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      • 15. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
        Steve C2 Community Member

        Hi Rick,

         

        Thanks for the tip.

         

        Steve

        • 16. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
          Steve C2 Community Member

          Hi RY,

           

          Thanks.  I didn't consider this approach and I will be sure to try it.

           

          Steve

          • 17. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
            buzshaws

            Considering all the comprehensive features in CS 5.5, that it can be installed alongside of 3.01, and is a $99.00 upgrade (if I understood correctly), it seems reasonable at the very least to utilize the power and features it offers.  I presume it works well beside AA 1.5 too then?  I could see that as a possible pairing, as 1.5 is efficient and 5.5 should have what 3.01 does that 1.5 doesn't and vice-versa.  Hmmm....ok, will 5.5 accept rewire?  I'm just turning wheels here.  If it can talk to previous AA versions, or anything else, that certainly opens up more flexibilty too.

             

            I'm sure I speak for more than myself when I say all these examples you've illustrated for us help immensely in understanding the path ahead.  Especially the idea of why 5.5 is what it is at this stage, and that it is indeed a 1st stage, is encouraging.  Under these circumstances, to get the benefits of speed, efficiency, and updated functionality, and still maintain accessability to what works well already in AA is certainly comforting and welcome.  Thank you for giving us the opportunity to exhale, I'm now intrigued!

             

            Or, as HAL once said, "I understand now, Dr. Chandra. Thank you for telling me the truth."  :-)

            • 18. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
              SJDuff

              Dear Durin,

               

              Thank you for taking your time to post here about the new release, provide screen shot and explainations of what is new and how they work.

               

               

              I am what many would call a relative new comer to Audition, using for about 2 1/2 years. My original intent was for use as my 1 and only DAW in my home project studio.  However over the past 18 months I have developed a small clientele for whom I do voice overs and original music beds. (Nice to get paid for a hobby that I love.) During this time I have found my needs to have grown beyond what 3.01 and now 5.5 can do.

               

              I had hoped that this upgrade(?), would have included some features that would have made my workflow and music creation within Audition even better/easier then it already is. I am disappointed to find out that midi implementation has been dropped completely at this time.  The removal of the ability to group clips is also very problematic. I have not heard if there is now a multitrack overlay grid that can be set to divisions of the projects BMP and turned on and off, with snapping and nudging enabled to this grid. I was hopeful that time signature markers, for mutliple time signatures within a project would be included. I had hoped that when previewing clips/files within Audition you would be able to preview at project tempo.

               

              These are a few of the thing I had hoped to see, or are dissappointed they have been removed. I know, I will probably get jumped on by SteveG because, "it  was never meant to be music creation tool." Maybe not, but programs do evolve beyond original intent.

               

              I intend to give the trial a whirl. But to be honest, I have already moved on to another DAW to make up for that which is lacking in 3.01 and has been left out of CS5.5.  I am lookng forward to future releases in hopes I can come back and have my needs met.

               

              Duff

              • 19. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                Eric Addison MeganK

                One quick question on the workflow with PPro - let's say I finish my edit, then send everything over to Audition for audio work. I create my mix, and send it back over to PPro and show my client. Clients, being what they are, now want changes in the video...can I re-edit in PPro and then send back to Audition without losing any changes already made in the mix, or do I have to re-do everything?

                • 20. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                  Burnyno Community Member

                  Im ok with cs 5.5 as long as midi sequencer and metronome will be back in Audition 6

                  Thanks

                  • 21. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                    David Polk Community Member

                    I'm very dissappointed that grouping of clips has been removed.  Grouping is such a natural part of my radio production/journalism workflow (and that of my colleagues).  If I want to adjust some timings in the middle of a piece I'm working on, in the past my clips would have already been grouped and I just have to shift it all over. Now, I have to manually click on each clip *every time.*  In a 7 minute radio piece I might have 50 clips and not having grouping makes it so easy to make mistakes.  Everything else about the Mac version of Audition (in the beta) works so beautifully, I'd hate to have to go back to running Parallels and Windows on my Mac just for Audition 3.0!

                     

                    Regards,

                     

                    David Polk

                    Producer

                    WFMT Chicago

                    • 22. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                      RJRadio Community Member

                      Wow no grouping is a real disappointment for me too.  I use it daily in radio sessions.  From updating client tags and inserts and just shift the grouped masters and such along with half hour programing that segments change each week too is going to be a pain.  For every day radio work it looks like I'lll be hanging on to AA 3.01 which is our daily work horse for broadcasting anyway.    I'll still play with the new version for sure and will probably upgrade and have both programs in place BUT.... I can already see for Radio Broadcasting production and features it will be AA 3.01 as our reliable work horse.   Too bad no one thought of this as Audition is pretty much the go to daw for broadcasters for over a decade or more.

