19 Replies Latest reply on Apr 26, 2011 12:22 PM by RjL190365

    Laptop for cs4 premiere pro advise

    mancat1

      Hi

      I was wondering to get a new laptop and I was wondering if this product is suitable for running premiere pro cs4,

      looking forward for your response.

       

      ProcessorAMD Athlon™ II X2 P340 Processor
      - 2.2 GHz
      - 1.8 GHz HT (3600 MT/s)
      - 2 x 512 KB L2 Cache
      - Dual-core
      Operating SystemGenuine Windows® 7 Home Premium 64-bit
      RAM- 4GB installed DDR3 RAM
      - Supports up to 4GB maximum RAM
      Graphics cardIntel® Graphics Media Accelerator 4500M
      - up to 1695 MB total available graphics memory
      Screen typeLCD widescreen
      Screen resolution- WXGA
      - 1366 x 768
      Screen size15.6"
      Screen features- LED backlight
      - HP BrightView display
      Hard drive500GB SATA hard drive
      Optical disk driveLightScribe SuperMulti DVD±R/RW with Double Layer Support
      Memory card readerYes, 5-in-1 (Secure Digital cards, MultiMedia cards, Memory Stick, Memory Stick Pro or xD Picture cards)
      USB3 x USB 2.0
      FireWireNo
      Modem/EthernetIntegrated 10/100BASE-T Ethernet LAN (RJ45 port)
      WiFi802.11 b/g/n WLAN
      BluetoothNo
      Video interface1 x HDMI
      1 x VGA
      Audio interfaceStereo headphone-in
      Microphone-out
      TV output1 x HDMI (digital video/audio)
      1 x VGA (analogue video)
      Extension card slotNo
      SoundAltec Lansing speakers
      WebcamYes, 1.3 megapixels
      Keyboard & MouseFull size keyboard with One touch launch keys and Action keys
      Touch Pad with On/Off button and 2-way Scroll pad support
      Battery- 6-cell lithium-ion battery
      - Up to 4.75 hours battery life
      Accessories includedPower cable, AC adapter, battery, documentation

        • 1. Re: Laptop for cs4 premiere pro advise
          Harm Millaard Level 7

          NO.

           

          Way too underpowered, below minimum requirements and an utter waste of money.

          • 2. Re: Laptop for cs4 premiere pro advise
            vipul vaibhav Adobe Employee

            Yeah. It's underpowered for cs4, and for cs5 it would be unusable.

            • 4. Re: Laptop for cs4 premiere pro advise
              mancat1 Level 1

              Thanx, could someone explain why is it under powered hard drive? graphic card?

              is 4 GB ok or 6 GB all comments welcome

              • 5. Re: Laptop for cs4 premiere pro advise
                John T Smith Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                AMD does not have some special instructions that are in Intel chips, and which are used for video editing... so an AMD processor is slower

                .

                Go read at Premiere Pro CS4 Benchmark http://ppbm4.com/
                .

                You need at least TWO hard drives... physical hard drives, not a big drive with partitions

                .

                OS and PPro on boot drive... all data on second drive... as a MINIMUM

                .

                My 3 hard drives are configured as... (WD = Western Digital)
                1 - 320G WD Win7 64bit Pro and all programs
                2 - 320G WD Win7 swap file and video projects
                3 - 1T WD all video files... read and write
                .
                Trying to use only ONE Hard Drive for Video Editing
                .
                You are a music conductor, with a baton that you use to point to various parts of the orchestra... this is like Windows pointing to various parts of the hard drive to do Windows housekeeping or to load program segments for various functions
                .
                Now, at the same time and with the same hand... while still using the baton to conduct the orchestra... pick up a bow and play a fiddle... this would be doing something with your video file at the same time as all the other work
                .
                You as a person cannot do both at the same time with the same hand
                .
                A computer is a LITTLE better, in that it can switch from one kind of task to another very quickly... but not quickly enough for easy video editing
                .
                One hard drive is not as good as two which is not as good as three

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                • 6. Re: Laptop for cs4 premiere pro advise
                  Harm Millaard Level 7

                  Thanx, could someone explain why is it under powered hard drive? graphic card?

                  is 4 GB ok or 6 GB all comments welcome

                   

                  Only the CPU, memory, integrated graphics, display and hard disk are below specs and underpowered. That is all that is wrong with it. The keyboard and the touch pad are OK.

