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    News of Director 11

    Level 7
      Hi all,

      There hasn't been much news of Director updates lately. But there has
      been a number of questions about its future from people here. John
      Dowdell, an Adobe Developer Support person made some comments on his
      blog in the last few days speculating that Director's development cycle
      is over. He is not part of the Director team and was just guessing. The
      one positive result of his comment is that it has brought out some
      public comments from key people in the Director development team to set
      the record straight.

      See the blog at:
      http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd/archives/2007/06/golive_9.cfm#comments

      From Tridib Roy Chowdhury, Director of Products at Adobe
      Adobe has invested in a large engineering team which is working towards
      the next release of Director 11
      snip
      We are also getting ready to start the discussions on the Director 3
      year roadmap.

      K Venkatesh, Senior Program Manager, Director-Shockwave.
      Director-Shockwave combo is alive and kicking. The version 11 is due in
      2H07 and I manage the release program of Director and Shockwave.
      snip
      Stay tuned for more updates.

      regards
      Dean

      Director Lecturer / Consultant / Director Enthusiast
      http://www.fbe.unsw.edu.au/learning/director
      http://www.multimediacreative.com.au
      email: d.utian@unsw.edu.au


        • 1. Re: News of Director 11
          Level 7
          Thanks for the update Dean.

          Blogs like that are enough to make anyone nervous...

          Cheers

          Richard Smith


          • 2. Re: News of Director 11
            Samuel_Joseph_IV
            To do or not to do......

            So there is talk of Director 11

            I have a MacBook Laptop from Apple using Intel Chips. Since Director 10 (for Mac ) is written for PPC chips it runs slow on my MacBook

            So the question is...... Do I hold off for Director 11 (that may or may not ever see day light) - That would be updated to run on Intel Macs

            Or do I take advantage of a referb PPC-Mac and just use Director 10???
            • 3. Re: News of Director 11
              Level 7
              I just wish that I couldn't do without D10 and now D11 if and when it's
              released. Director MX does everything I need it to (I haven't had a call
              yet for DVD) and Director MX is the Windows XP of Multimedia development. I
              know I'll be forced to upgrade to Vista one of these days and I wouldn't be
              surprised if I'll be forced to upgrade Director as well.

              Such is the fate of those of us who are ruled by the microprocessors in our
              lives...I'm guessing that includes 98% of the population.

              I've been using Director since the days when it was called Videoworks (if I
              remember correctly) and I've seen the added utility of each new version drop
              like a typical cell phone call. I know there are many out there who can't
              wait for a new version, some because new features will allow them to develop
              more interesting projects and thus possibly enhance their income and some
              because, well, they have upgraditis. But I am also aware of the fascinating
              creativity that most previous versions of Director since about D7 allow us
              to tap into if we dig a bit rather than waiting for some canned code that
              will allow us to take the easy way out.

              etc, etc, etc.

              --
              Craig Wollman
              Lingo Specialist
              Word of Mouth Productions
              212-928-9581

              www.wordofmouthpros.com
              "Dean Utian" <d.utian@unsw.edu.au> wrote in message
              news:466E8C65.35A8A035@unsw.edu.au...
              > Hi all,
              >
              > There hasn't been much news of Director updates lately. But there has
              > been a number of questions about its future from people here. John
              > Dowdell, an Adobe Developer Support person made some comments on his
              > blog in the last few days speculating that Director's development cycle
              > is over. He is not part of the Director team and was just guessing. The
              > one positive result of his comment is that it has brought out some
              > public comments from key people in the Director development team to set
              > the record straight.
              >
              > See the blog at:
              > http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd/archives/2007/06/golive_9.cfm#comments
              >
              > From Tridib Roy Chowdhury, Director of Products at Adobe
              > Adobe has invested in a large engineering team which is working towards
              > the next release of Director 11
              > snip
              > We are also getting ready to start the discussions on the Director 3
              > year roadmap.
              >
              > K Venkatesh, Senior Program Manager, Director-Shockwave.
              > Director-Shockwave combo is alive and kicking. The version 11 is due in
              > 2H07 and I manage the release program of Director and Shockwave.
              > snip
              > Stay tuned for more updates.
              >
              > regards
              > Dean
              >
              > Director Lecturer / Consultant / Director Enthusiast
              > http://www.fbe.unsw.edu.au/learning/director
              > http://www.multimediacreative.com.au
              > email: d.utian@unsw.edu.au
              >
              >


              • 4. Re: News of Director 11
                Level 7
                Just to add, JD's blog post wasn't specially on Director. It 's main focus
                was the GoLive launch. He then anticipated likely
                questions by linking to the recent FreeHand FAQ, and said "No fresh word
                on Director or Authorware yet, but I don't expect much further evolution in
                either myself... expect the most Adobe investment in areas which are
                expanding most quickly."
                http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd/archives/2007/06/golive_9.cfm

                So was a small comment about Director not evolving. But, many here will
                know, the Director community is very sensitive, so people would read a lot
                into any reference made to it. Hopefully the comment by KV "Stay tuned for
                more updates" will happen in the Adobe Director product pages.

                regards
                Dean

                Director Lecturer / Consultant / Director Enthusiast
                http://www.fbe.unsw.edu.au/learning/director
                http://www.multimediacreative.com.au
                email: d.utian@unsw.edu.au


                • 5. Re: News of Director 11
                  Level 7
                  To me JD's speculation doesn't seem too far off the mark anyway. From what I
                  understand, the major feature of D11 upgrade is that it (and applications
                  built with it) will run natively under Vista...which while obviously vital
                  isn't *that* much of an evolution...

