo to 3.9GHz  NOT overclocked...

                                                                        8GB Blackline 1600 CL 9

                                                                        460GTX

                                                                        4 WD 1Tb Sata 64 Meg Cache 600 Drives in 2 Raid 0 arrays

                                                                        Video material - AVCHD 1080P 24 Frame Each Cut to 30 minutes of material

                                                                        Export Codec - H264 HDTV 1080P 24 Preset Default

                                                                        4 Effects per Layer - Fast Color Corrector, Brightness & Contrast, Video Limiter, Sharpen

                                                                        Each Layer Scaled to 50% for 4 frame PinP view.

                                                                        3 Layer - 37:35

                                                                        4 Layer - 40:49

                                                                         

                                                                        16GB Blackline 1600 CL 9

                                                                        570GTX

                                                                        3 Layer - 36:17

                                                                        4 Layer - 40:05

                                                                        • 33. Re: Advice on new Sandy Bridge build
                                                                          ECBowen Most Valuable Participant

                                                                          I have yet to see a Quadro out perform a Geforce card with the MPE or any other Cuda based application. If Nvidia has limited the Geforce drivers, I have not seen it and we have tested up to the Quadro 5000.

                                                                           

                                                                          Eric

                                                                          ADK

                                                                          • 34. Re: Advice on new Sandy Bridge build
                                                                            Crist OC/PC Level 2

                                                                            "I7 2600 3.4GHZ Turbo to 3.9GHz  NOT overclocked..."

                                                                             

                                                                            Turbo: as in the I79xx SERIES is a increase of the multiplier. That means is OVERCLOKED. I'm starting dout if you have ever use realtemp. THERE YOU CAN SEE SO....

                                                                             

                                                                            bios.jpg

                                                                            M.B.

                                                                            http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128456&cm_re=lga_1366_motherboard -_-13-128-456-_-Product 179 USD

                                                                             

                                                                            RAM.

                                                                            http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233146&cm_re=ddr3_1600-_-20-233-1 46-_-Product   24GB 1600       199USD X2 398USD

                                                                             

                                                                            I7950

                                                                            http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115211&cm_re=i7950-_-19-115-211-_ -Product  294 USD.

                                                                             

                                                                             

                                                                            Coller  Air +- 80 usd, GTX460 +-200 usd, PS +- 150usd, Cases +- 90usd  HD let said 300 usd.  =                 +- 820 USD

                                                                             

                                                                            Total +- 1691USD.

                                                                             

                                                                            You really think you can make a better SB Whit the same amount of money?????

                                                                            • 35. Re: Advice on new Sandy Bridge build
                                                                              Scott Chichelli Level 3

                                                                              you really are clueless...

                                                                              turbo mode is a normal process within the processor and requires no bios tweaking. happens with stock bios setting.

                                                                              thus stock speed.

                                                                              over-clocking requires a vast amount of bios tweaking.

                                                                              4.7 is OCed not turboing..

                                                                               

                                                                              turbo mode needed to be turned off with 1366 systems.

                                                                              SB systems are fine with it on.

                                                                              what does real temp have to do with any of this? other than SB runs cooler.

                                                                               

                                                                              again price point posted and yes the stock 2600 with 16 gig ram will far outperform the now lowly 950 with 24 gig ram...

                                                                              for far less $.

                                                                               

                                                                              i think you need to stay on the porch, you cant hang with the big dogs buddy..

                                                                              • 36. Re: Advice on new Sandy Bridge build
                                                                                Crist OC/PC Level 2


                                                                                Crist and MadDog OC/PCGIGABYTEX58 XtremenQ3      216.0Q3         174.0Q3        75.0Q3        60.0Q3        76.0D9          5.0Q3        81.0D9         5.016.2 XIntelI7-950(OC) 4.31412 5.02GTX 470

                                                                                                    ADK Test 4.0ADK Test?Q3      249.0Med      225.1D9        71.0Med   100.0Q3        72.0Q3          6.0D9         70.0Q3         6.011.7 XInteli7-980X(OC) 4.01612 5.01Quadro CX

                                                                                 

                                                                                 

                                                                                Go and keep playing Lego. I help  but with your arrogant actitud dont even wan to teach you....

                                                                                 

                                                                                B.R.

                                                                                 

                                                                                Cristobal.

                                                                                • 37. Re: Advice on new Sandy Bridge build
                                                                                  ECBowen Most Valuable Participant

                                                                                  Look at the Adobe version between the 2. 5.0.2 increased performance significantly on all platforms. Also you are comparing a 470GTX to a Previous Gen Quadro card that has half the cores. Once again Apples and Oranges.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Eric

                                                                                  ADK

                                                                                  • 38. Re: Advice on new Sandy Bridge build
                                                                                    Crist OC/PC Level 2

                                                                                    ??????????

                                                                                    We are comparing i7950 4 core vs i7980 6core

                                                                                     

                                                                                    the difference in the MPE IS 1SEC

                                                                                     

                                                                                    THEM YOU SAY:

                                                                                     

                                                                                    "Look at the Adobe version between the 2. 5.0.2 increased performance significantly on all platforms. Also you are comparing a 470GTX to a Previous Gen Quadro card that has half the cores. Once again Apples and Oranges."

                                                                                     

                                                                                    Come on Eric I have a lot of respect for you.

                                                                                     

                                                                                    ASK TO BILL or harm wicht was my result whit the 5.0.1

                                                                                     

                                                                                     

                                                                                    Crist and MadDog OC/PC;Personal or Computer ID

                                                                                    GIGABYTE;Computer Manufacturer

                                                                                    GA-EX58-EXTREME;Computer Model

                                                                                    226;secs Total Benchmark Time

                                                                                    ;Performance index

                                                                                    75;secs AVI  Encoding Time

                                                                                    61;secs MPEG Elapsed Time

                                                                                    85;secs H.264 Elapsed Time

                                                                                    5;secs Rendering Time

                                                                                    ;MPE off result

                                                                                    ;MPE result

                                                                                    ;MPE gain

                                                                                    Intel;CPU Manufacturer

                                                                                    I7-950;CPU Model

                                                                                    4.2;GHz CPU speed

                                                                                    1;Number of CPU chips

                                                                                    4;Total Number of Cores

                                                                                    12;GB RAM

                                                                                    5.01;Version 25 PPBM5 multitest

                                                                                    GTX470;Graphics Board

                                                                                     

                                                                                    That is not a reason.

                                                                                     

                                                                                     

                                                                                    Now you have them her. ORANGE WITH ORANGE. still your i7980 23 sec slow that my I7950.

                                                                                     

                                                                                    Sure you will tellme know is the gtx 470.

                                                                                     

                                                                                    I just make the ppbm las week with the gtx460 OC AND guess what, My time was177sec. and if I go with more memory yo tellme what will happen???

                                                                                     

                                                                                    We are her for help us not for figth.

                                                                                     

                                                                                    B.R.

                                                                                    • 39. Re: Advice on new Sandy Bridge build
                                                                                      ECBowen Most Valuable Participant

                                                                                      It has been shown by more than just me including by Bill and Harm that there is a big difference in performance between 5.0.1 and 5.0.2. I have also submitted results with updated results for the 980X at 4GHz with the 5.0.2 with 470GTX and they are not up there. I am simply pointing out that you are comparing 2 different versions with a big performance difference as well as 2 video cards with a big performance difference. Go look at the specs of a Quadro CX and a 460GTX. You should be able to see a big difference.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      BTW the video card performance effects the export as well as the Sequence render.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      Eric

                                                                                      ADK

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