24 Replies Latest reply: Apr 30, 2011 9:08 PM by wavecapsule RSS

    Audition 5.5 is a fake

    lou4uandme Community Member

      Hi all,

      Please forgive me if i'm wrong but I think Adobe is trying to pull a fast one on us.

       

      If you're an Audition 3.0 user, like me you will soon find out that Audition 5.5 is simply Sound booth with a few audition filters included.

       

      It's as simple as that.

       

      Here are some examples:

       

      1.Selecting left or right channels in audition would be:

      Highlighting the left or right channel

       

      In the Fake one, you must check the button on the right to deactivate left from right.

      Hmm? didn't sound booth have that?

       

      2.

      The ability to have all of your effects exposed in a collumn has been removed & replaced with an Effect rack.

      Wait, didn't soundbooth have that too?

       

      3.Stereo Imagery:

      All 8  effects are missing including CHANNEL MIXER

       

      Aren't you suppose to "add" effects in newer versions not "remove" them

      Hmm? soundbooth never had them either.

       

      4. Uhh..Interface.. duh Soundbooth

       

      I will stop here because I think i'm making my point

       

      Sorry for the sarcasm, but i HATE when the manager says "Yeah your room has a view" and when you get into it & open the window, you see a brick wall with a mural of an ocean painted on it.

       

      That's exactly what adobe did with Audition.

       

      I've been waiting YEARS for an upgrade. But all they did was keep pushing soundbooth down your throat.

      So they added a few filters to soundbooth and called it AUDTION 5.5 !

       

      So if any abobe members are out there, please let the the big boys know ...

       

      "I want everyone to open their windows and yell out...we are not going to take it anymore!!!!"

      (Ok, so the line was from a movie, it still sounded good.) 

        • 1. Re: Audition 5.5 is a fake
          Bill Hunt CommunityMVP

          I think that this would be better suited to the Audition Forum, and less so in the PrPro Forum.

           

          Good luck,

           

          Hunt

          • 2. Re: Audition 5.5 is a fake
            Bill Hunt CommunityMVP

            For those interested, this THREAD addresses some aspects of Au CS5.5.

             

            Hunt

            • 3. Re: Audition 5.5 is a fake
              MusicConductor Community Member

              Lou, if you read the various threads posted by Durin here at the Audition forum, you'll learn plenty how this is not the Soundbooth upgrade you're fearing.  The feature list is not what we'd love it to be, but it's impressive.  Have you read it?  And you can try it for free in a few weeks, nobody's forcing you to get it.

               

              But Soundbooth it ain't.  Not by a long shot.  Even with trivial similaritites.

              • 4. Re: Audition 5.5 is a fake
                Steve C2 Community Member

                Hi,

                 

                While I have not seen AA CS 5.5 except for a preview video clip, here are some thoughts.  I really can't draw conclusions until I play with the trial product on whether CS 5.5 is really just SB, but it did look strikingly similar in the video clip to the SB that is packaged with Production Premium CS 5.

                 

                This similar look might actually be a good thing.  Someone like Durin or Adobe developers would be better able to comment here, but contemporary software design will frequently break out the user interface separately from the engine.  So, if this is in fact what happened and the SB user interface was largely adopted, it might mean that more time can be spent on developing the engine and it might mean a more robust and stable user interface.

                 

                Steve

                • 5. Re: Audition 5.5 is a fake
                  SteveG(AudioMasters) Community Member

                  lou4uandme wrote:

                   

                  I will stop here because I think i'm making my point


                   

                  Well I'm sure that will be a relief for all concerned!

                  • 6. Re: Audition 5.5 is a fake
                    lou4uandme Community Member

                    In my opinion, any upgrades to the software should not effect common tasks. For example, if you were to use premiere 1.5, I'm guessing that you would be able to zip around the interface, short cut keys, etc.. If you are a "real" Audition user, within 5 minutes of use, and you will know you are NOT in the same program. Not to mention that they removed 40% of the filters.

                     

                    Believe me, I love change. When they gave Mocha 2 an interface overhaul, it took me a day or two to get use to it, However, ALL features were still there.

                    They didn't pull a "Bait & switch" move. It is CLEARLY soundbooth with audition features added NOT the other way around.

                     

                    Oh well, it's not the end of the world. 3.0 still is a solid program.

                    BTW, in the new so called Audtion 5.5, is there a way to swap the left channel to the right channel? Or mix the left channel to  right?

                    In audition 3.0 they had a Channel Mixer. Where did it go?

                    I can't believe I'm the only one who uses it.

                    • 7. Re: Audition 5.5 is a fake
                      SuiteSpot Community Member

                      Channel Mixer?

                       

                      AA3 has a channel mixer?

                       

                      Get out of here - who would use such a thing?

                      • 8. Re: Audition 5.5 is a fake
                        David Zeno Community Member

                        I guess I have to wonder this,

                         

                        as version 5.5 is not out until May, and anyone who is a registered user beta user MUST not give out details, why is the original

                        poster giving out details of a version not yet about for the public ?

                         

                        am I missing something here ?

