4 Replies Latest reply: May 3, 2011 8:33 AM by Reviewer1066 RSS

    Conditional text - Status "Not In"

    Bill at HNS Community Member

      Can someone explain to me what Conditional Text Status means? Specifically, what do "Not In" and "In" mean? I've looked in Help and tried to search the Frame forum for this. In both cases I've found nothing.

        • 1. Re: Conditional text - Status "Not In"
          Error7103 Community Member

          In: the selected text has or will have the named Condition Code applied on [Apply]

           

          Out: the selected text does not have, or will have the named Condition Code removed on [Apply]

           

          Text can have multiple Condition Codes applied, and the Condition Indicators are insufficient to tell you, because they may be ambiguous (or not even defined), and the color always goes to magenta on code overload anyway. So you need the menu to show what's in or out.

          • 2. Re: Conditional text - Status "Not In"
            Bill at HNS Community Member

            I have no doubt that this reply is accurate (and so I checked "Yes ... answered"), yet I'm still confused. I think this is because of the complexity of Frame's conditional text implementation. It seems that In and Not in should relate to whether or not the text appears in the document, but instead it's Show and Hide that determine this. I still don't really understand In and Not In. I've used conditional text with XMetaL and DITA, and it is just so much simpler than in Frame. It seems to me that Frame has made conditional text very complicated. Adobe could learn something from looking at how it's done in XMetaL. Not so many odd terms and settings and combinations.

            • 3. Re: Conditional text - Status "Not In"
              Error7103 Community Member

              It seems that In and Not in should relate to whether or not the text  appears in the document, but instead it's Show and Hide that determine  this.

               

              I concur. It would likely be much less confusing if the status columns were "Tagged" and "Untagged", rather than "In" and "Out".

               

              It seems to me that Frame has made conditional text very complicated.

               

              I suspect the Conditional Text nomenclature is little changed since its introduction in version 3.0, which is well before the product was acquired by Adobe.

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              At this point, the customer demographic is probably more interested in new or fixed features, and less in what they are named.

              • 4. Re: Conditional text - Status "Not In"
                Reviewer1066 Community Member

                Bill,

                 

                Think of it this way. When you select text and apply a condition to it, that piece of conditioned text has a beginning point and an end point. Then all text after the beginning point and before the end point is IN the condition. All other text is OUT of the condition. Likewise, if you place the insertion point after the beginning point and before the end point, the insertion point is IN the condition. All other placements of the insertion point are OUT of the condition.

                 

                When you start conditioning other pieces of text with the same or with other conditions, the various conditions begin to overlap; however, EACH application of a condition has a beginning point and an end point. Then when you place the insertion point, go down the list of conditions; for EACH condition, the point is either IN the condition or OUT of the condition.

                 

                Van