13 Replies Latest reply on Apr 28, 2011 11:51 AM by ChasLaird

    Apparent Bug in Saving ACR Presets

    ChasLaird Level 1

      I was experimenting with some Camera Raw presets for a new camera and discovered that when I saved a preset for the Detail panel, some of the values were omitted.  Specifically, the preset did not save the values for Luminous Detail, Luminous Contrast, and Color Detail from the Noise Reduction section of the Detail Panel.  Shown below is a preset I saved with dummy values to illustrate this problem.  You can see that the three values I mentioned above are missing from the preset.  Would someone please try this on their computer to see if this is indeed a bug or if I have something else going on?

       

      I’m using Camera Raw 6.3 on a 64-bit Windows 7 computer.  Photoshop version is 12.0.3x64, and Bridge is version 4.0.4.2.  If this is an actual bug, maybe someone who has ACR 6.4RC could check to see if it’s still a problem in this newer version.

       

       

      <x:xmpmeta xmlns:x="adobe:ns:meta/" x:xmptk="Adobe XMP Core 5.2-c004 1.136881, 2010/06/10-18:11:35        ">
      <rdf:RDF xmlns:rdf="http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#">
        <rdf:Description rdf:about=""
          xmlns:crs="http://ns.adobe.com/camera-raw-settings/1.0/">
         <crs:Version>6.3</crs:Version>
         <crs:Sharpness>37</crs:Sharpness>
         <crs:LuminanceSmoothing>56</crs:LuminanceSmoothing>
         <crs:ColorNoiseReduction>37</crs:ColorNoiseReduction>
         <crs:SharpenRadius>+1.3</crs:SharpenRadius>
         <crs:SharpenDetail>27</crs:SharpenDetail>
         <crs:SharpenEdgeMasking>48</crs:SharpenEdgeMasking>
         <crs:HasSettings>True</crs:HasSettings>
        </rdf:Description>
      </rdf:RDF>
      </x:xmpmeta>

      Thanks,

      Chuck

        • 1. Re: Apparent Bug in Saving ACR Presets
          Noel Carboni Level 7

          I got a lot more - including I think the ones you're saying you're missing - when I tried it with 6.3, as shown below.

           

          Did you check all the boxes in the dialog asking you what you wanted to save?

           

          -Noel

           

