16 Replies Latest reply on Mar 25, 2011 9:43 PM by zebras99

    I just need to change the color of the border

    Meema

      I've been using Dreamweaver since 2.0 and I have never had so much trouble with the learning curve in upgrades but CS5 is about to drive me crazy. Instead of hitting the ground running I have wasted enormous amounts of time relearning this reinvented wheel. Today I am just trying to figure out how to change a border color. Remember the good old days when you could change a table border/size/color/background using the buttons in the properties window? Well, apparently that was too easy. I've spent this whole day just trying to figure out this one thing. I've searched the Dreamweaver help menu - tells me how to select the table - great!  Please help me.

       

      I am on a Mac if that matters.

       

      Meema

        • 1. Re: I just need to change the color of the border
          Nancy OShea Adobe Community Professional & MVP

          Use the CSS properties panel.

           

               table {border: 6px outset red}

           

               th, td {border: 1px dotted green}

           

          Working with CSS Borders:

          http://w3schools.com/css/css_border.asp

           

           

          Nancy O.
          Alt-Web Design & Publishing
          Web | Graphics | Print | Media  Specialists 
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          • 2. Re: I just need to change the color of the border
            Meema Level 1

            Thanks for responding so quickly. I'm sure this is a clear answer for everyone but not me unfortunately. I see no way to insert this code into the CSS properties panel. [sigh]

             

            Meema

            • 3. Re: I just need to change the color of the border
              Nancy OShea Adobe Community Professional & MVP

              DW CS5 expects you to know fundamental HTML and CSS.  Without a working knowledge of code basics, this product will continue to frustrate you.

               

              My advice is to set aside DW.  Spend a few hours doing tutorials on the W3Schools site.  Afterwards, work through the DW CS5 tutorial below.   It will show you how to use the various panels to build a modern site layout.

               

              HTML & CSS Tutorials - http://w3schools.com/

               

              Creating  your first web site in DW CS5 -
              http://www.adobe.com/devnet/dreamweaver/articles/first_website_pt1.html

               

               

              Good luck,

               

              Nancy O.
              Alt-Web Design & Publishing
              Web | Graphics | Print | Media  Specialists 
              http://alt-web.com/
              http://twitter.com/altweb

              • 4. Re: I just need to change the color of the border
                Meema Level 1

                Thank you so much for your time, Nancy. Just to let you know, I've been working in Dreamweaver since 1990. I know how to work in code. I've successfully built many websites. Every upgrade until CS5 was a small learning curve that I quickly mastered. I have found CS5 to be convoluted and not user-friendly, even for someone who has been using DW for 21 years. In my search for answers today I Googled I HATE CS5 and stumbled across a website of postings by full time, professional ITs/web designers who had similar complaints that I have, which made me feel better in that I am not alone or dumb or crazy. 

                 

                All that said, I will figure this out somehow. I have been known to find my own workarounds from time to time.

                 

                Thanks,

                Meema

                • 5. Re: I just need to change the color of the border
                  Nancy OShea Adobe Community Professional & MVP
                  I know how to work in code.

                  In that case, open your CSS file and add the code I gave you in my first reply.  Change colors to suit your needs.  

                   

                   

                   

                   

                   

                  Nancy O.
                  Alt-Web Design & Publishing
                  Web | Graphics | Print | Media  Specialists 
                  http://alt-web.com/
                  http://twitter.com/altweb

                  • 6. Re: I just need to change the color of the border
                    Meema Level 1

                    Nancy,

                    That code inserted in the CSS.html puts a border around all tables - I just want to click on one table and change the border. I don't understand why this little function has to be so difficult, when once it was so easy. I'm not trying to be contentious or pick a fight with you. I'm beyond frustrated. I should not have to relearn a software every time there is an upgrade. It's absurd and I agree whole-heartedly with the techs who are using not very nice language describing their frustrations with CS5.

                     

                    This is my workaround for this particular page for right now because I can't spend anymore time on this - In the prop window I tagged it as a btnav class which in this case works. I'd really rather be able to CLICK ON THE DAMN TABLE AND CHANGE IT. But, this will do for now.

                     

                    Thanks anyway. Bygones

                     

                    a

                    • 7. Re: I just need to change the color of the border
                      Meema Level 1

                      One correction - from my dementia I said I have been working in DW since 1990 - wrong - 2000. It just feels like 21 years.

                       

                      Just shows you how crazed I am.

                       

                      a

                      • 8. Re: I just need to change the color of the border
                        osgood_ Level 8

                        Meema wrote:

                         

                        One correction - from my dementia I said I have been working in DW since 1990 - wrong - 2000. It just feels like 21 years.

                         

                        Just shows you how crazed I am.

                         

                        a

                         

                        After 10 years and the many websites you have built you really should know some  basic css knowledege. What you are asking is fairly novice stuff and I would have expected you to by now have set some time aside to learn how to manipulate the code and css yourself without the need for Dreamweaver doing it for you.