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                  • 6. Re: News of Director 11
                    Level 7
                    Peter Blumenthal wrote:

                    > To me JD's speculation doesn't seem too far off the mark anyway. From what I
                    > understand, the major feature of D11 upgrade is that it (and applications
                    > built with it) will run natively under Vista...which while obviously vital
                    > isn't *that* much of an evolution...
                    >

                    Hi Peter,

                    Another big update is Unicode text. I'm not sure if you've had much experience
                    in this area. It is quite a significant change to text treatment and would be a
                    very large job to implement. So, Director 11 is bound to be more than a
                    maintenance release.

                    As I've said before, Macromedia neglected Director and let bugs and cracks
                    develop in the code. Part of Adobe's update to the new Operating Systems is to
                    close as many of the cracks and legacy bugs and build a much stronger base for
                    future development. So, while Director 11 may not have the wave of new features
                    we'd all like to see (like 3D engine etc.), I'm hopeful it will be the start of
                    a stronger future under Adobe.

                    If Adobe really wanted to depreciate Director, the could have written it off now
                    and avoided OS updates and things like Unicode. To me, this investment of time
                    and resources shows they ARE NOT looking at Director as a short term thing.

                    regards
                    Dean

                    Director Lecturer / Consultant / Director Enthusiast
                    http://www.fbe.unsw.edu.au/learning/director
                    http://www.multimediacreative.com.au
                    email: d.utian@unsw.edu.au


                    • 7. Re: News of Director 11
                      Level 7
                      Hi Dean.

                      Fair points all.

                      Don't get me wrong, I love Director, and think it is a great application
                      that very little else on the market comes close too (right now anyway,
                      though some aspects of what Director is great for will also be covered by
                      AIR). I agree, at least in the mid-term it appears that Adobe don;t consider
                      Director a short term thing...;)






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                      • 8. Re: News of Director 11
                        Level 7
                        Peter Blumenthal wrote:

                        > Don't get me wrong, I love Director, and think it is a great application
                        > that very little else on the market comes close too (right now anyway,
                        > though some aspects of what Director is great for will also be covered by
                        > AIR). I agree, at least in the mid-term it appears that Adobe don;t consider
                        > Director a short term thing...;)

                        No worries Peter.

                        I also love Director. In the last few years, I felt Macromedia did not fully
                        appreciate / value what they had. I hope Adobe do not go down that road.

                        regards
                        Dean

                        Director Lecturer / Consultant / Director Enthusiast
                        http://www.fbe.unsw.edu.au/learning/director
                        http://www.multimediacreative.com.au
                        email: d.utian@unsw.edu.au


                        • 9. Re: News of Director 11
                          Level 7
                          Peter Blumenthal wrote:

                          > Don't get me wrong, I love Director, and think it is a great application
                          > that very little else on the market comes close too (right now anyway,
                          > though some aspects of what Director is great for will also be covered by
                          > AIR). I agree, at least in the mid-term it appears that Adobe don;t consider
                          > Director a short term thing...;)

                          No worries Peter.

                          I also love Director. In the last few years, I felt Macromedia did not fully
                          appreciate / value what they had. I hope Adobe do not go down that road.

                          regards
                          Dean

                          Director Lecturer / Consultant / Director Enthusiast
                          http://www.fbe.unsw.edu.au/learning/director
                          http://www.multimediacreative.com.au
                          email: d.utian@unsw.edu.au


                          • 10. Re: News of Director 11
                            Level 7

                            I wonder why adobe is so secretive about Director with all other
                            programs in the labs section. If they weren't, maybe the former Director
                            techstaff would even know about it's progress ;)

                            Anyway, being a freelancer now I'm very tempted to get myself a copy
                            when it's out. Pity is that it will take a lot of work to convince
                            clients they should pick Director over Flash for a number of obvious
                            reasons (obvious to us that is). Macromedia didn't really help there in
                            the last few years.