                        • 9. Re: Audition 5.5 is a fake
                          Todd_Kopriva Adobe Employee

                          > as version 5.5 is not out until May, and anyone who is a registered user beta user MUST not give out details, why is the original

                          poster giving out details of a version not yet about for the public ?

                           

                          am I missing something here ?

                          People who have seen and used the software are free to discuss the details of it at this point. They have been free to do so since we announced the software a couple of weeks ago.

                          • 10. Re: Audition 5.5 is a fake
                            _durin_ Employee Hosts

                            Hi Lou,

                             

                            While we did adopt certain UI elements from Soundbooth, Audition is very much NOT Soundbooth.  Soundbooth was built atop Premiere's media playback engine which works well for video, but required certain concessions for audio playback that Audition's native mixing engine did not.  The mixing engine from Audition 3 was ported and updated for this release. 

                             

                            Audition 3 included several tools introduced in earlier editions of Soundbooth including the on-screen HUD gain adjustment and the on-screen fade control handles.  We did introduce additional options with CS 5.5 such as push-button channel selection, but you may still enable the older Audition-style channel selection in the Preferences.  Audition also had an effects rack, although it was called the Mastering Rack and it was not a dynamic effects rack system - you had to close it in order to adjust a selection or change files, and often needed to save the configuration as a preset if you wished to come back to it.  The new effects system is completely non-modal and file-specific so you can try different effects, tinker with their order and parameters, and A/B with other files.  The Channel Mixer effect is still there, however it is now located in the Amplitude & Compression effect group as it handles more than just Stereo files.  The Center Channel Extractor effect has also been updated and improved allowing you to adjust Center and Side Channel Levels.

                             

                            I'll be updating my Audition CS 5.5 thread with new screenshots and details this week.  I have a few more primary application panels to document, and I'll be happy to move to the individual effects next.

                            • 11. Re: Audition 5.5 is a fake
                              lou4uandme Community Member

                              Ok, well like I posted earlier, I apoligize if I rushed to conclusions. I plyed around with the program for 20 minutes and went into a panic.  Iall I kept saying was.. "where's this?, where's that? what happened to this? " and then ran right for the forum.

                               

                              I did look around in the menus where you said and found the channel mixer and custom settings. Thank GOD the channel mixer is still there.

                              Ok, I think I will give A 5.5 an second chance.

                               

                              On a side note to you guys:

                              Just found out Neat Video 2.6 does not work with 5.5

                              I thought 5.5 would be treated as a build upgrade such as 5.1, 5.2, etc?

                              Crap, does this mean all of my plugins have to be changed?

                              • 12. Re: Audition 5.5 is a fake
                                Charles VW Adobe Employee

                                lou4uandme wrote:

                                 

                                1.Selecting left or right channels in audition would be:

                                Highlighting the left or right channel

                                 

                                In the Fake one, you must check the button on the right to deactivate left from right.

                                Hmm? didn't sound booth have that?

                                 

                                This is in Audition CS5.5, there is an option to enable this in the preferences.  We decided to turn it off by default because there was a class of users that felt that this got in the way.  Also, it doesn't make much sense if you're editing a 6-channel file.

                                • 13. Re: Audition 5.5 is a fake
                                  Neophite10

                                  Just out of curiosity, what version of CS are you using with your older Audition 3.  I'm reluctant to buy Audition CS5.5 because of your comment...However, there's tons of praise for Audition 3 still out there.  Also, is Audition 3 forward compatible with CS5 to your knowledge?

                                   

                                  PS:  It's interesting that when I did a spell check before posting, the word "Audition" doesn't seem to be in their dictionary.  Huh?  It wouldn't correct "Audtion."

                                  • 14. Re: Audition 5.5 is a fake
                                    lou4uandme Community Member

                                    Yeah charles, if yor editing a 6 channel file, it wouldn't make sense.

                                    But when you get files with a boom

                                    on the right and a lav on the left, then a channel mixer is

                                    sweet.

                                     

                                    As for 3.0 with cs5,  all is well. Simply right click in premiere, and bam, you're in Audition.

                                    As for my comments, I might have jumped to conclusion too fast.

                                    It does have most of the features from Audition. They're just moved around

                                    Although I will ALWAYS stand by that it is a Soundbooth interface with a Audtion Engine, it still has Audition's great editing tools.

                                    I will ALWAYS use it over pro tools(but thats another forum)

                                     

                                    For me I always hated soundbooth's feel & interface. The only thing I Loved about soundbooth was you could Listen to an Isolated wav section.

                                    In Audition 3.0, you can't.

                                    So when I heard Audition 5.5   I was so happy.  I figured wow  a 2011 version! But then:

                                    I was like an 8 year old kid on Christmas morning opening a HUGE box only to find socks & T-shirts in it.

                                    I said" Soundbooth?! What are you doing here? Audition my As_  , this is soundbooth

                                     

                                    In any event, It's still is a great program. I'm sure "you" won't have any issues with it.

