22 Replies Latest reply: Mar 4, 2011 11:00 AM by the_wine_snob Branched from an earlier discussion. RSS

    Linking in Encore CS5

    kdoc2 Community Member

      I remain very unclear about how to link everything in Encore (En-CS5). Here's what I currently have:

           1. The "Disk" has "First Play" as the menu.

           2. The Menu (showing up as linked to Disk in the Flowchart) keeps showing an hourglass. It has "Stop" as its End Action. This hourglass over the Menu persists.

           3. The Submenu ("Button") then shows up as being linked to the movie in the flowchart.

           4. The Movie (*.proj) has the End Action as itself (i.e. the movie). This results in it's playing itself again automatically. I'd rather it went back to the Menu.  I considered having the Menu as the End Action, and though I haven't tried this, it results in yet another hourglass over the Menu.

       

      Can you tell me what I'm doing right and wrong. And what the hourglass signifies. Insidentallly, when I run "Check Project" I see no problems.

       

      Thanks--this is the first time I've played with Encore.

       

      kdoc

        • 1. Re: Linking in Encore CS5
          Stan Jones CommunityMVP

          These questions are better placed in the Encore forum, but you'll get the same answers here, so...

           

          Yes, the menu should be first play, and should have stop as its end action.

           

          For the movie, unless you have some other purpose, just set its end action to "last menu."

           

          When you switch to the menu viewer (double click on the menu in the project panel or the menu panel), do you see the hourglass?

           

               3. The Submenu ("Button") then shows up as being linked to the movie in the flowchart.

          What do you mean by submenu?

          • 2. Re: Linking in Encore CS5
            kdoc2 Community Member

            By submenu (button) I mean that the  menu has one button, as I've set it up. That shows up on the flowchart below the menu (not with a linkage arrow, just below it) , and is called in Properties "Button". (Thus properties has a Menu and a "button", but on the  flowchart, they're connected). That's what I've linked to the Prprog.

             

            Also about 10 minutes after opening up today, the hourglass disappeared. What was that all about?

             

            So I'll run this and let you know. Thanks very much

             

            kdoc

            • 3. Re: Linking in Encore CS5
              Stan Jones CommunityMVP

              See how those moderators take care of things?  Welcome to the Encore forum!

               

              The  "button" has nothing to do with a submenu - it is a button and is linked to your movie.  All is well.

               

              I suspect the hourglass is related to a process going on in the background, probably related to the dynamic link, but who knows.  If it went away, that is good.  Ha,ha!

               

              Yes, give it a go; and let us know.

              • 4. Re: Linking in Encore CS5
                kdoc2 Community Member

                Thanks Stan,

                 

                Yes, it played correctly. I think you've nailed it. So to summarize for all. Clicking on the flowchart:

                     1. Timeline: First Play is set for the Menu.

                     2, Menu is set: End = stop.

                     3. "Button" as part of menu (but separate from it under Properties) is linked to the PrProg.

                     4. PrProg End Action is Return to Last Menu.

                 

                I'm left with this question: In checking my Presets I go into File -- Edit Quality Presets. But when I open that it shows the default (Blueray, 23.97 VBR 1 pass), whereas I thought I had set it to DVD, 29.97 etc. ) Is it running on how I set it or what? And what are the preferred settings for the optimal DVD? Which fps, which VBR, etc. There are many choices. How do I set this, recheck to see if it's set correctly, etc.

                 

                kdoc

                • 5. Re: Linking in Encore CS5
                  Stan Jones CommunityMVP

                  In checking my Presets I go into File -- Edit Quality Presets. But when I open that it shows the default (Blueray, 23.97 VBR 1 pass), whereas I thought I had set it to DVD, 29.97 etc. ) Is it running on how I set it or what?


                  Think of 2 separate steps: 1) defining presets (the ones listed that are part of Encore's definitions - and then the ones you modify and save as custom presets) and 2) selecting presets (Encore defined or your custom) for each of your assets.

                   

                  When you go into File -> Edit Quality Presets, you are working only with step 1.

                   

                  When you select an asset in the project panel and either right click or go to File -> Transcode Settings, you go to the Transcode Settings dialog where you can actually select a preset (custom or otherwise) for that asset, or you can click on the Edit Quality Presets button and what you do under step 1.

                  And what are the preferred settings for the optimal DVD? Which fps, which VBR, etc. There are many choices. How do I set this, recheck to see if it's set correctly, etc.