                            Manno

                            Dean Utian wrote:
                            > Just to add, JD's blog post wasn't specially on Director. It 's main focus
                            > was the GoLive launch. He then anticipated likely
                            > questions by linking to the recent FreeHand FAQ, and said "No fresh word
                            > on Director or Authorware yet, but I don't expect much further evolution in
                            > either myself... expect the most Adobe investment in areas which are
                            > expanding most quickly."
                            > http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd/archives/2007/06/golive_9.cfm
                            >
                            > So was a small comment about Director not evolving. But, many here will
                            > know, the Director community is very sensitive, so people would read a lot
                            > into any reference made to it. Hopefully the comment by KV "Stay tuned for
                            > more updates" will happen in the Adobe Director product pages.
                            >
                            > regards
                            > Dean
                            >
                            > Director Lecturer / Consultant / Director Enthusiast
                            > http://www.fbe.unsw.edu.au/learning/director
                            > http://www.multimediacreative.com.au
                            > email: d.utian@unsw.edu.au
                            >
                            >

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                            http://www.aloft.nl
                            • 11. Re: News of Director 11
                              Level 7
                              Manno Bult wrote:

                              > I wonder why adobe is so secretive about Director with all other
                              > programs in the labs section. If they weren't, maybe the former Director
                              > techstaff would even know about it's progress ;)

                              Hi Manno,

                              I think the reason it's not in labs (and of course this is my opinion only:) is
                              that Director isn't ready for a labs type setup. The programs in labs have a
                              solid foundation and have teams with extensive experience working on the product.
                              Director hasn't been updated for years. With such a long delay in an update,
                              there must be major technology changes, legacy issues, cracks and other neglect
                              to deal with. So, in this situation, it can be more problematic having too many
                              people involved (as a labs public prerelease). On the team front, Macromedia
                              reduced the development team quite a bit and a lot of good director engineers
                              went to other programs. Since the Adobe has taken over, a bunch of new people
                              have come onto Director. While it may seem Adobe has been in charge for a while
                              now, I would expect the Director team to first get over the hurdle of a new
                              release, new operating systems, and all the other issues I mentioned, before
                              opening themselves up in labs.

                              regards
                              Dean

                              Director Lecturer / Consultant / Director Enthusiast
                              http://www.fbe.unsw.edu.au/learning/director
                              http://www.multimediacreative.com.au
                              email: d.utian@unsw.edu.au


                              • 12. Re: News of Director 11
                                thismarty Level 1
                                I wonder (aloud) if there is anyone left on the day-to-day Director team with a firsthand knowledge of its history, community and potential?

                                Just wondering.
                                • 13. Re: News of Director 11
                                  Level 7
                                  Let me add an additional point. Vista, OSX native, and Unicode are the
                                  only PUBLIC features we are aware of.

                                  Charles P.


                                  Dean Utian wrote:
                                  > Peter Blumenthal wrote:
                                  >
                                  >> To me JD's speculation doesn't seem too far off the mark anyway. From what I
                                  >> understand, the major feature of D11 upgrade is that it (and applications
                                  >> built with it) will run natively under Vista...which while obviously vital
                                  >> isn't *that* much of an evolution...
                                  >>
                                  >
                                  > Hi Peter,
                                  >
                                  > Another big update is Unicode text. I'm not sure if you've had much experience
                                  > in this area. It is quite a significant change to text treatment and would be a
                                  > very large job to implement. So, Director 11 is bound to be more than a
                                  > maintenance release.
                                  >
                                  > As I've said before, Macromedia neglected Director and let bugs and cracks
                                  > develop in the code. Part of Adobe's update to the new Operating Systems is to
                                  > close as many of the cracks and legacy bugs and build a much stronger base for
                                  > future development. So, while Director 11 may not have the wave of new features
                                  > we'd all like to see (like 3D engine etc.), I'm hopeful it will be the start of
                                  > a stronger future under Adobe.
                                  >
                                  > If Adobe really wanted to depreciate Director, the could have written it off now
                                  > and avoided OS updates and things like Unicode. To me, this investment of time
                                  > and resources shows they ARE NOT looking at Director as a short term thing.
                                  >
                                  > regards
                                  > Dean
                                  >
                                  > Director Lecturer / Consultant / Director Enthusiast
                                  > http://www.fbe.unsw.edu.au/learning/director
                                  > http://www.multimediacreative.com.au
                                  > email: d.utian@unsw.edu.au
                                  >
                                  >
                                  • 14. Re: News of Director 11
                                    Level 7
                                    Is anyone else concerned about the xtra developers dissappearing? I see all
                                    the posts from people looking to update their projects and finding their
                                    isn't a compatible new version. This could be a pretty big problem indeed.
                                    We need some sort of xtra's graveyard site people can post their xtras, hand
                                    over the source, and they could get royalties, but I don't see this beeing a
                                    worthwile project or I'd do it myself.

                                    Timm


                                    • 15. Re: News of Director 11
                                      Level 7
                                      tr wrote:

                                      > Is anyone else concerned about the xtra developers dissappearing? I see all
                                      > the posts from people looking to update their projects and finding their
                                      > isn't a compatible new version. This could be a pretty big problem indeed.
                                      > We need some sort of xtra's graveyard site people can post their xtras, hand
                                      > over the source, and they could get royalties, but I don't see this beeing a
                                      > worthwile project or I'd do it myself.

                                      Hi Timm,

                                      I have spoken to Adobe people on the topic on the Xtra front, particularly after
                                      people posted here asking about the XDK (Xtra Development Kit). Some of what I
                                      was told can't be share publicly but the team is working towards supporting the
                                      Xtra community.

