I've read it. All of it. But for me, it's still a daunting task, especially being dyslexic, after a while so much text becomes difficult to read without giving me a literal headache. That's why I have asked for some help. To be more specific...
NewEgg sells a number of DIY kits. If one or more of the ones they have for sale would suit me, then I can build from there.
Building on my own... what about this:
MSI P67A-GD64 (would be happy to have alternatives)
8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1333 (I certainly could get something else, maybe more, different company)
For a case, Antec ATX Mid Tower ???
I'm not sure what size power supply I need. There are so many case/power supply combos that the mind boggles at choosing.
Seagate Momentus XT Hybrid drive for my OS drive. Best of both worlds. Not expensive.
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X58 motherboard, I have the Asus P6T SE
3each 4Gig memory sticks for 12Gig (allows expansion to 24Gig)
850watt power supply
Intel i7 950 CPU
Windows 7 64bit Pro (NOT home, it has memory limits)
nVidia GTX 460
At least 3 hard drives... My 3 hard drives are configured as... (WD = Western Digital)
1 - 320G WD Win7 64bit Pro and all programs
2 - 320G WD Win7 swap file and video projects
3 - 1T WD all video files... read and write
This is for AVCHD, some HD files work better with RAID
So reading more and listening to you guys and a few others...
Bloomfield is slower in the long run. But Sandybridge has the SATA 3.0 degradation problem, right? Or is that fixed?
If Bloomfield maybe the ASUS Sabretooth X58 for the motherboard?
Intel Core i7-950 Bloomfield 3.06GHz Quad Core?
Do you have to do anything particular to get the nVidia GTX 460 working in Premiere Pro with full functionality?
This one looks good.
If you're not going for a full blown pro system with a hardware RAID-controller and feel happy with a maximum of 16GB RAM for now (and 32GB once the 8GB non ECC DIMMs are released) I'd absolutely go for a P67 Sandy Bridge-based system with an i7-2600K CPU. The updated motherboards are slowly hitting the stores right now, easily recognized by their Rev B3-tag. We can buy both MSI and Gigabyte boards locally right now although the stock is limited.
The i7-2600K is a bit faster (yes, this has been debated to death, it IS faster than the i7-950 in both single- and multithreaded applications per clock cycle, triple channel memory or not, http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/287?vs=100), runs cooler and very easily overclocks like nothing else on the market, even on simple air cooling.
Worthless benchmark for video editing. 950's at stock speed do slightly better than 2600K at stock speed, due to the platform.
you are on the right track budget or not.
8 gig ram to start (9-9-9-24 1600 is what you want) you can add 2 more later
700W power supply. like coolermaster silent m pro
minimum 460 nvidia
the 2600 will outperform ALL X58 processors other than the 980x at stock per stock.
and OC vs OC
Oh, here we go again...
Harm, you keep claiming that, yet you haven't presented any proof of that a i7-950 should be any faster than the i7-2600K WHEN equipped with the same disk subsystem, which is what we're talking about here. You can't really refer to any PPBM5-scores since there aren't two 950/2600K machines with roughly equal basic configurations in that chart. Apples and oranges. Until you present that particular data I'd call your statement "a matter of opinon" rather than fact.
What exactly would be the advantage in your opinion Harm, the supposedly magic component that somehow makes the 950/1366-platform better and faster than the 2600K/P67 in this situation, since ALL other benchmarks, including video encoding, rendering, general computing, Photshop, Premiere Pro rendering and MPE-benchmarks etc from other sites claim differently? The triple channel memory? The memory bandwidth of the P67 dual channel is indeed a bit slower than the triple channel 1366 but how much does that matter in real life performance? Compared to the increased CPU crunching power and optimizations made to the other subsystems, not much it seems: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/memory/2011/01/11/the-best-memory-for-sandy-bridge/8 and http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/memory/2011/01/11/the-best-memory-for-sandy-bridge/9
Not to mention when we start overclocking...