                  "It depends."  A short movie - just use CBR and max the datarate.  Longer movies require an understanding of much more.  For a beginning, just set it to "Automatic."  Let Encore decide all that.  For short pieces, automatic will max the datarate using CBR.  For longer pieces, Encore will find the highest datarate, using VBR as needed, to fill the disk.

                   

                  Just make sure, when using automatic, that you complete any menus, especially motion menus, before you transcode.  I like to use the Transcode Now, setting to use AME in Encore general preferences, rather than transcoding as part of the final "build" operation.

                  • 6. Re: Linking in Encore CS5
                    kdoc2 Community Member

                    Thank you,

                     

                    I'll digest all of that when I've some time--I have to attend to "life" today and part of tomorrow first. Thanks very much.

                     

                    kdoc

                    • 7. Re: Linking in Encore CS5
                      Stan Jones CommunityMVP

                      Ha, ha!  Good luck with "life."

                      • 8. Re: Linking in Encore CS5
                        the_wine_snob Community Member

                        Kdoc,

                         

                        I cannot believe that you are letting "life" intrude, when you have a DVD Project on the computer...

                         

                        Good luck - with "life" AND the Project, as Stanley offers,

                         

                        Hunt

                        • 9. Re: Linking in Encore CS5
                          kdoc2 Community Member

                          Yeh, that's the  way I feel. How dare life have the temerity to infringe on my creative brilliance--standing in the way of true art!! Well OK I'll spend 5 minutes......

                           

                          I note that right clicking the timeline or Proj does not give me the option to transcode, And File--transcode is greyed out because it's transcoded from before. If I just go into Edit Quality Presets, make some changes, save the preset, and then save the file, will they then "stick" to this Proj. (even though if I then again open Edit Qual Presets, it has gone back to the Blueray, etc. default). See, here's what I don't understand: If I have to go into Edit Quality Presets, am I not just defining a preset? How do I make that Edit relate to my project (a) Initially, and (b) in this case, after it's once been transcoded and a DVD made? i.e. How do I change the Quality which is affecting the project?

                           

                          kdoc

                          • 10. Re: Linking in Encore CS5
                            Stan Jones CommunityMVP

                            Sorry; forgot you transcoded before: remember Revert to Original?  That's it!

                            • 11. Re: Linking in Encore CS5
                              kdoc2 Community Member

                              So, after Revert To Original, do I have to have Premiere go back to Encore, if (a) I've made no changes in Premiere; or b. I have made changes?

                               

                              kdoc

                              • 12. Re: Linking in Encore CS5
                                Stan Jones CommunityMVP

                                As soon as you revert to original, it will update to the Premiere version if there are any changes.  You don't do anything.

                                 

                                This just allows you to transcode again, with different (or the same) transcode settings.

                                • 13. Re: Linking in Encore CS5
                                  kdoc2 Community Member

                                  I started to write, but I may be solving my own followup question.  Wait.

                                   

                                  kdoc

                                  • 14. Re: Linking in Encore CS5
                                    the_wine_snob Community Member

                                    Kdoc,

                                     

                                    No way are we going to allow you to throw us a "cliffhanger!"

                                     

                                    Ya' gotta' report,

                                     

                                    Hunt

                                    • 15. Re: Linking in Encore CS5
                                      kdoc2 Community Member

                                      OK, OK Once more, I'll yank myself from "life" for a few moments and back to something important. I believe you guys have done it--in spite of myself, I seem now able to find my way around Encore, at least that part which seems important for my small, chapter-less project. Thanks very much.

                                       

                                      Perhaps I should start this as another thread, but I've got you two here with me so...

                                       

                                      Once I've burned a couple of DVD's I'll want to do the following:

                                           1. Make something which will have higher res which I can show on my computer. Ann has suggested mpeg2 HDTV 720p. I've put my still images in at full Canon 40D Res (3888x2592--then scaled and panned in PrP). Would you folks recommend I export to a higher res HDTV? Which? (btw, my computer had no trouble handling these larger than needed images).

                                           2. Would you make a BlueRay to keep for later (I don't have the burn hardware yet)? Then I could collect my assets in one place and put this project away, off-line?

                                           3. In the DVD I chose Audio 320 instead of 192 bitrate. Does this do anything positive if it's just a DVD? I think I recorded at greater than 192.