                                      I have also spoken to many Xtra Developers through my various Director
                                      endeavors, and more recently, when I updated the UpdateStage Mile High Table O
                                      Products.
                                      http://www.updatestage.com/external/the-mile-high-table-oproducts.html

                                      Unfortunately, the Xtras industry isn't large at the moment. There are a lot of
                                      Xtras around but not a lot of people buying. There are still many developers
                                      willing to keep their Xtras going and take on Xtras people no longer want to
                                      support. It is sad to see Xtras Developers leaving the market. The success of
                                      Xtras is dependent on the success of Director. So, let's hope Adobe can bring
                                      new life into Director's market.

                                      regards
                                      Dean

                                      Director Lecturer / Consultant / Director Enthusiast
                                      http://www.fbe.unsw.edu.au/learning/director
                                      http://www.multimediacreative.com.au
                                      email: d.utian@unsw.edu.au


                                      • 16. Re: News of Director 11
                                        Aquilonian Level 1
                                        As a Director fan , i dont see this as bad news
                                        Those Xtras stuff sux...the users are more likely to leave a site with director when, after they have to wait 5 minutes to play the game they find out that they now have to download another piece of idontknowwhat....and also to code, when you buy a product you want it to be complete, now you buy and have to keep buying little pieces of it all the time...none of this exists in the flash world and you can be sure thats one of the reasons that makes diredctor not as popular as it could be
                                        • 17. Re: News of Director 11
                                          Level 7
                                          Aquilonian wrote:

                                          > Those Xtras stuff sux...the users are more likely to leave a site with
                                          > director when, after they have to wait 5 minutes to play the game they find out
                                          > that they now have to download another piece of idontknowwhat....and also to
                                          > code, when you buy a product you want it to be complete, now you buy and have
                                          > to keep buying little pieces of it all the time...none of this exists in the
                                          > flash world and you can be sure thats one of the reasons that makes diredctor
                                          > not as popular as it could be

                                          Hi Aquilonian,

                                          I can understand what you're saying. When you create a web application, it is vital
                                          to consider the download experience for the user. However, the ability to have
                                          Xtras in Director is definitely a great strength of the product. With Xtras, you
                                          can extend the program to do virtually anything you want. While you buy a program
                                          to be complete, one person may require some features that others don't. So, if the
                                          main program has the core features and then specialised features are be extended
                                          through Xtras, then this is a good thing.

                                          There are many reasons why Flash has become so popular on the web and is far ahead
                                          of Director in this department. The download size, speed and experience all have
                                          contributed, all being better than Director. The Shockwave plugin is bigger than
                                          Flash because it encapsulates a lot more. So, Flash is actually limited by what it
                                          can do because it does not support plugins.

                                          regards
                                          Dean

                                          Director Lecturer / Consultant / Director Enthusiast
                                          http://www.fbe.unsw.edu.au/learning/director
                                          http://www.multimediacreative.com.au
                                          email: d.utian@unsw.edu.au

                                          • 18. Re: News of Director 11
                                            Level 7
                                            If you don't think it is worthwhile, then why even suggest it? Or are
                                            you just looking for an excuse to vent?

                                            I think we are going to see what Xtras can be counted on moving forward,
                                            after th D11 release. Based on my limited knowledge of the XDK, nearly
                                            all Xtras are going to need to be updated in some fashion with Vista and
                                            MacOSX Intel support.

                                            Charles P.


                                            tr wrote:
                                            > Is anyone else concerned about the xtra developers dissappearing? I see all
                                            > the posts from people looking to update their projects and finding their
                                            > isn't a compatible new version. This could be a pretty big problem indeed.
                                            > We need some sort of xtra's graveyard site people can post their xtras, hand
                                            > over the source, and they could get royalties, but I don't see this beeing a
                                            > worthwile project or I'd do it myself.
                                            >
                                            > Timm
                                            >
                                            >
                                            • 19. Re: News of Director 11
                                              Level 7
                                              I echo what Dean has to say as well.

                                              I agree that adding in a whole bunch of Xtras for online distributions
                                              can be a risk and even death to your product. Personally, when I look at
                                              Xtras, I am looking at them from a Projector based perspective.
                                              Projectors are where I seem to find the need for additional functionality.

                                              With that said, there are a number of Xtras what I would use for
                                              Shockwave distributions and they are very small in size. Pick on of the
                                              Buddy Xtras for example. Another would be vList or even Arca. These all
                                              add great functionality at a small cost.

                                              I will tell you where the biggest speed bump is for online distributions
                                              that have 3rd party Xtras is located. Signing! When casual surfers run
                                              across these VeriSign pop-ups, this is where we lose a number of them.
                                              I would love to see some sort of system run by Adobe where developers of
                                              Xtras could get their Xtra(s) validated by Adobe and marked as needing
                                              end-user authorized. Yes, there are a lot of logistics and legals that
                                              need to be hashed out with this, but in the end I think it would prove
                                              to be a benefit for the Shockwave platform.

                                              Charles P.