                       

                      Cheers

                      • 23. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                        RonNovy Community Member

                        Clip grouping must have been one of those less important yet easy to implement things that hit near the bottom of the list.  This is what happens when your on a tight schedule with a lot to do.   But you never know, you might get a patch release that adds in some of those simpler features...  Just don't hold your breath waiting for it...

                         

                        Honestly though, with all the new features, I think this release will be a very productive one given the heavy use of parallel processing...  I'll have to find a way to slow things down when I'm on an hourly job.  Something like not using groups might just be it.

                        • 24. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                          SteveG(AudioMasters) Community Member

                          Well, I suppose you can justify just about anything if you try hard enough!

                           

                          You clearly missed your true vocation - as a spin doctor!

                          • 25. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                            RonNovy Community Member

                            True, but the harder you try to get them to pay you, the harder they try not to...

                             

                            I guess Spin Doctor should have been my name here in the forum...  Might have saved people from trying to understand a lot of my confusing posts.

                            • 26. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                              _durin_ Employee Hosts

                              Clip Grouping was a feature that came up too late in the development cycle to be implemented properly as it relied on the existence of a lot of other functionality.  It's not as simple as maintaining a list of which clips belong to which group.  Exclusive behaviors have to be addressed for crossfading, resizing, moving, inserting new tracks, overlapping clips detection, and a host of other concerns that one of the engineers more familiar with the code than myself would know.

                               

                              I know this release won't satisfy everyone and some of the missing features may be important enough that some users may choose not to upgrade.  I think CS 5.5 is an amazing application and I've personally used it exclusively for recording, mixing, and editing my own projects (although I do get paid to do so ) but I think there is a segment of our users for whom CS 6 will represent the true, full upgrade for their needs.  Had we not released CS 5.5, the CS 6 cycle would still represent the time frame we'd have needed for the re-write and updates.  If this the case, please see CS 5.5 as a preview of what's to come and where we're taking Audition.

                               

                              I would ask that those interested in taking a more active role in Audition's development, please send an e-mail to  audbugs@adobe.com  and ask to be considered for the CS 6 cycle pre-release program.  I can't promise everyone will be included, but it would be great to get a better cross-segment of our old and new user base when we have new builds and feature questions that need real user feedback.

                              • 27. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                _durin_ Employee Hosts

                                As for the Premiere Pro workflow, I'll be putting together a more in-depth tutorial soon, but here's the basics:

                                 

                                From the Premiere Pro timeline, I can choose to send my Work Area or an entire Sequence to Edit in Adobe Audition.  There's a few options available, but generally Premiere will render a DV movie file of my video and export copies of all clips in the timeline with handle durations specified by the user.  Audition is then automatically launched and the sequence appears a a native Audition session with the video reference track and all clips. 

                                 

                                When all editing, ADR, mixing, surround automation, etc is complete, I can send data back to Premiere in a few different ways:

                                * Export all tracks as stems:  Send each audio track as a fully rendered stem. 

                                * Export all buses as stems: Send each bus track output as a fully rendered stem.

                                * Export mixdown: Send a mono, stereo, and/or 5.1 mixdown of the complete session.

                                 

                                Premiere asks where to place these new clips and inserts them into the Sequence.  From these source clips, you can use the Edit Original command to open the Audition session which created them.  At this time, there's no ability to merge or sync subsequent changes to the Premiere timeline to the existing Audition session, but this is an area where we hope to offer additional improvements. 

                                • 28. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                  _durin_ Employee Hosts

                                  Hi Duff,

                                   

                                  No dynamic tempo maps with CS 5.5, but it's definitely something I want to consider when the team addresses tempo improvements.

                                  • 29. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                    SJDuff Community Member

                                    >>>>Durin Replied:

                                     

                                    Hi Duff,

                                     

                                    No dynamic tempo maps with CS 5.5, but it's definitely something I want to consider when the team addresses tempo improvements<<<<

                                     

                                     

                                     

                                     

                                     

                                     

                                    Cool Beans. I'm looking forward to it.