                                       

                                      Many thanks for all the tremendous help I've received. OK, back to life for a bit

                                       

                                      PS: Any suggestions on Disk (DVD) Brands: do any of them give perceptively better results than others?

                                       

                                      kdoc

                                      • 16. Re: Linking in Encore CS5
                                        the_wine_snob Community Member

                                        First, I would create a New Project in PrPro, and set it up for full BD, of 1920 x 1080.

                                         

                                        Then, I would Scale the stills to that size, or just what is needed if you plan on Panning on a Zoomed out image (just calculate how much larger. I would do this in PS, and for the vast majority, you can do this with an Action. This ARTICLE should be helpful. Just pay no attention to the 720 x 480 dimensions, as that was when SD was the main format.

                                         

                                        Then, I would do a BD, and use either the HD MPEG-2, or H.264. There are arguments for each, with HD MPEG-2 seemingly easier to author with, and H.264 compressing more, to allow for a longer runtime. You might want to get some BD RE's and test.

                                         

                                        Good luck,

                                         

                                        Hunt

                                        • 17. Re: Linking in Encore CS5
                                          kdoc2 Community Member

                                          Yo Hunt,

                                           

                                          Sounds like good advice. So what's "BD" (I'm guessing Blu Ray Definition)? And what's RE's?

                                          And suggestion on Disk brands? Does it matter. Are good ones made which are reasonably priced, albeit not thei cheapest?

                                           

                                          kdoc

                                          • 18. Re: Linking in Encore CS5
                                            the_wine_snob Community Member

                                            Sorry for the jargon. BD = Blu-ray Disc.

                                             

                                            For brands, I am a fan of Verbatim and Taiyo-Yuden for DVD's. I do not yet do BD, so have not studied the possibilities.

                                             

                                            Sony gets good recs. here too, but again, I have not tried them.

                                             

                                            Unless things change greatly with BD, Memorex would be one brand to avoid, like the plague.

                                             

                                            For DVD, TDK (recent), Ritek (recent), and all "store brands" should also be avoided.

                                             

                                            Maybe others will chime in and give BD-specific recs. Would be good to hear what Jeff, Neil, Stanley and Jon use, and how they feel about their brand choices.

                                             

                                            Good luck,

                                             

                                            Hunt

                                            • 19. Re: Linking in Encore CS5
                                              kdoc2 Community Member

                                              Thanks Hunt. Yes, I think it's important to hear about DVD Brands. I, too, have heard good things about Verbatim. Much of what I've heard in general has to do with longevity. I'm also wondering whether the image qualityis improved by some of these better brands? (When one rents a professional movie DVD, the  quality is  often excellent--it looks closer to high def. How do they do that?)

                                               

                                              kdoc

                                              • 20. Re: Linking in Encore CS5
                                                the_wine_snob Community Member
                                                When one rents a professional movie DVD, the  quality is  often excellent--it looks closer to high def. How do they do that?

                                                 

                                                Two things that definitely play into that are:

                                                 

                                                • The discs are pressed in replication, and not burned
                                                • The Transcoding is done with high-level, and very expensive software, by trained experts, who do nothing else all day long

                                                 

                                                In our case, close is as good as it will ever get.

                                                 

                                                Good luck,

                                                 

                                                Hunt

                                                • 21. Re: Linking in Encore CS5
                                                  kdoc2 Community Member

                                                  Right, I've sorta suspected what you just said. I was just additionally wondering whether the particular disk brand makes an observable difference in image quality, given that we're limited as you suggest by our expertise, the pressing/burning issue, and by a 720x480 resolution? (You might say this is a "burning question" for me ).

                                                   

                                                  kdoc

                                                  • 22. Re: Linking in Encore CS5
                                                    the_wine_snob Community Member

                                                    Kdoc,

                                                     

                                                    It is a common "burning question," and we often see it here. It's usually framed around, "I have several Hollywood BD's/DVD's, and they have managed to cram (fill in the Duration here) onto it, with great quality. Why can't I do the same?"

                                                     

                                                    It really boils down to VBR Encoding with 10+ passes, in software that costs more than many houses, and run by experts at Transcoding motion for the ultimate results. Then, pressing vs burning.

                                                     

                                                    I cannot address the brands of blank media used in typical Hollywood productions, but maybe others can. I can only assume that they use the "good stuff," but maybe not. Just do not know.

                                                     

                                                    Good luck,

                                                     

                                                    Hunt