                   

                  In all it is a no go. See Adobe Forums: System requirements for CS5

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                  • 7. Re: Laptop for cs4 premiere pro advise
                    mancat1 Level 1

                    Thanks 4 the info I decided to abandon the idea of a laptop and just go 4 a desk top, just one last question is this still unpowered

                    or can I just add a external hard drive if need be;

                     

                    ProcessorAMD Athlon™ II X2 245 Processor
                    - 2.9 GHz
                    - 2.0 GHz HT (4000 MT/s)
                    - 2 x 1MB L2 Cache
                    - Dual-core
                    Operating SystemGenuine Windows® 7 Home Premium 64-bit
                    RAM- 4GB installed DDR3 RAM
                    - 4GB maximum RAM capacity across 2 DIMM slots
                    Graphics cardATI Radeon 3000 series graphics
                    - up to 1.87GB shared memory
                    Hard drive750GB SATA II 7200rpm
                    Optical disk driveDVD Writer with LightScribe, double layer
                    Memory card reader6-in-1 memory card reader
                    USB6 x USB 2.0
                    FireWireNo
                    Modem/EthernetRJ45 Ethernet port (10/100 Fast Ethernet)
                    WiFiNo
                    BluetoothNo
                    Video interfaceVGA
                    Audio interface3 analogue audio jacks
                    TV outputVGA (analogue video)
                    Extension card slot2 x PCI-Express x1
                    SoundHigh Definition Audio 5.1Ch
                    Keyboard & MouseUSB keyboard and mouse
                    Accessories includedKeyboard, mouse, power cord, documentation
                    Software includedHP Power Assistant; Windows Live Applications; Cyberlink  DVDSuite; HP Music Station; HP Games Console; Norton Online Backup  (30-day trial); EasyBits Magic Desktop; Microsoft Internet Explorer;  Adobe Reader; Adobe Flash Player
                    Size175 x 414 x 387 mm (W x D x H)
                    Weight7.5 kg
                    • 8. Re: Laptop for cs4 premiere pro advise
                      John T Smith Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                      Intel CPU chips have hardware commands that AMD chips do not have... since those hardware commands are used by PPro for video editing, any AMD computer has less power

                       

                      Back on the Hardware main page, look UP and click the drop down list and read all of the FAQ articles

                       

                      To buy a ready made video editing computer http://www.adkvideoediting.com/

                      • 9. Re: Laptop for cs4 premiere pro advise
                        RjL190365 Level 4

                        That configuration is not recommended for even CS4, let alone CS5. Because of the shortcomings of the AMD CPUs, that Athlon II x2 245 would be slower than most of the now-obsolete Intel Core 2 Duo CPU-based systems in Premiere even when properly tuned. Integrated graphics is also a no-no for any "prosumer" video editing program; a discrete graphics card is REQUIRED. What's more, that particular system is built on a motherboard with absolutely no PCIe-x16 slot at all, making graphics card upgrades extremely difficult; as a result, you'd be permanently stuck with integrated onboard video with that system. And one single hard drive is nowhere near enough; at least two (but preferably three or more) hard drives are required. And the case that that system is housed in is so cramped that you might have trouble installing even a second internal hard drive into that case - and none of the USB 2.0 external hard drives are suitable at all for a work drive for editing (they are OK for storage) due to the maximum practical transfer rate of USB 2.0 High-Speed of only about 31.5 MB/s for a single device. Worst of all, that HP is loaded with bloatware that cannot be easily uninstalled, resulting in that system becoming slower than even a very old Pentium 4.

                         

                        And I think you meant "underpowered", not "unpowered". "Underpowered" is clearly the case with this particular desktop configuration.

                        • 10. Re: Laptop for cs4 premiere pro advise
                          Harm Millaard Level 7

                          If you want an elderly, handicapped snail, that brakes before cornering, you are OK. Such a system is only 100 - 150 times slower than a fast system. It would have been great in the time of Premiere 4.0 and even in Premiere 5.0/5.1, but now is it utter s**t and a complete waste of money.

                           

                          Sorry for the blunt message, but you obviously haven't read the info available on this forum.

                          • 11. Re: Laptop for cs4 premiere pro advise
                            RjL190365 Level 4

                            I wholeheartedly agree, Harm. Especially when the OP can get an i7-2600(K) or an i7-950 build that performs dozens of times faster than that AMD pre-built for not all that much more money. A build with 12GB or more RAM, a discrete GeForce GTX 550 Ti and three 1TB hard drives using either one of those two Intel i7 CPUs would cost about double to triple that of that HP AMD pre-built, but would perform far faster than that AMD pre-built in Premiere CS4 or CS5.x. Because of this, that AMD pre-built would be much, much worse in BFTB than either of the two Intels I mentioned.