                                     

                                    Duff

                                    • 30. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                      Alex Radzishevsky Community Member

                                       

                                      I generally do not comment on big corporate forums, but this time I decided to participate. I hope my opinion will be taken into account.

                                       

                                      The matter is that Audition is often used by DSP engineers who do not deal with music/radio/broadcasting/etc, but work with sound and audio analysis in scientific purposes in process of DSP algorithms development, and in audio quality validation for different industries (voice communication, speech codecs, automotive, pro-/consumer, etc).

                                       

                                      These people silently use this tool and never appear at music communities/forums/etc., so Adobe team may not know about them. But you can see these people in every audio department of every company somehow involved in audio.

                                       

                                      Adobe Audition (and previously Cool Edit) is the only and the ultimate tool for these professionals. Such scientific features of Audition as filtering, signal/noise generation, extended spectral analysis, sample-precise editing, etc . are not replaceable by any other software. Other software editors are not suitable for these operations since they are designed mostly for music and simply do not have such extended tools that are absolutely necessary for the purposes described above.

                                       

                                      Lack of such tools as tone generation, noise generation, scientific filtering and others will not allow these engineers to upgrade. By the way, many of them are still using Cool Edit Pro because it is faster than Audition.

                                       

                                      I hope Adobe team cares about all its users and will take my scribble as a note in further development of Adobe Audition which is the greatest audio software.

                                      • 31. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                        MusicConductor Community Member

                                        Alex, as a long-time user of the software and member of related communities, I think I'll stick my nose out here to thank you for breaking your silence. and making a great point (and politely!).  Did you see the other thread concerning the release?  Durin invited feedback from the user community directly, as well as through a survey.  Perhaps you could get the word out to as many users you know as possible to let their voice be heard through this survey link:

                                        http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/auditionfeedback

                                         

                                        Meanwhile, AA3, or even 1.5, are great products for many things, and there's nothing wrong with sticking with them if they get the job done!  However, it's been a long time since I've done a job in 1.5 that I thought was faster.  But I know there are definitely some slicker spots.

                                         

                                        Good success to you, and thanks again for posting your point of view.

                                        • 32. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                          Wild_Duck Community Member

                                          I also think Alex has made a very important point. Those of us who test and maintain audio hardware also need the reliable test tools that the software traditionally provided.

                                          • 33. Video Playback
                                            Ray Tragesser Community Member

                                            Hello,

                                             

                                            Will the new Audition 5.5 be able to take advantage of any I/O card installed on the system (Blackmagic, AJA, Matrox, etc) that will allow the video to playout to a client monitor?

                                             

                                            Thanks

                                            Ray

                                            • 34. Re: Video Playback
                                              ryclark Community Member

                                              Unfortunately no it won't. This has been on the requested feature list for some time as many of us working in sound post need external video playback.

                                              • 35. Re: Video Playback
                                                Ray Tragesser Community Member

                                                Thats a real shame that Audition will not be able to playout video through a dedicated I/O card. That effectively eliminates it for any serious client session work relating to video post-production. Unless you like them looking over your shoulder at a small video clip on the screen. This is one of the main reasons why I never used Audition for much more than a Swiss army knife for file processing. The program is very nice and offers a tremendous bang for th buck. Not sure why Adobe is really advertising round tripping to Premiere Pro if there is no support for the same I/O hardware that is likely to be already installed on the system and being used with Premiere Pro. Hence the "Pro"

                                                 

                                                Hopefully this is a high priority for version 6. If it is please contact to beta test that functionality.

                                                 

                                                Ray

                                                • 36. Re: Video Playback
                                                  _durin_ Employee Hosts

                                                  Ray, please contact me at audbugs@adobe.com and we can discuss this further.

                                                   

                                                  Thanks,

                                                  Durin

                                                  Adobe Audition

                                                  • 37. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                    therealdobro Community Member

                                                    Hi Durin - you describe Audition CS5.5's speed, arising out of its ability to take advantage of multi-core systems.  Nice.  But is it a 64-bit application now?  I'd like to get a Lexicon plugin (currently 32-bit) to use with Audition, but Lexicon are planning to release a 64-bit version fairly soon.  I'm wondering about compatibility, now and in the future.