                                              Aquilonian wrote:
                                              > As a Director fan , i dont see this as bad news
                                              > Those Xtras stuff sux...the users are more likely to leave a site with
                                              > director when, after they have to wait 5 minutes to play the game they find out
                                              > that they now have to download another piece of idontknowwhat....and also to
                                              > code, when you buy a product you want it to be complete, now you buy and have
                                              > to keep buying little pieces of it all the time...none of this exists in the
                                              > flash world and you can be sure thats one of the reasons that makes diredctor
                                              > not as popular as it could be
                                              >
                                              • 20. Re: News of Director 11
                                                Level 7
                                                Charles Parcell wrote:

                                                > If you don't think it is worthwhile, then why even suggest it?....

                                                Charles - you've come in to a comment from Timm that is a result of discussions on
                                                multiple threads, one of which an Xtra developer was trying unsuccessfully to get
                                                the XDK from Adobe. With news that some Xtra developers are leaving, someone
                                                hearing these things can conclude that Xtras aren't getting the support from Adobe
                                                and are losing their viability in the industry. So, I read Timm's message as a
                                                wish to somehow save Xtras from disappearing and still give the creators of them
                                                some financial benefit. But, it is an idealistic wish, perhaps that what Timm was
                                                implying.

                                                Now, Timm and others are coming to conclusions from bits of info read here.
                                                However, this is a small part of the picture. I agree it is not a good thing for
                                                Xtra developers to be leaving. It is an indication they are not making a good
                                                income from their Xtras, which can be a reflection of a diminishing Director
                                                market. It is important for Director's market to grow and for Adobe to support the
                                                Xtra community so that there is an incentive for developers to stay and make
                                                money. I believe Adobe is making this effort.

                                                On the blog that started this thread, the Adobe Director team announced they are
                                                working on the 3 year road map. That shows a long term commitment. And I believe
                                                Adobe realise the importance of Xtras in the grand scheme of the program and its
                                                use,

                                                While many here have frustrations by apparent lack of action by Macromedia and now
                                                the wait for the next version by Adobe, we do need to be patient.

                                                regards
                                                Dean

                                                Director Lecturer / Consultant / Director Enthusiast
                                                http://www.fbe.unsw.edu.au/learning/director
                                                http://www.multimediacreative.com.au
                                                email: d.utian@unsw.edu.au



                                                • 21. News of Director 11
                                                  otterman Level 1
                                                  Dean- you truly are a die hard director buff-nobody can deny you that. Ive been following your comments on the rise and fall(?) of director now for a while (sure its over a year). Must say, i jumped ship a while ago-having specialised in director i got a little jumpy- so i branched out to other things (3d illustrations and animations)

                                                  The point im trying to make is i think macromedia/adobe hasnt done itself any favors-and most certainly failed on offering any support for their current and faithful users (Dean-No1)

                                                  Im affraid i cant share your confidence that director will rear its once beautiful head again! Shame-loved using director!
                                                  • 22. Re: News of Director 11
                                                    Level 7
                                                    otterman wrote:

                                                    > The point im trying to make is i think macromedia/adobe hasnt done itself any
                                                    > favors-and most certainly failed on offering any support for there current and
                                                    > faithful users (Dean-No1)
                                                    >
                                                    > Im affraid i cant share your confidence that director will rear its once
                                                    > beautiful head again! Shame-loved using director!

                                                    Hi Otterman,

                                                    I'm glad that you're still interested in Director enough to follow discussions in
                                                    forums;)

                                                    I agree that Macromedia had big failures in dealing with their Director market. I
                                                    have been involved with discussions with people at Macromedia and now Adobe, some
                                                    of which are part of a NDA arrangements (Non Disclosure Agreement). So, I have been
                                                    privy to some information not available to the entire community. I maintained
                                                    optimism for improvement from Macromedia even though signals were not good (like
                                                    not developing 3D further). But, now under Adobe, I think things are definitely
                                                    looking up. Adobe are interested in 3D, they have a wealth of resources and they
                                                    appear to be investing more in Director than Macromedia did in their last few
                                                    years.

                                                    You are right in my die hard fan status of Director. I will be up at around 2am
                                                    tonight/tomorrow for a Director eSeminar (which is on 9-10am US Pacific time).
                                                    http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/event/index.cfm?event=detail&id=872636&loc=en_us
                                                    Adobe are running a number of e-Seminars on Creative Suite. And I am very happy
                                                    they have included Director in this seminar product marketing.

                                                    Time will tell in how successful Adobe can be with bringing Director to glory
                                                    days.

                                                    If you'd like to email me directly (d.utian@unsw.edu.au), I can keep you posted on
                                                    when the above happens:)

                                                    regards
                                                    Dean

                                                    Director Lecturer / Consultant / Director Enthusiast
                                                    http://www.fbe.unsw.edu.au/learning/director
                                                    http://www.multimediacreative.com.au
                                                    email: d.utian@unsw.edu.au


                                                    • 23. Re: News of Director 11
                                                      otterman Level 1
                                                      I attended an adobe seminar in London the week before last myself-absolutlely no mention of director what so ever.