          <x:xmpmeta xmlns:x="adobe:ns:meta/" x:xmptk="Adobe XMP Core 5.2-c004 1.136881, 2010/06/10-18:11:35        ">
          <rdf:RDF xmlns:rdf="http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#">
            <rdf:Description rdf:about=""
              xmlns:crs="http://ns.adobe.com/camera-raw-settings/1.0/">
             <crs:Version>6.3</crs:Version>
             <crs:ProcessVersion>5.7</crs:ProcessVersion>
             <crs:WhiteBalance>As Shot</crs:WhiteBalance>
             <crs:Exposure>-0.25</crs:Exposure>
             <crs:Shadows>0</crs:Shadows>
             <crs:Brightness>+50</crs:Brightness>
             <crs:Contrast>+25</crs:Contrast>
             <crs:Saturation>-8</crs:Saturation>
             <crs:Sharpness>15</crs:Sharpness>
             <crs:LuminanceSmoothing>40</crs:LuminanceSmoothing>
             <crs:ColorNoiseReduction>0</crs:ColorNoiseReduction>
             <crs:ChromaticAberrationR>0</crs:ChromaticAberrationR>
             <crs:ChromaticAberrationB>0</crs:ChromaticAberrationB>
             <crs:VignetteAmount>0</crs:VignetteAmount>
             <crs:ShadowTint>0</crs:ShadowTint>
             <crs:RedHue>0</crs:RedHue>
             <crs:RedSaturation>0</crs:RedSaturation>
             <crs:GreenHue>0</crs:GreenHue>
             <crs:GreenSaturation>0</crs:GreenSaturation>
             <crs:BlueHue>0</crs:BlueHue>
             <crs:BlueSaturation>0</crs:BlueSaturation>
             <crs:FillLight>0</crs:FillLight>
             <crs:Vibrance>0</crs:Vibrance>
             <crs:HighlightRecovery>0</crs:HighlightRecovery>
             <crs:Clarity>0</crs:Clarity>
             <crs:Defringe>2</crs:Defringe>
             <crs:HueAdjustmentRed>+1</crs:HueAdjustmentRed>
             <crs:HueAdjustmentOrange>+3</crs:HueAdjustmentOrange>
             <crs:HueAdjustmentYellow>+5</crs:HueAdjustmentYellow>
             <crs:HueAdjustmentGreen>-5</crs:HueAdjustmentGreen>
             <crs:HueAdjustmentAqua>-25</crs:HueAdjustmentAqua>
             <crs:HueAdjustmentBlue>0</crs:HueAdjustmentBlue>
             <crs:HueAdjustmentPurple>0</crs:HueAdjustmentPurple>
             <crs:HueAdjustmentMagenta>-3</crs:HueAdjustmentMagenta>
             <crs:SaturationAdjustmentRed>-5</crs:SaturationAdjustmentRed>
             <crs:SaturationAdjustmentOrange>-4</crs:SaturationAdjustmentOrange>
             <crs:SaturationAdjustmentYellow>+1</crs:SaturationAdjustmentYellow>
             <crs:SaturationAdjustmentGreen>+8</crs:SaturationAdjustmentGreen>
             <crs:SaturationAdjustmentAqua>-2</crs:SaturationAdjustmentAqua>
             <crs:SaturationAdjustmentBlue>-13</crs:SaturationAdjustmentBlue>
             <crs:SaturationAdjustmentPurple>-2</crs:SaturationAdjustmentPurple>
             <crs:SaturationAdjustmentMagenta>-2</crs:SaturationAdjustmentMagenta>
             <crs:LuminanceAdjustmentRed>-5</crs:LuminanceAdjustmentRed>
             <crs:LuminanceAdjustmentOrange>-3</crs:LuminanceAdjustmentOrange>
             <crs:LuminanceAdjustmentYellow>0</crs:LuminanceAdjustmentYellow>
             <crs:LuminanceAdjustmentGreen>+8</crs:LuminanceAdjustmentGreen>
             <crs:LuminanceAdjustmentAqua>+12</crs:LuminanceAdjustmentAqua>
             <crs:LuminanceAdjustmentBlue>0</crs:LuminanceAdjustmentBlue>
             <crs:LuminanceAdjustmentPurple>0</crs:LuminanceAdjustmentPurple>
             <crs:LuminanceAdjustmentMagenta>0</crs:LuminanceAdjustmentMagenta>
             <crs:SplitToningShadowHue>0</crs:SplitToningShadowHue>
             <crs:SplitToningShadowSaturation>0</crs:SplitToningShadowSaturation>
             <crs:SplitToningHighlightHue>0</crs:SplitToningHighlightHue>
             <crs:SplitToningHighlightSaturation>0</crs:SplitToningHighlightSaturation>
             <crs:SplitToningBalance>0</crs:SplitToningBalance>
             <crs:ParametricShadows>0</crs:ParametricShadows>
             <crs:ParametricDarks>0</crs:ParametricDarks>
             <crs:ParametricLights>0</crs:ParametricLights>
             <crs:ParametricHighlights>0</crs:ParametricHighlights>
             <crs:ParametricShadowSplit>25</crs:ParametricShadowSplit>
             <crs:ParametricMidtoneSplit>50</crs:ParametricMidtoneSplit>
             <crs:ParametricHighlightSplit>75</crs:ParametricHighlightSplit>
             <crs:SharpenRadius>+0.5</crs:SharpenRadius>
             <crs:SharpenDetail>100</crs:SharpenDetail>
             <crs:SharpenEdgeMasking>0</crs:SharpenEdgeMasking>
             <crs:PostCropVignetteAmount>0</crs:PostCropVignetteAmount>
             <crs:GrainAmount>0</crs:GrainAmount>
             <crs:LuminanceNoiseReductionDetail>100</crs:LuminanceNoiseReductionDetail>
             <crs:LuminanceNoiseReductionContrast>0</crs:LuminanceNoiseReductionContrast>
             <crs:LensProfileEnable>1</crs:LensProfileEnable>
             <crs:LensManualDistortionAmount>0</crs:LensManualDistortionAmount>
             <crs:PerspectiveVertical>0</crs:PerspectiveVertical>
             <crs:PerspectiveHorizontal>0</crs:PerspectiveHorizontal>
             <crs:PerspectiveRotate>0.0</crs:PerspectiveRotate>
             <crs:PerspectiveScale>100</crs:PerspectiveScale>
             <crs:ConvertToGrayscale>False</crs:ConvertToGrayscale>
             <crs:ToneCurveName>Custom</crs:ToneCurveName>
             <crs:ToneCurve>
              <rdf:Seq>
               <rdf:li>0, 0</rdf:li>
               <rdf:li>34, 22</rdf:li>
               <rdf:li>67, 60</rdf:li>
               <rdf:li>138, 144</rdf:li>
               <rdf:li>193, 204</rdf:li>
               <rdf:li>255, 255</rdf:li>
              </rdf:Seq>
             </crs:ToneCurve>
             <crs:CameraProfile>Camera Standard</crs:CameraProfile>
             <crs:CameraProfileDigest>F0D06C559756F7BD7331A9DB44BF84DD</crs:CameraProfileDigest>
             <crs:LensProfileSetup>LensDefaults</crs:LensProfileSetup>
             <crs:HasSettings>True</crs:HasSettings>
            </rdf:Description>
          </rdf:RDF>
          </x:xmpmeta>