                                                    • 38. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                      _durin_ Employee Hosts

                                                      The CS 5.5 release of Audition remains a 32-bit application, although we are building it internally as 32- and 64-bit native applications.  The decision was made to remain 32-bit for this release for several reasons:

                                                      * A general lack of 64-bit VST plug-ins

                                                      * The need to support existing legacy effects in sessions

                                                      * A rather minimal improvement in performance and processing for audio (as opposed to video which greatly benefits from accessing more memory)

                                                      * A large existing userbase on older and legacy hardware who are unable or unwilling to upgrade their systems at this time.

                                                      * The increased testing hit which would draw time away from feature development for this release

                                                       

                                                      As we get closer to feature parity (and beyond!) to Audition 3, and as our users on older hardware are given time to prepare, I would expect us to release Audition as a native 64-bit application.  It will require updated agreements with many of the partners we license with as well, so it's not as simple as "flipping the 64-bit switch in the compiler."  It will allow Audition to sit a little bit better in the Production Premium suite, and if we approach virtual instrument sequencing in the future, 64-bit memory access allows for loading ENORMOUS sample libraries into RAM.

                                                      • 39. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                        Steve C2 Community Member

                                                        Hi Durin,

                                                         

                                                        I was wondering if you could answer a few questions, please.

                                                         

                                                        1) There are some third-party plugins (Vongengo is one example) that are available in 64-bit.  Does one need to use the 32-bit plugins?

                                                         

                                                        2) Regarding the following

                                                        * A large existing userbase on older and legacy hardware who are unable or unwilling to upgrade their systems at this time.

                                                        * The increased testing hit which would draw time away from feature development for this release

                                                         

                                                        As we get closer to feature parity (and beyond!) to Audition 3, and as our users on older hardware are given time to prepare, I would expect us to release Audition as a native 64-bit application.  It will require updated agreements with many of the partners we license with as well, so it's not as simple as "flipping the 64-bit switch in the compiler."  It will allow Audition to sit a little bit better in the Production Premium suite, and if we approach virtual instrument sequencing in the future, 64-bit memory access allows for loading ENORMOUS sample libraries into RAM.

                                                        2) Wouldn't the odds of the userbase being willing to upgrade increase with a compelling feature set?

                                                        3) Since Premiere Pro is 64-bit and some third-party plugins are 64-bit, what kind of integration can AA CS 5.5 users expect with PrPro running 64-bit plugins and AA CS5.5?

                                                        4) For users that might need to keep AA 3.0.1 for certain functions when they upgrade to CS 5,5, are there any ramifications between moving back and forth between 5.5 and 3.0.1?  Has any testing been done on this and is there a recommended workflow?

                                                         

                                                        Thanks,

                                                        Steve

                                                        • 40. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                          _durin_ Employee Hosts

                                                          Hi Steve C2,

                                                           

                                                          1. Yes, 64-bit plug-ins are not compatible with 32-bit applications (and vice versa.)

                                                           

                                                          2. A significant portion of Audition's userbase is in the radio industry, and those folks will be the first to agree that hardware upgrades are about the last thing considered in any budget discussions.  In order to ensure continued support for these folks, Audition needed to continue to support Windows XP 32-bit, and work well on older, single-core hardware with limited RAM.  In any case, I wouldn't expect any customer to update their hardware in order to use Audition, rather I would hope they might consider it to make the experience better.

                                                           

                                                          3. With CS 5.5, there is no plug-in compatibility between Audition and Premiere Pro.  When sending a Premiere Pro sequence to Audition, you have the opportunity to render effects prior to sending them or to ignore them completely.  When Audition moves to support 64-bit platforms, I'd expect to see a much tighter integration between Audition and Premiere and the ability to easily share effects.

                                                           

                                                          4. The only problems you should run into when using Audition 3 and CS 5.5 simultaneously would be if both apps were attempting to access the same ASIO device.  Audition 3 allows you to run multiple instances of the application, but CS 5.5 does not.  You can, however, open multiple sessions at once so this should be less of a concern.

                                                          • 41. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                            Steve C2 Community Member

                                                            Hi Durin,

                                                             

                                                            Many thanks!

                                                            Steve

                                                            • 42. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                              SteveG(AudioMasters) Community Member

                                                              _durin_ wrote:

                                                              4. The only problems you should run into when using Audition 3 and CS 5.5 simultaneously would be if both apps were attempting to access the same ASIO device.  Audition 3 allows you to run multiple instances of the application, but CS 5.5 does not.  You can, however, open multiple sessions at once so this should be less of a concern.