                         

                        It may sound harsh but believe me it saves you a lot of frustration.

                         

                        The answer to your question is:

                         

                        Select the table to which you want a border applied. Switch to code view and locate the table (it will be highlighted in the code)

                         

                        Add an 'id' or 'class' to the opening table tag - <table id="myTableStyle"

                         

                        In your css file:

                         

                        #myTableStyle {

                        border: 1px solid #000;

                        }

                         

                        Thats it!

                         

                        If you can take onboad some simple procedures like the ones above you will soon be the one who controls the website and not Dreamweaver.

                        • 9. Re: I just need to change the color of the border
                          Meema Level 1

                          Osgood,

                           

                          I appreciate the input I really do. This is, however, what I consider to be a workaround solution. I've been slicing and dicing and working inside code for a long time now. This particular website I'm updating now was created with CS3 several years ago. Now that I am relearning CS5 I discover the easy stuff, the stuff DW used to allow me to do, like click twice in the props window to change a table, or click once to change a font to italic or bold without having then to jump through four more steps, those easy things are gone now. So, when I could be spending my time slicing up different .js and creating cool effects, I've got to spend two days trying to figure out what was once so simple. I've been working with CSS for about 6-7 years now and the learning curve was a no-brainer, until CS5. Based on my web search yesterday I'm not the only one who feels that Adobe has managed to take a dynamic software and ruin it. All I have to say is, and this is my last word on this topic, Adobe better watch out, someone is going to figure out how to make a product that was once as good as Macromedia had when they launched DW. JMHO, so sue me.

                           

                          Regards,

                          Meema

                          • 10. Re: I just need to change the color of the border
                            phreaddee123 Level 2

                            hahaha.

                             

                            honestly if you have been working with dreamweaver since 2000 then you "should" know this.

                             

                            although I suspect you've been sucked into the lazy "lets do it all in design view" mentality.

                             

                            all those ******** about CS5 are in reality just lazy coders, who simply cannot, or dont want to move towards web standards.

                             

                            this is evident by the fact its 2011 and you are still using tables for layout.

                             

                            IF you've been coding for 11 years, you should have (at least for the past 5 years) been separating your content from your styles, which is all cs5 is prompting you to do.

                             

                            the reason the properties window doesnt give you easy style changes is for the above mentioned fact. by easily editing it there it will add it as an inline style, which DW cs5, smartly enough, has decided to make difficult for you, because its a crap way of doing things.

                             

                            if this very simple concept of putting all your styles into a separate css is too difficult for you then perhaps you should look at changing professions. if 11 years hasn't taught you anything yet, then it never will.

                             

                            if you use semantic markup, you will not hardly ever need to use the properties window, and if you set your id/class styles, then you can easily choose then from the dropdown.

                             

                            its really very simple...and i'll say this again because it needs to be said.

                            A POOR WORKMAN BLAMES HIS TOOLS!!!!

                             

                            sorry if this is harsh, a novice, fair enough, but 11years, come on man, lift your game!

                            • 11. Re: I just need to change the color of the border
                              Meema Level 1

                              "DW cs5, smartly enough, has decided to make difficult for you"

                               

                              Really?

                               

                              I am a true Bohemian. I believe in genuine diversity, i.e., I celebrate individuality and the many different ways a problem can be approached. In other words, I follow the old Chinese proverb, “Those who say it cannot be done should not interrupt the one doing it”. In regards to web design I choose not to be an ego-driven designer. Neither am I judgmental because I not only accept but I embrace that web design is really an art form and I think it is death to real innovation to set rigid standards on something as indefinable as art. I realize there are many who are further advanced in the technology than I am, but I certainly have adequate skill sets and, more importantly, I have experience.  When I first decided to learn html I knew I’d not be able to grasp it from the book HTML for Dummies, so I paid $100 an hour for a one-on-one trainer. Took nine lessons over three week period just to learn the very basics. I was using DW 2.0, which, btw, if you are not familiar, was design side software and I had to use BBedit to work in the code side. Then Macromedia fixed that in the next upgrade and I was off and running working, learning, experimenting, challenged and getting along fine. The sheer elegance of DW back then, making many basic functions easy, freed me up to explore Java scripts and plug-ins and then CSS.  I had no problem adapting to each upgrade after Adobe took over until the developers decided it was time to reinvent DW to force users to be more code driven. I like code, I have loved CSS but disagree that I am lazy because I still prefer to work in both the design and code in equal measure. I didn’t upgrade to CS4 - going from CS3 to CS5 so, of course, I didn’t realize that the game rules had changed, that Adobe had determined it was time to “make it hard” so as to force me to use the tool in a way they perceive to be more acceptable.