          • 2. Re: Apparent Bug in Saving ACR Presets
            Jeff Schewe Level 5

            Not what I'm seeing when creating a user preset with ACR 6.4 RC:

             

            <x:xmpmeta xmlns:x="adobe:ns:meta/" x:xmptk="Adobe XMP Core 5.2-c004 1.136881, 2010/06/10-18:11:35        ">

            <rdf:RDF xmlns:rdf="http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#">

              <rdf:Description rdf:about=""

                xmlns:crs="http://ns.adobe.com/camera-raw-settings/1.0/"

               crs:Version="6.4"

               crs:Sharpness="50"

               crs:LuminanceSmoothing="29"

               crs:ColorNoiseReduction="25"

               crs:SharpenRadius="+0.8"

               crs:SharpenDetail="40"

               crs:SharpenEdgeMasking="20"

               crs:LuminanceNoiseReductionDetail="50"

               crs:ColorNoiseReductionDetail="50"

               crs:LuminanceNoiseReductionContrast="8"

               crs:HasSettings="True"/>

            </rdf:RDF>

            </x:xmpmeta>

             

             

            So, when you made your preset, did you include all three of the parameters; Sharpening, Luminance Noise Reduction and Color Noise Reduction?

            • 3. Re: Apparent Bug in Saving ACR Presets
              ChasLaird Level 1

              Jeff, thanks for your reply.  Yes, I checked all three boxes or I wouldn’t have gotten the values shown in my example for Luminance Smoothing, Color Noise Reduction, and Sharpening.  I just didn’t get all of the values for each.  Apparently the Mac version of ACR 6.4 RC is working correctly.  Has anybody tried it with the Windows version of 6.4 RC?

               

              After seeing Carl’s reply, I did another experiment and saved a preset with ALL of the values selected.  This time I did get all of the Luminance and Color noise reduction values just like Carl did.  However the issue is that when I just select the values for Details, i.e., Sharpening, Luminance Noise Reduction and Color Noise Reductions, some of the values are omitted as shown in my original example.  Carl, would you please repeat your test and just select the items in the Detail section?  Thanks, I would appreciate it.

               

              Chuck

              • 4. Re: Apparent Bug in Saving ACR Presets
                Noel Carboni Level 7

                Here's what I got with just the "Details" subset.  Same missing elements as yours.

