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1. Re: Updated Lightroom to 3.4 and it is turning all my images into negatives!
Pete Marshall Apr 30, 2011 10:54 AM (in response to DanRVM)Can you post a screen grab of what you are seeing, no body has reported this before, so details of your system and exactly what you have done with the images would also be useful.
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2. Re: Updated Lightroom to 3.4 and it is turning all my images into negatives!
DanRVM Apr 30, 2011 1:04 PM (in response to Pete Marshall)I'm restoring my system from an image as I was experiencing issues with Microsoft Updates as well. I'll post a screen shot if it continues to be a problem. Thank you!
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3. Re: Updated Lightroom to 3.4 and it is turning all my images into negatives!
Jeff Schewe Apr 30, 2011 1:06 PM (in response to DanRVM)Sounds like a display profile issue...try trashing and rebuilding your profile.
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5. Re: Updated Lightroom to 3.4 and it is turning all my images into negatives!
b_gossweiler Apr 30, 2011 3:57 PM (in response to DanRVM)Looks like a corrupt monitor profile to me. See Victoria Bamptons Blog Post about how to assign an sRGB profile to your monitor to analyze to problem. Assigning an sRGB profile is not a solution though, just a way to find out.
Beat Gossweiler
Switzerland
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6. Re: Updated Lightroom to 3.4 and it is turning all my images into negatives!
DanRVM Apr 30, 2011 7:08 PM (in response to Jeff Schewe)Jeff - I'm not sure what you mean by "trashing and rebuilding" the profile. I went into Color Management, removed all the ones that were in there, and then tried each one that appears available when "Add" is selected. Nothing changed.
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7. Re: Updated Lightroom to 3.4 and it is turning all my images into negatives!
Pete Marshall Apr 30, 2011 11:31 PM (in response to DanRVM)Create a new monitor profile using your calibration tool and software.
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9. Re: Updated Lightroom to 3.4 and it is turning all my images into negatives!
DanRVM May 1, 2011 5:19 AM (in response to Pete Marshall)Pete -
Are you referring to something that is a part of Lightroom? I've attempted to find such a tool without success. As I wrote earlier, I've already been through all the profiles that are a part of Win 7 64 Bit, created my own, and nothing worked. What is interesting, though, is that not every image exhibited this "color negative" issue but if I clicked on it, it would change.
Bernard -
Did this problem start with version 3.4? I noticed that when I tried some of the different profiles under Win 7's "Color Management" that I could get grey images like you have. Changing to an appropriat (usually default) profile fixed the "grey blank" problem though I've yet to fix my "color negative" issue.
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10. Re: Updated Lightroom to 3.4 and it is turning all my images into negatives!
b_gossweiler May 1, 2011 6:01 AM (in response to DanRVM)DanRVM wrote:
Changing to an appropriat (usually default) profile fixed the "grey blank" problem though I've yet to fix my "color negative" issue.Do you only see this with your previews in the Library Module? If so, your previews could be corrupt. Perform a "Render Standard Sized Previews" on all pictures (Library Menu -> Previews).
Beat
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11. Re: Updated Lightroom to 3.4 and it is turning all my images into negatives!
DanRVM May 1, 2011 6:35 AM (in response to b_gossweiler)Do you only see this with your previews in the Library Module?
Beat -
I see this in the Library, Develop, Slideshow, Print, and Web modules. If I remove the "negative color" photos from my library, the import module will also show the files as "color negatives and import them that way.
Per your suggestion, I performed the following and nothing corrected the issue:
- Libary | Previews | Render Standard-Sized Previews
- Libary | Previews | Render 1:1 Previews
- Libary | Previews | Discard 1:1 Previews...
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12. Re: Updated Lightroom to 3.4 and it is turning all my images into negatives!
b_gossweiler May 1, 2011 6:42 AM (in response to DanRVM)Dan,
Did you ever assign a sRGB profile to your Monitor as suggested?
Beat
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13. Re: Updated Lightroom to 3.4 and it is turning all my images into negatives!
Pete Marshall May 1, 2011 6:57 AM (in response to DanRVM)Calibration software comes with a calibration tool. Loads of examples around. I use a Spyder, with the Elite software. Without a calibration tool you cannot build a accurate monitor profile, this is the basics of colour management.
You screen grab shows greyed out files. I was unsure what you meant by "negatives". What you are seeing is the failure of your machine to generate preview files. A corrupt monitor profile must be the first thing to rule out. As you obviously have no calibration device and assuming you are using windows first check what colour management you are using. If you have a NVIDIA card go to its settings in control panel and check that it is set up like this.
Then go to color managment in control panel.
You will see a window like this
Remove whatever is shown and then click on add, you will be taken to the location where the color profiles for your machine are stored. Check on the sRGB profile shown in this screen grab
Once you have done this, open LR, select the files you are having problems with, go to Library, Discard previews and then repeat selecting rebuild 1:1 previews. If this works it means the problem was your monitor profile. If it doesn't it means there may be another problem.
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14. Re: Updated Lightroom to 3.4 and it is turning all my images into negatives!
DanRVM May 1, 2011 6:58 AM (in response to b_gossweiler)b_gossweiler wrote:
Dan,
Did you ever assign a sRGB profile to your Monitor as suggested?