                                                               

                                                              I should point out that I haven't tried this directly with the rest of the CS, but the usual situation with ASIO and more than one app running is that it is only a problem if the apps are trying to access the same ASIO streams on a device - having two apps addressing the same card generally works fine, as long as the sample rate is the same. The no-no is trying to address two sound devices with ASIO - that it can't manage at all. So for instance with my E-Mu 1820m, it's only the ASIO streams that are actually allocated and in use that you can't use with another app.

                                                              • 43. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                                Steve C2 Community Member

                                                                Hi SteveG,

                                                                 

                                                                Thanks.  Also, one thing that I don't think I made clear in my questions - perhaps either you or Durin or anyone else who knows can answer.

                                                                 

                                                                When I was talking about workflow between AA 3 and 5.5, what I had in mind was that one probably would close one of the AA's before doing some work (one example is the AA 3 Scientific Filter).  Since the Effects Rack has been replaced, I thought that maybe VST-based effects, depending on when and where they are executed, might have unintended side-effects if one goes back and forth between versions.  Of course, I don't know the answer.  But, I thought it would be a good idea to the answer in advance.

                                                                 

                                                                Steve

                                                                • 44. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                                  SteveG(AudioMasters) Community Member

                                                                  They shouldn't be any interaction at all between two versions of Audition running at the same time - and if I get a chance later on I'll check that this is indeed the case. As long as the two different versions of AA don't try to access the same ASIO streams, they should both run fine simultaneously, assuming your audio device can cope with that. Dunno what that would do to your processor load though - and there would be no guarantee of any sort of a decent performance!

                                                                  • 45. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                                    zenpicker Community Member

                                                                    Sigh.

                                                                    As a developer myself, I understand that seemingly simple features can be very complex under the hood - especially if we've done our job as UX designers - but there was such a clamor for clip grouping here that it's hard to understand why it didn't make the cut.  That and the lack of control surface support scotches my upgrade plans. 

                                                                     

                                                                    Durin, the gist of a lot of your posts on this thread is that we should regard this release as a preview or a taste of things to come.  Without asking you to commit, can you give us some idea of when an interim *feature* (vs bug fix) release might be expected?  A year or so from now?  Just wondering how long I have to keep my struggling PC running...can't run AA3 under VMWare on the Mac because unfortunately I have a Firewire audio interface.

                                                                     

                                                                    Anyway, I appreciate all the thought and creativity that went into this first Mac release and hope there will be a future release that works for my sort of workflow.

                                                                    • 46. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                                      _durin_ Employee Hosts

                                                                      I haven't meant to give the impression that CS 5.5 is a preview release.  If we felt there was not a significant group that would be able to accomplish their audio tasks with this release, we would have waited for CS 6.  For those Audition 3 users who cannot live without pitch correction or clip grouping or control surface support and will only consider an Audition with those features, then the wait for that release will be the same as it would be had we not released CS 5.5.  I hope we've been honest and straightforward about this.  If not, let me emphasize that Audition CS 5.5 will not have every feature available in Audition 3, and if you find that it does not suit your particular needs, please let us know exactly what is missing that prevents you from upgrading and using it so that we can do our best to make certain these areas are addressed and improved for CS 6.

                                                                       

                                                                      (And I'm not making a judgement on that perspective!  Believe me when I say that there was much agony and passionate arguments made for every feature that did not make the cut for this release.  There was NO ONE on the team who dismissed any of these tools as unimportant.  When it came down to the wire and we needed to decide whether to spend developer time on, say, Clip Grouping vs. CD Extraction, we had to look at everything from development and testing time, ranking in feature surveys and forum/pre-release requests, and whether an alternative, if less elegant, solution existed.)

                                                                       

                                                                      We want to make the best audio editing tool on the market.  We want to offer a value for our users that they don't get with other applications, or complement the tools they already use to increase their productivity.  Adobe has committed to releases on an 18/12 month cycle, meaning 18 months following an n.0 release, expect an n.5 release, with the next n.0 release 12 months later.  CS 5.5 ships mid-May, which puts CS 6 on a tentative release for May 2012.

                                                                       

                                                                      Thanks for the feedback and the encouragement moving forward.  I hope you'll still take a look at the trial version and see where it might help improve your productivity or what areas we could focus upon that would make CS 6 a killer release for you.

                                                                       

                                                                      Durin

                                                                      • 47. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                                        zenpicker Community Member

                                                                        Thanks, Durin.  Guess I already made my votes clear on features for release 6.

                                                                        And now the wait begins.