                                                      Anyways, nice one dean for offering to keep me in the loop-id appreciate that very much. Im feeling a little more optimistic towards directors future-may have to brush up on my lingo skills afterall.
                                                      • 24. Re: News of Director 11
                                                        Level 7
                                                        otterman wrote:

                                                        > I attended an adobe seminar in London the week before last myself-absolutlely
                                                        > no mention of director what so ever.
                                                        >
                                                        > Anyways, nice one dean for offering to keep me in the loop-id appreciate that
                                                        > very much. Im feeling a little more optimistic towards directors future-may
                                                        > have to brush up on my lingo skills afterall.

                                                        I attended a web conference earlier this year in Sydney (Adobe were main sponsor)
                                                        and the only time Director was mentioned was when someone in the audience asked
                                                        (and that person wasn't me).

                                                        Keep up those Director skills. Don't want you to miss the opportunity for big $
                                                        when the next Director boom kicks in:)

                                                        And I'm still waiting for the email:)

                                                        regards
                                                        Dean

                                                        Director Lecturer / Consultant / Director Enthusiast
                                                        http://www.fbe.unsw.edu.au/learning/director
                                                        http://www.multimediacreative.com.au
                                                        email: d.utian@unsw.edu.au

                                                        • 25. Re: News of Director 11
                                                          KVI
                                                          I'd be curious to know if the Director 11 developers (if there really will be a next release) have given consideration to support Adobe Media Player or Microsoft Silverlight...

                                                          Karl Knowles
                                                          Tallahassee, FL
                                                          • 26. Re: News of Director 11
                                                            _eyesonly
                                                            quote:

                                                            Originally posted by: Aquilonian
                                                            As a Director fan , i dont see this as bad news
                                                            Those Xtras stuff sux...the users are more likely to leave a site with director when, after they have to wait 5 minutes to play the game they find out that they now have to download another piece of idontknowwhat....and also to code, when you buy a product you want it to be complete, now you buy and have to keep buying little pieces of it all the time...none of this exists in the flash world and you can be sure thats one of the reasons that makes diredctor not as popular as it could be


                                                            While there are a number of xtras that are questionable, Xtras are the lifeblood of Director and have added many features that I use daily. The end user never has to pay for Xtras so I dont know what the OP is referring to. Director has a following of true craftsmen. Director can be made interoperable with a vast number of technologies due to its Xtras the same cannot be said for Flash. Also people tend to forget that there are markets other than annoying web gizmos even though they arent as high profile. Director truly shines as a standalone application dev environment and its web capabilities are second to none. Hats off to the Buddy API and VBScript Xtras, and the many xtras Developed by Valentin Schmidt. Let us not forget that Flash still cant do hardware accelerated 3d and we have entered an age of 3d interactivity. Adobe will do well by promoting Director, lest they allow other companies to sweep this burgeoning market away from them (if that hasn't happened already).
                                                            • 27. Re: News of Director 11
                                                              Level 7
                                                              KVI wrote:

                                                              > I'd be curious to know if the Director 11 developers (if there really will be a
                                                              > next release) have given consideration to support Adobe Media Player or
                                                              > Microsoft Silverlight...

                                                              Hi Karl,

                                                              From what Adobe have said publicly, the above support will most likely not happen
                                                              in Director 11 but possibly in D12. From all information given, Adobe are putting
                                                              their main focus into legacy issues, updating code base, getting it compatible with
                                                              MacIntel and Vista and adding Unicode. This can be seen at:
                                                              http://www.adobe.com/products/director/special/crossproduct/faq.html

                                                              If you're interested in suggesting the feature you mention, go to:
                                                              http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform
                                                              I know that form directs to people at Adobe that are involved with Director's
                                                              development have influence on the features.

                                                              regards
                                                              Dean

                                                              Director Lecturer / Consultant / Director Enthusiast
                                                              http://www.fbe.unsw.edu.au/learning/director
                                                              http://www.multimediacreative.com.au
                                                              email: d.utian@unsw.edu.au



                                                              • 28. Re: News of Director 11
                                                                Level 7
                                                                _eyesonly wrote:

                                                                > While there are a number of xtras that are questionable, Xtras are the
                                                                > lifeblood of Director and have added many features that I use daily...

                                                                Hi Eyesonly,

                                                                Very true. Once you start using some of the great Third Party Xtras, you can fully
                                                                appreciate what a great value they add to Director.

                                                                I was at the Director eSeminar just a while (12 hours) ago and the presenter made a
                                                                point of saying how important Xtras are to Director and how it really extends
                                                                Director to levels beyond Flash.

                                                                I'll post more about the eSeminar in a new email.

                                                                regards
                                                                Dean

                                                                Director Lecturer / Consultant / Director Enthusiast
                                                                http://www.fbe.unsw.edu.au/learning/director
                                                                http://www.multimediacreative.com.au
                                                                email: d.utian@unsw.edu.au



                                                                • 29. Re: News of Director 11
                                                                  Level 7
                                                                  Hi all,

                                                                  Was at the first of the 2 Adobe run eSeminars on Director. First, Thanks
                                                                  and a pat on the back go to Adobe for recognising the importance of giving
                                                                  Director some exposure and marketing through this event. Thepresenter was
                                                                  Tom Person, Adobe eLearning Evangelist.

