13 Replies Latest reply on Jan 21, 2011 5:45 PM by Jeff Schewe

    DNG Converter converts existing dng files to.....dng!

    bconnerphoto Level 1

      Today I decided to convert all of the raw files on one hard drive to dng format.   The dng converter has converted about 4,000 of a little over 15,000 raw files so far.  I scrolled through the conversion status list and noticed that the converter is also converting existing dng files into dng files thus creating a duplicate.  Why in the world would a person need, or want to , convert existing dng files to dng files?  I new that I already had some dng files on the hard drive, but I never would have imagined that the converter would include dng files in the list of raw files to convert to dng.

       

      It is not a big deal to find and delete.  All I have to do is do a search for all files that end in _1.dng.  No biggie, but it seems redundant to me to waste time on this conversion.  Is there an option to choose not to convert dng files?  I can not look at the moment because the converter is converting dng files and is busy. LOL.

        • 1. Re: DNG Converter converts existing dng files to.....dng!
          Level 4

          bconnerphoto wrote:

           

          …Why in the world would a person need, or want to , convert existing dng files to dng files?…

           

          Why on Earth would a user target a folder that contains DNG files?  

          • 2. Re: DNG Converter converts existing dng files to.....dng!
            bconnerphoto Level 1

            Tai Lao, why in the world would a person not read my entire post, and comprehend what it states before making such a useless post?

             

            I will state this one more time for the reading challenged.  I knew that the folder (the entire hard drive actually) had a few dng files on it.  (It had less than 100 out of over 15,000.)  Why would a person have a need to reconvert dng files and create a duplicate dng file?  I think that it would be a good thing to either give the user a choice to convert and duplicate files. I had no idea that the converter would duplicate files like this.

             

            So, Mr. Smartypants Tai Lao, can you use your brain to answer the questions contained in the post? Or are you unable to contribute positively to the forum?

            • 3. Re: DNG Converter converts existing dng files to.....dng!
              Greg Barnett Level 2

              >Why in the world would a person need, or want to , convert existing dng files to dng files?

               

              Probably not something most users would want to do but reconverting can be used to update older DNG's to the latest specification version.

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              • 4. Re: DNG Converter converts existing dng files to.....dng!
                bconnerphoto Level 1

                thanks Greg.  That was the only possible reason I could think of.  It would be nice to have the option to not duplicate the files but to only update.  Or to give you the option of including existing dng files or not.  But, I am not going to complain any more since it is free to download and use.

                • 5. Re: DNG Converter converts existing dng files to.....dng!
                  dfranzen_adobe Level 3

                  A few reasons I can think of to convert a DNG to another DNG...

                   

                  1. To create DNGs that are backward compatible with older versions of Camera Raw and Lightroom if the DNG files you have are not.

                   

                  2. You may have created DNG files with the original RAW file embedded for archival purposes and want to also create smaller DNGs without the original RAW file embedded.

                   

                  -David

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                  • 6. Re: DNG Converter converts existing dng files to.....dng!
                    Level 4

                    bconnerphoto wrote:

                     

                    Tai Lao, why in the world would a person not read my entire post…

                     

                    Oh, but I did—and I actually laughed out loud at the end. 

                     

                    bconnerphoto wrote:

                     

                    …So, Mr. Smartypants Tai Lao…

                     

                    Hey, the only smart aleck here would be you, bconner.  After all, you are the one with the problem, not I. 

                     

                    You are the one who neglected to read the entire documentation and learn that the DNG Converter works on any and all applicable files it finds in a folder.

                     

                    My post was a positive contribution to anyone with the wherewithal to understand that I was implying that this is the way the DNG Converter is designed to work and that anyone who has become thoroughly familiar with the utility knows it or can easily distill it from the documentation on the web.  There's an old proverb that says "few words are needed to be said to someone who understands well".  That was the spirit and intent of my post.  It seems all this went over your head, though.

                     

                    Now you act offended?  Give me a break!

                     

                    Besides, it's not as if the Converter were deleting your originals.  Just get rid of the unintended DNG-to-DNG conversions and learn from this experience.  Don't put DNGC to work on folders containing eligible files that you do not want to convert.  It's not rocket science.