                               

                              Crazy me, I’ve been a Mac person since 1987, so my perspective is the classic, make it graphic, elegant, easy to use and inspirational for the masses, not just for the few who wish to feel intellectually/techonologically superior. Adobe has become, IMHO, a good ole boy club, restricting itself to only the elites of the tech world. If you like the changes in CS5 because you think everyone ought to think and create like you, then I say, you are the type Adobe wishes to develop for. But I also say, Adobe has effectively shut out a huge number of potential users both old and new, first with it’s arrogance and second with it’s bloated price tag. You know, the fewer people who buy DW the higher the price has to go for those who do. Just sayin’...

                               

                              Now others can have the last word - I've got work to do.

                              Meema

                              • 12. Re: I just need to change the color of the border
                                phreaddee123 Level 2

                                sorry to burst your bubble. It sucks when people tread on your toes. but reality check honey.

                                 

                                art is most certainly art, and freedom of expression within art is strongly encouraged, but computers, and software and technologies are not art, and never will be art, they are a way of transmitting and displaying art, but functionality wise - its all logic. 1 is 1 and 0 is 0, I have been a web designer/developer for 10 years myself, and I can create beautiful websites - but I would not even consider that those websites come even close to some of the most amazing artworks out there. it is almost laughable. its a job, and I love it, and I love to create function and form and make "art" come to life on a screen - but it aint ever art. it is always code. and code has rules dear. I'd love to be "bohemian" with code, but you know what? it wont work, it'll break and look **** and be useless...

                                 

                                BTW the standards are a w3 thing and not really adobe. Dreamweaver is a program that makes it easier for people who know and understand the specifications to put this into practice. if you want to go all "bohemian" and write code that will fail simply because you havent done it right is not a problem or a fault of the program, and just because it makes it more streamlined and easy to code in a more standard way, whilst making it slightly harder (but still doable) in a more backwards, and dare I say it lazy way, does not necessarily mean that adobe have gone all "elitist" on you. you've just had your blinkers on and have fallen behind...no use complaining over spilt milk - take my advice go to w3.org download the specs and then you know the boundaries you can work within, and once you know your boundaries then you can try and push them. i'm sure your border color question should be answered pretty easily.

                                 

                                but dont try and fall back on the whole "mac" user, designer BS... the html code was created by guys on macs...

                                and they are still "what you put in-is-what you get out" machines and nothing more. they do not think, and cannot create.

                                • 13. Re: I just need to change the color of the border
                                  osgood_ Level 8

                                  Meema wrote:

                                   

                                   

                                  I've been working with CSS for about 6-7 years now and the learning curve was a no-brainer, until CS5.

                                   

                                  Css hasn't changed, perhaps Dreamweaver has because it needs to keep pace with new developments.

                                   

                                  I accept that you most likely use Dreamweaver to automatically do a lot of work for you and that is maybe where you will always be frustrated because as the software phases out old and introduces new you will have to learn again, which yes can be very frustrating.

                                   

                                  If you learn to write css and the majority of html 'independent' of Dreamweaver moving from one version to another will be a breeze.

                                   

                                  By acquiring some basic knowledge of both html and css I can't emphasis how much it will unshackles you to do what you need to do and not be reliant on a piece of sofware.

                                   

                                  By all means learn in small steps as you go along but please learn. After 10 years I think its not a big ask, for your own sanity.

                                  • 14. Re: I just need to change the color of the border
                                    phreaddee123 Level 2

                                    actually I do tell a small white lie - I have seen some websites that are truly awe inspiring and amazing "artworks" if I may use the term, but not because they have pretty pictures slapped together in a table, but because they are coded so detailed and perfect that they do amazing things,

                                     

                                    and just like your traditional 'artists' - yes anyone can get paint and canvas and make something, but the great artists of all time are renowned for their brilliant attention to detail, technical knowledge of their medium and unsurpassed ability to create magic out of nothing.

                                    • 15. Re: I just need to change the color of the border
                                      ridingthebullet

                                      Meema, I have to agree with you. CS5 is not as user friendly as it could be. Like Nancy said though, yuo do have to have working knowledge of the newer versions of DW to undertand how to change things up. I remember when I first got it I was like "OMG- what the heck"? I was REALLY confused and just started clicking around, figuring out what button does what. I think what you're looking for as far as borders go is the tab down at the bottom called "properties". If you click on that and make it visible while the table is selected in the visual editor, you should be able to change the size, color, with, cell padding, and so on in the properties window. You can also select the table in the visual editor, and then go to "modify", then "table", and should be able to find the properties there.

                                      • 16. Re: I just need to change the color of the border
                                        zebras99

                                        I am in idiot.  But i did  spend 15 minutes reading a few things and I quickly discovered that all of our old knowledge of DW's past versions (manipulating HTML) needs to be thrown out the window, replaced with the current HTML/CSS model.

                                         

                                        So yes, unload your brain and refill with new model and you will be just fine....the key is to let go of the past and embrace the future.  CSS is the future.