                 

                <x:xmpmeta xmlns:x="adobe:ns:meta/" x:xmptk="Adobe XMP Core 5.2-c004 1.136881, 2010/06/10-18:11:35        ">
                <rdf:RDF xmlns:rdf="http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#">
                  <rdf:Description rdf:about=""
                    xmlns:crs="http://ns.adobe.com/camera-raw-settings/1.0/">
                   <crs:Version>6.3</crs:Version>
                   <crs:Sharpness>15</crs:Sharpness>
                   <crs:LuminanceSmoothing>40</crs:LuminanceSmoothing>
                   <crs:ColorNoiseReduction>0</crs:ColorNoiseReduction>
                   <crs:SharpenRadius>+0.5</crs:SharpenRadius>
                   <crs:SharpenDetail>100</crs:SharpenDetail>
                   <crs:SharpenEdgeMasking>0</crs:SharpenEdgeMasking>
                   <crs:HasSettings>True</crs:HasSettings>
                  </rdf:Description>
                </rdf:RDF>
                </x:xmpmeta>

                 

                These missing elements actually seem to be tied to the Process Version category:

                 

                   <crs:LuminanceNoiseReductionDetail>100</crs:LuminanceNoiseReductionDetail>
                   <crs:ColorNoiseReductionDetail>50</crs:ColorNoiseReductionDetail>
                   <crs:LuminanceNoiseReductionContrast>0</crs:LuminanceNoiseReductionContrast>

                 

                 

                -Noel

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                • 5. Re: Apparent Bug in Saving ACR Presets
                  ChasLaird Level 1

                  Carl, thanks for verifying that this issue is not unique to just my setup.  It’s really odd the parameters would be saved if ALL items are checked and saved in the preset, but some are omitted if only the Details items are selected.

                   

                  Hopefully, the 6.4 version for Windows will work correctly as the Mac version of 6.4 RC does for Jeff.  I generally wait until the final releases before installing them, so I’ll revisit this issue when 6.4 is released.

                   

                  Chuck

                  • 6. Re: Apparent Bug in Saving ACR Presets
                    Jeff Schewe Level 5

                    The difference between Process Version 2003 and 2010 would explain the differences. My preset was based on Process Version 2010. Process Version 2003 wouldn't have those parameters.

                    • 7. Re: Apparent Bug in Saving ACR Presets
                      ChasLaird Level 1

                      Noel.  Sorry, I meant Noel instead of Carl.

                       

                      Chuck

                      • 8. Re: Apparent Bug in Saving ACR Presets
                        ChasLaird Level 1

                        Jeff, I only use Process 2010, and I’m definitely entering values for all of the parameters including Luminous Detail, Luminous Contrast, and Color Detail. If Process 2003 is selected, these parameters can’t even be entered.

                         

                        Chuck

                        • 9. Re: Apparent Bug in Saving ACR Presets
                          Noel Carboni Level 7

                          Just to be clear:  Just checking the [ ] Process Version box causes those parameters to show up in the XML.  If the [ ] Process Version is UNchecked, those parameters are excluded from the XML.

                           

                          It's DEFINITELY a bug in 6.3!

                           

                          A programmer probably tied the inclusion of the parameters to the Process Version in code that's only executed if the [ ] Process Version checkbox is checked.

                           

                          -Noel

                          • 10. Re: Apparent Bug in Saving ACR Presets
                            ChasLaird Level 1

                            Very nice work, Noel.  This explains exactly what is going on and gives me a work around until the final version of ACR 6.4 is released (hopefully with a fix).

                             

                            Chuck

                            • 11. Re: Apparent Bug in Saving ACR Presets
                              Jeff Schewe Level 5

                              Noel Carboni wrote:

                               

                              A programmer probably tied the inclusion of the parameters to the Process Version in code that's only executed if the [ ] Process Version checkbox is checked.

                               

                              That's not what I'm seeing on the Mac 6.4RC. If the options of the noise reduction are set to PV 2010 and are adjusted, you DON'T need to have the Process Version in the saved preset in order to get those parameters in the preset. Note that if you create a PV 2010 preset and try to apply it to a PV 2003, then only those parameters that appear in PV 2003 are applied.

                              • 12. Re: Apparent Bug in Saving ACR Presets
                                Noel Carboni Level 7

                                Good info!  Either they fixed it or it's a PC-only problem.

                                 

                                I'm waiting for the release to move up to 6.4 myself.

                                 

                                -Noel

                                • 13. Re: Apparent Bug in Saving ACR Presets
                                  ChasLaird Level 1

                                  I just downloaded and installed the final version of Adobe Camera Raw 6.4 for Windows and wanted to let everyone know the issue discussed above is fixed.  You no longer have to check the Process Version to get all of the parameters in the Details panel to save correctly in a preset.  Thanks again to those who participated in this discussion.

                                   

                                  Chuck