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The performance difference between the WD and F3 is marginal. I would let price and local availability be the deciding factor.
I appreciate your comments.
All parts are local when they arrive from n-egg.
I'll post the build on it's own thread and invite some serious comments.
Still curious if anyone has tried these 2 different drives set up in R-O off the mobo and tested.
I appreciate the time you&Bill have donated to ppbm and I've checked the results often.
I'm looking to build a system similar to Randall's Dark Horse that seems to keep rising towards the top.
Does he post here?
Randall is a regular at DVInfo.net. He contributes quite a lot over there and is very knowledgeable.
I just looked at Randall's Black Horse results as well as the specs. on Asus's P8P67 Pro board and have the following to share:
1) Cloning much of what Randall has done here indeed sounds like an awesome recipe for strong performance and high BFTB
2) Suggest 2x64GB Crucial C300 SSDs for boot OS and programs (on the two Intel 6GB ports); use for OS, programs, Windows swap, Premiere CS5 media cache and media cache DB - these drives are good for reads of over 600MB/sec and writes around 140/sec in RAID 0 (disclaimer, I don't know where Intel's on-board 6GB SATA and drivers are, but if they don't work this well yet, Intel will probably fix it in coming months); you could save a few dollars here and go w/ 1TB drives in RAID 0 (I prefer the Black 64MB cache drives over the Samsung for this purpose) then you could save somewhere around $75 and performance would still rock for CS5.
3) Suggest 4x1TB Hitachi 7k1000 1TB's (7200 rpm, several generations old, HIGH BFTB) on a single RAID 0; use for media, projects, and export (on the four 3GB Intel ports); I do use partitions to keep things organized and find that having one big array like this performs very close, and better for some things like Photo editing, than two separate RAID 0- arrays; note that while I am not a 1000+ poster here on this forum, in the past 6 months I have done lots of reading, tuning, tweaking, and have run the PPBM5 benchmark over 100 times now on two of my own systems
(sidebar - building a high BFTB system today does differ from building one even a year ago due to: 16/24GB of RAM is very affordable now, 32nm technology has finally dropped below $400 - aka Sandy Bridge, new 7200 1TB hard drives can be purchased for less than $60)
4) Suggest outboard eSATA backup of some kind (ie single 3TB 5400rpm) for doing an Image backup for your primary partition (boot OS, programs, etc) and also file level or image backup for you data array(s)
5) Suggest good case and P/S
6) You will need a good CPU cooler to approach Randall's OC
7) Building a PC is not hard, but setting everything up properly takes lots of hours; many of us here obviously enjoy that time - if you do not, buy an ADK solution! (they really know what they are doing, and just because there is lots of great information this site and the www in general, building a strong, high BFTB CS5 system is NOT trivial!!!); If you read nothing other than Harm's useful posts on this site alone in one sitting you'd be here for days
A) What is your budget?
B) What is your complete build list so far?
C) And, just out of curiosity, how many hours have you spent so far "reasearching" what you will be doing and how many hours do you think that you will take to finalize hardware, assemble the hardware, load and configure the whole system? (i.e. are you REALLY sure you REALLY want to do this!?)
And by all means Good Luck!
I've been reading up on this since late last fall. The problem is the more I read, the more I realize I have to learn. I can build just about anything and enjoy the challenge. Not looking to place in the top few on the PPBM, Just looking to get a fast system that will require a minimum amount of power as well. One of the reasons I'm looking at the more expensive/efficient PSU. I Not sure I want to go with the SSD raid0 for OS. Thought most people said to run away from raid0 for the OS.
To answer your A&B I posted the list below.
Trying to use this as a UPS backup.
And this for NAS backup:
- Synology DS211J Diskless System DiskStation 2-bay NAS Server for Small Office and Home Use
- Model #:DS211J
- Item #:N82E16822108065
- Return Policy:Standard Return Policy
- In Stock
- SAMSUNG Spinpoint F4 HD204UI 2TB 5400 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
- Model #:HD204UI
- Item #:N82E16822152245
- Return Policy:Standard Return Policy
- In Stock
$89.99 -$10.00 Instant $159.98 Subtotal: $369.97
Here's what's on the wishlist as of now.
For the most part, love your new build list.
Don't like your NAS and would prefer a stronger primary drive setup, but as you probably can tell I'm not with the majority of guru's here when I say that! See details below...