                                                                        • 48. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                                          Alex Radzishevsky Community Member

                                                                          Dear Durin,

                                                                           

                                                                          though you didn't comment on this my reply, I still keep hoping that it will be taken into account. I think the number of Audition users that I'm talking about in my message cannot be ignored by Adobe.

                                                                           

                                                                          Thank you,

                                                                          Alex.

                                                                          • 49. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                                            SteveG(AudioMasters) Community Member

                                                                            Alex Radzishevsky wrote:

                                                                            I think the number of Audition users that I'm talking about in my message cannot be ignored by Adobe.

                                                                             

                                                                             

                                                                            How many is that?

                                                                            • 50. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                                              _durin_ Employee Hosts

                                                                              Hi Alex,

                                                                               

                                                                              We're already working on some of the effects you mentioned.  I did copy your message into one of the items in the feature database to bolster support for the other tools, but it's still very early in the CS 6 development cycle, so I don't have much to report yet. 

                                                                              • 51. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                                                Alex Radzishevsky Community Member

                                                                                I didn't count everyone of them personally yet, but according to my experience (working as audio engineer and developer in voice communication industry) - they are thousands. You can visit any company that deal with voice communication, audio sw/hw validation, etc. and you can see most of the engineers using Audition or its predecessors.

                                                                                • 52. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                                                  _durin_ Employee Hosts

                                                                                  This suggestion of a "silent army" of Audition users, as well as some missteps in the past where features were removed (on purpose or accident) to the outcry of a small number of users, leads me to start recommending enabling the anonymous usage reporting tools in Adobe applications.  While Audition isn't doing much with this feature yet (The Adobe Product Improvement Program link found under the Help menu), I think we'll enable it for more tasks and actions with CS 6.  It's a completely opt-in, anonymous means of collecting how much time is spent in certain views, what effects and features are used most often, and where trouble spots might exist.  For users who may otherwise never visit forums or send us an e-mail, it should offer them an unobtrusive means of letting us know what is important to them. 

                                                                                   

                                                                                  For the more paranoid among us, myself absolutely included, I am not aware of any sneaky intent or personal data being shared.  And of course, it won't work on systems that are detached from the internet. 

                                                                                  • 53. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                                                    Alex Radzishevsky Community Member

                                                                                    Durin,

                                                                                     

                                                                                    I agree that adding this feature may help Adobe to better understand its customers and their needs.

                                                                                     

                                                                                    You can consider my above message about "silent army of users" as written report.

                                                                                     

                                                                                    The users I'm talking about are using Audition in audio development and audio validation process.If it can help, here is a brief list of features that are used by them on a daily basis (including myself, each and every day): spectrogram view, spectral analysis, statistics, scientific filters (high pass, band pass, low pass with configureable filter type, cutoffs and order), tones generation (especially with different start/end points, for example to generate sweep tones), noise generation (BTW, could be extended, I think), sample rate/bit resolution/channels conversion, mixing, subtraction, sample-precise editing, batch processing (can be definitely improved by adding scripting). All these functions make Audition absolutely not replaceble by any other tool. MatLAB and Audition - is the ultimate tool chain.

                                                                                     

                                                                                    If you say that scientific filters and tone generation are not available in 5.5 - it means that I personally will not be able to use it. The same with many of those who I'm telling you about.

                                                                                     

                                                                                    I hope you got my point, and I hope it will help you to make your product only better.

                                                                                     

                                                                                    Alex.

                                                                                    • 54. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                                                      SteveG(AudioMasters) Community Member

                                                                                      _durin_ wrote:


                                                                                      And of course, it won't work on systems that are detached from the internet. 

                                                                                       

                                                                                      Which is, of course, most of the serious DAW users.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      I'm still not convinced about some of these numbers of users in areas that aren't generally considered to be major markets. Since Adobe control all the sales of Audition directly, they must surely have some sort of an idea as to where they've been sold...

                                                                                       

                                                                                      If we assume for a moment that the proportions of users who frequent forums (and we are talking long-term here) represent anything even vaguely like the usage spread, then I'd say that whilst game developers and people who work in the comms industry certainly show up, they certainly weren't anything like a major group. From what we see, it's radio users, podcasters and individual users doing restoration work and sometimes multitrack audio recording who form the backbone of users. One hidden group that we do know about (and they keep quiet about this deliberately, because it's embarassing to them for some strange reason) are the people using Audition for Mastering purposes - it gets used quite a lot for that, one way or another.