                                                                  The eSeminar did not cover anything new, particularly if you're familiar
                                                                  with Director. It mainly introduced the program, showed some features and
                                                                  reassured people that Adobe value Director.

                                                                  There was a question session at the end where, not surprising, most of the
                                                                  questions revolved around Director 11 and the future. The participants did
                                                                  not sign an NDA so Tom could not give too much away. He pretty much covered
                                                                  what has been released publicly at places like:
                                                                  http://www.adobe.com/products/director/special/crossproduct/faq.html

                                                                  regards
                                                                  Dean

                                                                  Director Lecturer / Consultant / Director Enthusiast
                                                                  http://www.fbe.unsw.edu.au/learning/director
                                                                  http://www.multimediacreative.com.au
                                                                  email: d.utian@unsw.edu.au


                                                                  • 30. Re: News of Director 11
                                                                    Necromanthus Level 2
                                                                    quote:

                                                                    Originally posted by: Charles Parcell
                                                                    I would love to see some sort of system run by Adobe where developers of Xtras
                                                                    could get their Xtra(s) validated by Adobe and marked as needing end-user authorized.


                                                                    I subscribe.

                                                                    • 31. Re: News of Director 11
                                                                      Level 7
                                                                      necromanthus wrote:

                                                                      >
                                                                      quote:

                                                                      Originally posted by: Charles Parcell
                                                                      > I would love to see some sort of system run by Adobe where developers of Xtras
                                                                      > could get their Xtra(s) validated by Adobe and marked as needing end-user
                                                                      > authorized.

                                                                      >
                                                                      > I subscribe.

                                                                      Hi Remus,

                                                                      Why not enter it in the request form at:
                                                                      http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform
                                                                      As I said in another email, I know that form directs to people at Adobe that are
                                                                      involved with Director's development have influence on the features.

                                                                      If Adobe see there is a demand for this - many people asking for it, they may be
                                                                      inclinded to give it stronger consideration.

                                                                      regards
                                                                      Dean

                                                                      Director Lecturer / Consultant / Director Enthusiast
                                                                      http://www.fbe.unsw.edu.au/learning/director
                                                                      http://www.multimediacreative.com.au
                                                                      email: d.utian@unsw.edu.au


                                                                      • 32. Re: News of Director 11
                                                                        Level 7
                                                                        Dean,

                                                                        Thanks for keeping us up to date and all your hard work on behalf of
                                                                        Director!

                                                                        Timm


                                                                        • 33. Re: News of Director 11
                                                                          Necromanthus Level 2
                                                                          quote:

                                                                          Originally posted by: Dean Utian
                                                                          Hi Remus,

                                                                          Why not enter it in the request form at:
                                                                          http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform
                                                                          As I said in another email, I know that form directs to people at Adobe that are
                                                                          involved with Director's development have influence on the features.

                                                                          Dean,
                                                                          They (Adobe) are already dealing with a neverending list of (much more important) feature requests.
                                                                          I think this one (Xtras related) can wait.

                                                                          cheers

                                                                          • 34. Re: News of Director 11
                                                                            babymogul
                                                                            quote:

                                                                            Originally posted by: MartyPlumbo
                                                                            I wonder (aloud) if there is anyone left on the day-to-day Director team with a firsthand knowledge of its history, community and potential?



                                                                            At least with this and other Director forums like this, there is a glimmer of hope...

                                                                            As a Director user since its monochrome days, and who first explored creating multimedia using HyperCard (remember HyperTalk anyone? Still one of the most elegant and simple programming languages IMHO), it's sad to witness the same neglect on the part of Adobe (and Macromedia before them) that befell HyperCard. The only upside was the many of faithful HC users who migrated to Director once the hollow promises of Apple's Product Managers became so obvious.

                                                                            Director still has (again IMO) the best user interface of any timeline-based app; Flash gives me a headache and After Effects, despite its superiority in all things video, is cumbersome at best. Although, the make-it-look-like-Dreamweaver-and-every--other-Macromedia-product was unnecessary; I for one use so many different programs that do very different tasks that I could not possibly care if it "looks" like its sister products or not. (Sorry, that's a rant better left for another time)

                                                                            While I use Director far less than I did over the past decade -- I'd been creating dazzling theater-scale presentations until PowerPoint ruined everything by pandering to the base laziness of the average corporate exec who'd rather sacrifice quality for expediency by waiting until the evening before the event to even bother with his or her presentation -- I still use the Director to prototype for (and sometimes actually integrate with) AE video and animation projects. Even with the difficult to ignore issues, the program is still best in its class.

                                                                            With all the talk of handheld mm devices - and perhaps broadband speeds will further increase someday - surely Adobe recognizes the value of Director and its committed community.