                     

                     

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                    • 7. Re: DNG Converter converts existing dng files to.....dng!
                      bconnerphoto Level 1

                      Thanks David, those are valid reasons.  The problem that I had with the conversion was that I made an assumption, and I was wrong.  I assumed that the converter would only consider non dng raw files for conversion.  I made the change to converting to dng upon importing using the "Get photos from camera" function in Adobe Bridge.  But, that change was made only a few months ago.  So, I had thousands of images that were in the original CR2 format. I saw the ability to select the topmost folder on the hard drive for conversion as the simple way to do the conversion.  As opposed to selecting each individual shoot folder one by one.  I did not imagine that the converter would "re-convert" previously converted files.  I see now that the logic is that it is "updating" the conversion and saving it as a duplicate. 

                      I think that it would be a good idea to either give the user a choice of whether or not to convert dng files or to put a notice on the converter itself stating that dng files will be included and duplicated.

                       

                      I really appreciate the fact that the converter is free to use.  And I understand that making the changes above could be cost prohibitive.  So, my complaint is a very tiny one.

                       

                      thanks again for your kind response.

                      • 8. Re: DNG Converter converts existing dng files to.....dng!
                        bconnerphoto Level 1

                        Tai Lao,

                         

                        you stated that "You are the one who neglected to read the entire documentation and learn that the DNG Converter works on any and all applicable files it finds in a folder.".   Would you please reference where Adobe states in the DNG Converter version 6.3 documentation that it "works on any and all applicable files"?

                         

                        I did find in the version 6.3 read me this statement:  "What is the Adobe (DNG) Converter?
                        The Adobe DNG Converter enables you to easily convert camera-specific raw files from the supported
                        cameras listed below to a more universal DNG raw file.".  This statement indicates "camera-specific raw files"  The dng file format is the opposite of a "camera-specific" raw file.  It is a NON camera specific raw format.  It is a universal format.

                         

                        Therefore, even if your claim of "the DNG Converter works on any and all applicable files it finds in a folder." is valid, it would not consider a dng file as being an applicable one since Adobe states that it converts camera-specific raw files and the dng file is not a camera specific raw file.  I do understand now that the converter does update, or reconvert, existing dng files, and I do understand the possible need for doing so.

                         

                        I apologize for being unable to extract the content of your second post from the single sentence in your first post.  Now, dont forget, please reference where in the dng documentation that states it includes dng files in its conversion?

                        • 9. Re: DNG Converter converts existing dng files to.....dng!
                          Level 4

                          bconner,

                           

                          You can do your own legwork yourself, I won't waste more of my time on you.  You should be able to find the parts that explain the conversion of DNGs to newer DNG specs.

                           

                          Some users come here genuinely wanting to learn or to find workarounds and solutions for their problems.  Others come here just to argue, vent or rant.  The latter group is best ignored.

                           

                           

                           

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                          Wo Tai Lao Le

                          我太老了

                          • 10. Re: DNG Converter converts existing dng files to.....dng!
                            bconnerphoto Level 1

                            i have already done the legwork.  The reason for your answer is because you have spoken

                            without having proof.  If you had proof, you would provide it.  As far as the specifications for the conversion of dng to later dng specs, I am sure that does exist, but it does not have anything to do with the fact that not everyone wishes to have their existing dng files reconverted and some people (maybe most if asked) would prefer to have the choice.  The information stating that existing dng files will be reconverted by default is not clearly stated anywhere.  This is an oversight by Adobe in my opinion and users should be made aware of the fact.

                             

                            As far as your statement about " users come here genuinely wanting to learn or to find workarounds and  solutions for their problems.  Others come here just to argue, vent or  rant.  The latter group is best ignored.", I did not come here just to argue or to rant.  I came here to vent and to gain understanding.  Your original statement seemed to be (at the time) an attempt at humor at my expense.  Maybe that was not your intention.  But, your single sentence in no way was constructive or informative.  Furthermore, some people frequent forums for the sole purpose to make comments in order to get a response out of people.  They have no honest intention of providing useful information.  These are the people that are best ignored also.

                             

                            I had no intentions of getting into a discussion such as this when I made the original post.  In retrospect, I should have ignored your post from the beginning.  That was my mistake.

                             

                            Have a nice day.

                            • 11. Re: DNG Converter converts existing dng files to.....dng!
                              Level 4

                              "No proof"? !

                               

                              You provide me with twofold "proof" yourself:  not only by acknowledging awareness of the explanation of the utility's ability to convert DNG files to newer or even same-version DNGs, but also by the very fact that you are the very first poster on record to get caught off guard by this function.  Does everyone else operate by sheer extraordinary intuition, or what?