                             

                            Now, don't get me wrong: That AMD pre-built would have been a fine choice if the OP were to never edit video or play newer games on it. And I'm not against AMD per se; it's just that its current CPUs lack certain features (especially support for SSE 4.x) that newer versions of Premiere make very good use of. Checking the 13 April 2011 edition of the PPBM5 results list, only one AMD CPU-based system landed in the top 25% (Q3 or better) of all systems on that list - and that was a heavily-overclocked X6 hexa-core system. Most of the other AMD CPU-based systems on the PPBM5 list ranked in the bottom half (Q1 or worse).

                             

                            And even getting Intel does not guarantee superior performance: The other components should be well matched to the CPU. I have seen relatively recent (Nehalem, Westmere or Sandy Bridge) Intel systems fall to the bottom half (Q1) or even the bottom 25% (D1) of the PPBM5 results list. On another note, only one pre-Nehalem Intel system even ranked in the upper half (Med) on that list (and that was a dual-CPU workstation with a whopping 40GB of RAM).

                            • 12. Re: Laptop for cs4 premiere pro advise
                              mancat1 Level 1

                              thank you for your advise but when l was looking at the requirments for CS5 it did mention something like intel or AMD so I am still looking around for something that wil  run photoshop/ illustrator/ after effects I don't anything that will run encore or onlocation yet.

                              • 13. Re: Laptop for cs4 premiere pro advise
                                John T Smith Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                AMD will run the program, Intel will run the program BETTER

                                 

                                http://forums.adobe.com/thread/810750?tstart=0

                                • 15. Re: Laptop for cs4 premiere pro advise
                                  mancat1 Level 1

                                  ...but apart from the AMD instead use intel would the computer be alright to use

                                  • 16. Re: Laptop for cs4 premiere pro advise
                                    Bill Gehrke Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                    Dump the ATI graphics card

                                    • 17. Re: Laptop for cs4 premiere pro advise
                                      RjL190365 Level 4

                                      If the OP is going to run CS4 rather than CS5, then it doesn't matter: CS4 has no MPE acceleration whatsoever regardless of GPU.

                                      • 18. Re: Laptop for cs4 premiere pro advise
                                        John T Smith Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                        mancat1 wrote:

                                         

                                        ...but apart from the AMD instead use intel would the computer be alright to use


                                        I will repeat what I said before...

                                         

                                        You need at least TWO hard drives... physical hard drives, not a big drive with partitions

                                        .

                                        OS and PPro on boot drive... all data on second drive... as a MINIMUM

                                        .

                                        My 3 hard drives are configured as... (WD = Western Digital)
                                        1 - 320G WD Win7 64bit Pro and all programs
                                        2 - 320G WD Win7 swap file and video projects
                                        3 - 1T WD all video files... read and write
                                        .
                                        Trying to use only ONE Hard Drive for Video Editing
                                        .
                                        You are a music conductor, with a baton that you use to point to various parts of the orchestra... this is like Windows pointing to various parts of the hard drive to do Windows housekeeping or to load program segments for various functions
                                        .
                                        Now, at the same time and with the same hand... while still using the baton to conduct the orchestra... pick up a bow and play a fiddle... this would be doing something with your video file at the same time as all the other work
                                        .
                                        You as a person cannot do both at the same time with the same hand
                                        .
                                        A computer is a LITTLE better, in that it can switch from one kind of task to another very quickly... but not quickly enough for easy video editing
                                        .
                                        One hard drive is not as good as two which is not as good as three

                                         

                                        If all you do is SD (Standard Definition) video, and you add a 2nd internal 7200rpm hard drive, you will be OK

                                         

                                        Do not attempt HD (High Definition) video with that computer

                                         

                                        Do not even THINK about trying to edit AVCHD

                                         

                                         

                                         

                                        • 19. Re: Laptop for cs4 premiere pro advise
                                          RjL190365 Level 4

                                          The biggest problem with those low-end PCs is that their maximum memory expansion support is too low. Only 4GB of RAM maximum - total. Premiere CS4 and especially CS5 needs way more than 4GB to run its best. And in my own testing, it really needs more than 12GB of RAM for optimal performance, especially since there is a significant improvement in the MPEG-2 SD DVD encoding performance with 16GB of RAM over what's achieved with 12GB of RAM. The trouble with those low-end PCs is that they do not support anywhere near enough memory to achieve even decent performance, let alone optimal performance.