                                                                            One can still dream, I suppose.
                                                                            • 35. News of Director 11
                                                                              Ferling
                                                                              I've read the thread and agree that some form of development must be going on. However, it could be exploratory, to determine feasibility, or it could be lack of resources due to releasing so many other key products (video production suite and photoshop, etc.).

                                                                              Fact remains that I still use MX2004. Much of my work is to replace DVD's programs that are difficult to navigate on PC's and that PC's are actually becoming the preferred playback device in the business world. I am fortunate to have a dedicated corporate audience, whose base install is still windows XP SP2 and primarily windows media v9 or higher. Even in a medical device field where a number of our clients are physicians whom own and favor Mac's -they still have access and use corporate regulated XP boxes. Surprisingly, I've never encountered or had to deal with releasing a "mac version" of anything.

                                                                              If Adobe never releases a new version, I can be assured that MX2004 will serve me well for the next few years. Which is time enough to learn something new, as web applications are becoming smarter, and may in fact, negate, obsolete, or give us better choices. I don't think Adobe won't lose sight of providing us tools to do what director already does, it just might not be called director.
                                                                              • 36. Re: News of Director 11
                                                                                Level 7
                                                                                Ferling wrote:

                                                                                > I've read the thread and agree that some form of development must be going on.
                                                                                > However, it could be exploratory, to determine feasibility, or it could be lack
                                                                                > of resources due to releasing so many other keys products (video production
                                                                                > suite and photoshop, etc.).

                                                                                Hi Ferling,

                                                                                I would not say the work being done on Director is simply exploratory or to
                                                                                determine the feasibility of developing it further. There is an enormous amount of
                                                                                work to upgrade Director MX 2004 because of the new Operating Systems and to deal
                                                                                with legacy issues. So, with the time and effort and cost that has gone into this
                                                                                upgrade, Adobe would be stupid if they were thinking it to be a short term test to
                                                                                see if it will be successful.

                                                                                It's good to hear you're having success with the current version and don't need
                                                                                anything new at this time. However, in a year or two, many of your clients may move
                                                                                to Vista so may be important for you to cater for those requirements. But,
                                                                                hopefully future versions of Director will provide you value beyond just Operating
                                                                                System support.

                                                                                I also see the web technology developing and becoming more sophisticated. But am
                                                                                hopeful that Adobe will put the resources to Director to let it evolve as well.

                                                                                regards
                                                                                Dean

                                                                                Director Lecturer / Consultant / Director Enthusiast
                                                                                http://www.fbe.unsw.edu.au/learning/director
                                                                                http://www.multimediacreative.com.au
                                                                                email: d.utian@unsw.edu.au


                                                                                • 37. Re: News of Director 11
                                                                                  Wayne_Hardy
                                                                                  I was a Director developer for a few years, then left the field about 5 years back. I am now needing to do a project that Director would be great for and I need to use it on the new Macs.

                                                                                  1) Should I hold out for Director 11 and, if so, does anyone know for how long yet?
                                                                                  2) If I cannot hold out that long, what are the alternatives for a project like I describe below?

                                                                                  (The project involves an electronic bulletin board on large LCD screens in a public area. While one announcement is on the screen, the category order of announcements coming next is scrolling on the bottom of the screen so a person knows how soon their area of interest will come up as the main anouncement. It would be dynamic in that it would get announcements in the form of graphics files placed in a folder structure.)

                                                                                  Thank you for any help on trying to predict the future!

                                                                                  whardy7
                                                                                  • 38. Re: News of Director 11
                                                                                    Level 7
                                                                                    Hi Wayne,

                                                                                    > I am now needing to do a project that Director would be great for and I
                                                                                    > need to use it on the new Macs.
                                                                                    >
                                                                                    > 1) Should I hold out for Director 11 and, if so, does anyone know for how long
                                                                                    > yet?

                                                                                    Would be good if you could. Director 11 will be out likely by the end of this year.

                                                                                    > 2) If I cannot hold out that long, what are the alternatives for a project
                                                                                    > like I describe below?
                                                                                    > The project involves an electronic bulletin board on large LCD screens in a
                                                                                    > public area....

                                                                                    There really isn't a program out there that quite matches Director's capabilities.
                                                                                    If Flash may be enough, then you coould consider it..

                                                                                    Anyway, good luck with it and keep an eye out for Director updates:)

                                                                                    regards
                                                                                    Dean

                                                                                    Director Lecturer / Consultant / Director Enthusiast
                                                                                    http://www.fbe.unsw.edu.au/learning/director
                                                                                    http://www.multimediacreative.com.au
                                                                                    email: d.utian@unsw.edu.au


                                                                                    • 39. Re: News of Director 11
                                                                                      OlandoCR Level 1
                                                                                      Wayne, because I also feel Director’s future is not totally clear, I am checking basically 4 additional options (just in case) which can be useful for you:
                                                                                      1. Quest 3D
                                                                                      2. Deep Creator
                                                                                      3. DX Studio
                                                                                      4. Anark Studio

                                                                                      Those have very strong integration between 2D and 3D

                                                                                      Good luck
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