I'd love to see a PPBM5 shoot-out between a i7-950 with 12GB and a i7-2600KB with 12GB (4+4 + 2+2) (and then the opposite, 18GB vs 16GB and "steal" 2GB from the 1366 with a RAM-disk if you want to be fair), system disk + two RAID0-arrays using identical disks, the same graphics card and Windows-tweaks. Stock speeds and overclocked on air. That's how you settle it. The 950 has a bit faster memory, the 2600K is clearly the faster CPU, but which wins in the long run?
Okay, no arguing in here. You will just confuse me. Thank you.
For memory then either of the following is fine, yes?
Last thing is finding the proper CPU cooler. I don't want some gargantuan thing. The choices are staggering.
By the way, I'll likely end up buying the Sandybridge setup because of the combo deals I can get. So the cooler would need to be compatible.
LOL oh boy here we go again is right..
i have already provided those numbers both in PPBM and our internals. (only against a 980x)
yet somehow magically the 950 wins.. when the 980x either does not or barely does..
FYI the 960 should now be inserted for the 950 as they are basically the same price.
970 vs 2600 is more like it and would show them neck in neck.
you cant do a memory for memory correctly.
however for giggles i may just run up a SB system with 12 in it 2x4 and 2x2... rather than handicapping the x58 to 16 as foul would be cried
but handicapping a SB would be ok
i would get the mushkin..
The other option is get the video card I mentioned, but switch to the Bloomfield via this combo package.
I save over a hundred dollars allowing me to spend a bit more on the cooler for the CPU.
on a side note be respectful of Harm..
He has put alot of personal time and energy into helping people in the forums and helping Bill create the new PPBM..
only i get to give him a hard time :-)
One cooler/fan for the CPU I have looked at is the Xigmatek Balder SD1283. Big sucker, but they all look big.
I am also considering going for the i7 2600k since it is easier to overclock and so far results show people can make it scream with no trouble at all. The price difference is a negligable $30. Obviously the addition of a serious heatsink/fan adds another $40 to $50 so now we are around $70 to $80, but in the grand scheme of things, I can deal with that.
You can take this table as reference and you can search as well for more reference on internet .:
I hav use Prolima, Noctua and Xigmatek. They are great.
And Honesly To for O.C. the I72600 make thing easy, any how to get 4ghz on Air with I7 920, 930,950,960 as well is very easy.
So look whit the sandy you gain +- 10% clock speed, but you pay 20% more that I7 950 and if you can pay for a sandy I will buy a I7970 6core.
But this is very personal, I will always think in the future and not dout tha X58 IS a better board.
Gents, I bit the bullet. Because of certain discounts that were available I went ahead and bought a Sandybrudge based system with the i7 2600k 3.4GHz CPU. This is really a faster CPU than I had intended, but at least I won't have to worry about it for a very long time.
The rest of what I bought...
MSI P67A-GD65 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel SATA 6GB USB3.0 ATX
MSi M460GTX FeForce 460
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2x4GB, which I will double to 16 in a few months)
Samsung Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 rpm (I have one of these in my shuttle and it's darned fast because it's a single platter)
Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 'Heatpipe'
Plus case, PSU, etc that gave me a total of just over a $1000. Maybe by Spring I can slap two Western Digital Raptors in there under a RAID 0.
Suffice to say, I will be relatively okay with this for what I intend to do. Certainly should best my Shuttle by a mile and a half (it'll go on Craigslist or eBay to offset my purchase).
Should do well... as long as you don't try and edit video
For video editing, you REALLY need at least 2 drives
Trying to use only ONE Hard Drive for Video Editing
You are a music conductor, with a baton that you use to point to various parts of the orchestra... this is like Windows pointing to various parts of the hard drive to do Windows housekeeping or to load program segments for various functions
Now, at the same time and with the same hand... while still using the baton to conduct the orchestra... pick up a bow and play a fiddle... this would be doing something with your video file at the same time as all the other work
You as a person cannot do both at the same time with the same hand
A computer is a LITTLE better, in that it can switch from one kind of task to another very quickly... but not quickly enough for easy video editing
One hard drive is not as good as two which is not as good as three
I was obviously not clear enough. I am NOT going to have one single hard drive in this setup. I've got about half a dozen hard drives in this place, so at least two will go inside the new system. The question is, which ones in which way. Maybe I can actually set up a RAID 0.