Regarding i7-2600k, buy that at a local Micro Center if you have one close by to save some $$$.
Regarding backup, as I suggested before, simply connect to the extra eSATA speeds; a NewEgg review of the DS211 was saying "fast" and reporting 30-35MB/s from PC to the NAS; I use two $36 1TB refurb Hitachi 1TB 7k1000.c drives in RAID 0 and image backups sustain rates of 110 to 220MB/S (using just a single drive is right at half as fast for the streaming writes but still way faster than the NAS); the higher speed is for empty drives and most hard drives seem to write when they are almost full at about half speed. For only $72 for 2TB of storage with this kind of speed, I'm pretty happy and I have two sets of backup drives - I keep one set local and the other set is off site and I rotate them every month or two.
Then, with all that savings for the backup, go back with your RAID 0 boot idea and get some good imaging software to backup your OS in case of trouble, or in the event that something you add or change to your system messes everything up. Why RAID 0, not for running CS5 but for: starting a browser window (1/2 second), starting Bridge (1 second), starting Photoshop (2 seconds), starting Premiere (less than 3 seconds), browsing works noticeably faster (didn't expect this, my download speed is only 1.5MB/sec, but it is true it feels faster indeed).
After my ranting along, if you still want to stick with a single drive OS at least consider a 300GB Velociraptor (price for them has really come down) or a 640GB F4 or WD 1TB 64MB Black. Why larger even though you do not need the space? Well, think of it as a RAID 0 built within the shell of the hard drive itself; within a given series of hard drive, the larger you get, the more platters that stick into the case - and more platters, more potential data reading and writing for the same rotational speed. You will notice that the hard drive vendors say that within a given series of drive they all have the same specs., however benchmarks have proven some differences (not huge like RAID 0 where you are getting 2 times the controllers in your drives and on your MB, but faster nevertheless).
Also note that when I suggested 4x1TB for a RAID 0 drive and putting OS/programs/swap/scratch/media cache and media cache DB on the 2xSSD RAID 0 drive this will not likely be the best way to run with a single 320GB boot drive; you will want to use the often described more traditional way of configuring which is well documented around here of you stick with the 320GB single drive plan.
When you talk about backups, are the drives you are using inside your case?
I'm still trying to justify I really need to spend the extra $100 on the full size HafX. Could get by with the mid tower Storm Scout or the HAF 922. Not sure if the bigger case would be easier for backups? Or would an external drive case like a Roswill be handy with the esata connection?
My thoughts on the NAS was to provide backup that could be accessed by family miles away. As well as trying a few security cameras that I could access while off location. Never thought of producing an image of a drive.
Regarding the different options you posed for the OS/C: drive, how much slower would the Sam.F4 be than the SSD raid or V-raptors?
Now I can brew a pot of coffee after I click to open firefox. Not quite that slow, but close....
Regarding "are the drives inside your case" - This sounds like a simple question I guess, but I do it different ways, and in my case always using SATA not eSATA because I use hardware RAID controllers for most of my drives and have plenty of spare Intel onboard channels available:
- favorite - Supermicro hot-swap bays
- used to be favorite - Kingwin 1000 hot swap 5.25" bay adapters (perfer this model than anything they have with a small, noisy, and unrealible fan)
- next best - I feed two SATA cables and two power out the back of the PC (left dangling when not in use; not a big deal as my PC is in a air cooled cabinet with a rear access closet behind the PC)
- worst, but really not too bad if you have a quick to remove side on your case - simply remove case door, plug in drives and reboot!
Note that I always cold boot when I add drives even though sometimes the drives sit in hot-swap bays.
Regarding your case selection, you can save some serious cash by going with the HAF-922 and it is a great case; the Scout is more "cramped" and has less expansion room.
Regarding the HD vs. SSD, single vs. RAID 0, etc., I suggest Googling the www - there is lots of information and reviews, mostly at the gamer, overclocking, and PC enthusiest sites. Since boot drive speed doesn't really impact Adobe's software much one it is up and running, most folks on this forum are opposed to anything past a single spinning drive for the OS and programs "to save money". For me, nothing less than 2xSSDs in RAID 0 will work for me, especially when 2 Crucial 64GB C300 6GB SSDs can be had for around $200 for the pair.