                               

                              Where does your notion come from that every helpful responder must slavishly go over a variety of documents in order to provide proof? 

                               

                              You either accept the suggestions or you move on.

                               

                              bconnerphoto wrote:

                               

                              As far as your statement about " users come here genuinely wanting to learn or to find workarounds and  solutions for their problems.  Others come here just to argue, vent or  rant.  The latter group is best ignored.", I did not come here just to argue or to rant.  I came here to vent…   [emphasis added]

                              …and you have vented—and ranted.    Over a free utility, at that!

                               

                              bconnerphoto wrote:

                               

                              …some people frequent forums for the sole purpose to make comments in order to get a response out of people.  They have no honest intention of providing useful information…

                               

                               

                              Over the last decade I have helped literally thousands of fellow users in the Photoshop Macintosh, Camera Raw, Color Management, Typography and Adobe Type forums, and scores or hundreds have thanked me publicly and privately.  Your profile shows you have a grand total of 13 posts and 0 (zero) forum helpful points awarded by your fellow users.

                               

                              I have no need to defend or justify myself to you.  I'm way too old for that.

                               

                              You were the one who inserted the phrase "why in the world" in your original post, and the far-from friendly "Mr. SmartyPants" remark in another.

                               

                              As a guru posted very recently in another one of the aforementioned forums, provide something useful yourself, "otherwise you are kinda like a wart.."

                               

                               

                               

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                              • 12. Re: DNG Converter converts existing dng files to.....dng!
                                bconnerphoto Level 1

                                You still have not provided any documentation to back up your assertion that Adobe makes plain, or even unplain for that matter, that DNG files are going to be included in the conversion process.  I am not asking you to "slavishly go over a variety of documents in order to provide proof", you state as a matter of fact that the documentation exists. Your failure or inability to produce any proof can only be interpreted as meaning that it does not exist.  You are speaking about something that you apparently do not have a clue about.  You only seem to act like you know what you are talking about.   It is pointless to discuss this with you any longer.  I accept the fact that you are not going to be able to provide official Adobe documentation stating that DNG files are going to converted along with camera dependent raw files.  Apparently, you had no prior knowledge of this issue, because you did not share a reason in your post.  And, you still do not share documentation....because you do not have any!  FAIL!

                                 

                                As far as making contributions, just because I have only posted 14 times on this forum is not a clear indicator of my total contributions.  I am not going to get into a "I have made this many posts on this forum and that forum argument" with you.  It is pointless and childish.

                                 

                                And how were you trying to help me?  You were not.  You offered nothing.  Your comment only had one purpose: to make fun of another person and/or to incite a reaction.  You did that very well.  You need to be honest with yourself and think about what kind of contribution you were making in your original post.  You did not offer anything accept for a smartaleck answer. 

                                 

                                As far as acknowledging the utility's ability to convert dng files to newer files, yes I knew that the converter could be used to update existing DNG files.  I did not imagine that it would convert an existing dng file and produce a duplicate.  Big difference!

                                 

                                And what is wrong with venting?  I expressed frustration with something that I found bothering.  Adobe would like for everyone to adopt this format.  One way of achieving that goal is for people to use the converter.  But, if people are not happy with the converter, then they may not convert, or recommend the use of the converter.  I use the converter, and I use camera raw to convert to dng as well as converting upon import.

                                 

                                You can not defend yourself on the issue of documentation to back up your claim apparently because it does not exist.

                                 

                                I apologize for referring to you as "Mr. Smartypants".  I can clearly see now that I was wrong for calling you that. 

                                 

                                I know that I am guilty here of inserting my own emotion into your original response.  I have a 50% chance that I was correct in assuming that you were simply being humorous and not condescending.  Again, I should have ignored your post as it was completely worthless.  I apologize for that.

                                 

                                And, at the moment, I do not feel very smart for participating in this childish discussion with you.  I am much too old to be doing this.

                                • 13. Re: DNG Converter converts existing dng files to.....dng!
                                  Jeff Schewe Level 5

                                  bconnerphoto wrote:

                                   

                                  And, at the moment, I do not feel very smart for participating in this childish discussion with you.  I am much too old to be doing this.

                                   

                                   

                                  There ya go...a simple test on a subset of images (which I always do) would have alerted you to the fact that DNG Converter can convert previous DNGs to new DNGs. You've now learned the various legit reasons for doing so. At this point you are only prolonging your own agony of being ignorant (as in unknowledgeable) on how to use DNG Converter...