                                    • 15. Re: Audition 5.5 is a fake
                                      Admiral Cook Community Member

                                      Adobe Audition 3.0 features replaced or not implemented in CS5.5:

                                      http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/895/cpsid_89588.html

                                       

                                      What’s new in CS5.5:

                                      http://help.adobe.com/en_US/audition/cs/using/WSEE34679B-DBE5-444b-9D0F-6EF8E3D76AA7.html

                                       

                                      Switch to Classic Workspace to have Audition look like version 3.

                                      • 16. Re: Audition 5.5 is a fake
                                        Brian Stew Community Member

                                        Quote:  "Channel Mixer? A3 has a channel mixer? Get out of here - who would use such a thing?"

                                         

                                        Unless I'm missing some sarcasm/irony here (I'm not a native english speaker), this is a tool I use a lot: I make dialog recordings with wireless mics to video, and the extreme panning is not pleasant in a web video, so I prefer to move them closer to the center but still in stereo. Typically one voice is a little too soft as wel.l All of this is very easy to accomplis/fix with the Channel mixer. Could probably be done with other means too (splitting it into two mono files, adjust their pan and level individually...) - but the Channel mixer is fast and elegant and works on a single file.

                                        • 17. Re: Audition 5.5 is a fake
                                          SuiteSpot Community Member

                                          Yes sorry Brian I was being a little sarcastic ;-)

                                          The point I was trying to make is that essentially just because some feature that did exist may no longer exist doesn't mean that this affects everyone else.  There are features for example in AA that I have no need for like CD burning, midi and a heap of fx - does this make AA4 bad ?

                                          Certainly not for me - in fact it may make it leaner and faster not having these things.

                                           

                                           

                                          Are there things that are no longer in AA4 that were in AA3 ?

                                           

                                          You bet - eg manual pitch correction - probably not too many care about that though. But luckily the good out weighs the bad - no point in going off I reckon ;-)

                                          • 18. Re: Audition 5.5 is a fake
                                            SJDuff Community Member

                                            Admiral Cook,

                                             

                                            Thanks for posting the links to what is there and what is gone. After reviewing what is GONE, I begin to wonder what the thinking was for that which was left out. And yes I have read Durins' posts concerning time frame for this release and porting it to MAC.

                                             

                                            In this day and age when music is such a large part of video/movie production, or if you prefer, video is such a large part of music entertainment delivery, why would they remove so much that made this one of the most excellent platforms for creating orginal works of music. It doesn't make any sense to me.

                                             

                                            Okay so you can edit dialog, find a pre-made music bed and drop it in. But what if I am being paid to create an original music bed for a  video? Which is what I have recently been working on. No preview clip panel, no metronome, no tempo match, ect. This just doesn't make sense to me. Unless I read it wrong, many, many of the tools that made AA such a great creation platform, DAW, are gone, and I am befuddled as to why.

                                             

                                            I was really hoping to be able to drop a VSTi on a track and add strings if that is what was asked for.

                                             

                                            But, in a sense I am speaking out of turn as I have yet to try the new version.

                                            I am going to DL the trial and give it a whirl. (Fingers crossed)

                                             

                                             

                                            Duff

                                            • 19. Re: Audition 5.5 is a fake
                                              lou4uandme Community Member

                                              Yes that link really was a big help. Thanks.

                                               

                                              Not to mention I never knew it had a "CLASSIC" style.

                                               

                                              Please don't mock me but......I love the new Audition !

                                              Just wish they could have kept the Effect list on the left side. (kind of miss that)

                                              • 20. Re: Audition 5.5 is a fake
                                                Charles VW Adobe Employee

                                                lou4uandme wrote:

                                                 

                                                3.Stereo Imagery:

                                                All 8  effects are missing including CHANNEL MIXER

                                                 

                                                Channel Mixer is now in Amplitude and Compression and not Stereo Imagery, because it has been improved to work on multichannel files and not just Stereo.

                                                 

                                                Please let us know if there are presets that you'd like to have included in the next version.

                                                • 21. Re: Audition 5.5 is a fake
                                                  MusicConductor Community Member

                                                  Lou, what version of AA CS5.5 are you using?  Mac beta?  Something else?  Is there something available I don't know about, cause the Adobe site only has "preorder" buttons.

                                                  • 22. Re: Audition 5.5 is a fake
                                                    gdg444

                                                    He's probably using Adobe Audition CS5.5 Version 4.0 build 1815 (Windows)

                                                     

                                                    I'm using the Mac beta and I love it.

                                                    I never used or even saw Soundbooth so I welcome the new interface.

                                                    Took me a few minutes to find everything that I normally use, but it all seems to be there.

                                                     

                                                    Love the way the effects are now organized and the ability to place a IN and Out point on a clip.

                                                     

                                                    Miss the Boundary Lines, they were pretty handy. also the transparency setting when selecting a section of a clip purely cosmetic I know but I liked it.

                                                    • 23. Re: Audition 5.5 is a fake
                                                      MusicConductor Community Member

                                                      gdg444, the Mac beta does not have all the features listed in the link above.  I think you will welcome that as good news!

                                                      • 24. Re: Audition 5.5 is a fake
                                                        wavecapsule Community Member

                                                        Well, it styill doesn't support rewire or midi any more so meh...discouraging. I hope Adobe changes its mind and puts those two important features back in the program.