Beat
Yes, if by assigning you mean going into Color Managment in Win 7 64 Bit and trying every one listed and creating my own using the OS' Color Calibration wizard. Should I be doing something else?
P.S. I'm extremely grateful to all those offering suggestions! This is an impressive forum.
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15. Re: Updated Lightroom to 3.4 and it is turning all my images into negatives!
DanRVM May 1, 2011 7:00 AM (in response to Pete Marshall)ambienttroutmask wrote:
Calibration software comes with a calibration tool. Loads of examples around. I use a Spyder, with the Elite software. Without a calibration tool you cannot build a accurate monitor profile, this is the basics of colour management.
You screen grab shows greyed out files. I was unsure what you meant by "negatives". What you are seeing is the failure of your machine to generate preview files. A corrupt monitor profile must be the first thing to rule out. As you obviously have no calibration device and assuming you are using windows first check what colour management you are using. If you have a NVIDIA card go to its settings in control panel and check that it is set up like this.
Then go to color managment in control panel.
You will see a window like this
Remove whatever is shown and then click on add, you will be taken to the location where the color profiles for your machine are stored. Check on the sRGB profile shown in this screen grab
Once you have done this, open LR, select the files you are having problems with, go to Library, Discard previews and then repeat selecting rebuild 1:1 previews. If this works it means the problem was your monitor profile. If it doesn't it means there may be another problem.
Pete -
I will try what you are suggesting.Know, however, that I've already attempted making adjustments in the nVidia drivers.
Also, I do have a Huey Pro. I've tried disabling it and the problem still existed. I reenabled it and used it's calibration and the problem still existed.
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16. Re: Updated Lightroom to 3.4 and it is turning all my images into negatives!
Pete Marshall May 1, 2011 7:08 AM (in response to DanRVM)Do not use the color calibration wizard......
Do not use and profile other than either one generated by a calibration device. You can use sRGB as I have explained above to check that the problem is with the profile, but this will not achieve a colour managed work flow this requires a calibrated monitor using a device designed for the purpose. Using profiles or spaces not designed for your monitor will make things worse. The so called calibration wizard is worse than useless and best left alone.
It sounds to me like you are messing up your system. You only use one device to set your monitor profile. Trying to also set up the NVIDIA drivers to do so as well is a big mistake. Disable the NIVIDIA colour settings as I have shown. Remove inaccurate profiles form windows color management. Re start your machine and calibrate the monitor with the Huey following the instructions closely.
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17. Re: Updated Lightroom to 3.4 and it is turning all my images into negatives!
b_gossweiler May 1, 2011 7:07 AM (in response to DanRVM)DanRVM wrote:
Yes, if by assigning you mean going into Color Managment in Win 7 64 Bit and trying every one listed and creating my own using the OS' Color Calibration wizard. Should I be doing something else?
P.S. I'm extremely grateful to all those offering suggestions! This is an impressive forum.
I'm talking about this setting:
Beat
P.S: And see Pete's advice above. This is only an analysis method to find out if the problem is with your profile. Hardware calibration is very much suggested later on, but this is not something you can achieve in 10 seconds.
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18. Re: Updated Lightroom to 3.4 and it is turning all my images into negatives!
DanRVM May 1, 2011 7:10 AM (in response to b_gossweiler)b_gossweiler wrote:
DanRVM wrote:
Yes, if by assigning you mean going into Color Managment in Win 7 64 Bit and trying every one listed and creating my own using the OS' Color Calibration wizard. Should I be doing something else?
P.S. I'm extremely grateful to all those offering suggestions! This is an impressive forum.
I'm talking about this setting:
Beat
P.S: And see Pete's advice above. This is only an analysis method to find out if the problem is with your profile. Hardware calibration is very much suggested later on, but this is not something you can achieve in 10 seconds.
Message was edited by: b_gossweiler
Yes, I've tried this.
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19. Re: Updated Lightroom to 3.4 and it is turning all my images into negatives!
DanRVM May 1, 2011 7:12 AM (in response to Pete Marshall)ambienttroutmask wrote:
Do not use the color calibration wizard......
Do not use and profile other than either one generated by a calibration device. You can use sRGB as I have explained above to check that the problem is with the profile, but this will not achieve a colour managed work flow this requires a calibrated monitor using a device designed for the purpose. Using profiles or spaces not designed for your monitor will make things worse. The so called calibration wizard is worse than useless and best left alone.
It sounds to me like you are messing up your system. You only use one device to set your monitor profile. Trying to also set up the NVIDIA drivers to do so as well is a big mistake. Disable the NIVIDIA colour settings as I have shown. Remove inaccurate profiles form windows color management. Re start your machine and calibrate the monitor with the Huey following the instructions closely.
Pete -
Right now I would just like to get rid of the "color negative" look in my previews. I understand I should calibrate but I've got a bigger problem to deal with right now. I have disabled NVIDIA's color settings (the were not utilized to begin with).
Right now I am reinstalling Lightroom 3.0 from disk after having removed it. I will then go right to the 3.4 update and see what happens.
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20. Re: Updated Lightroom to 3.4 and it is turning all my images into negatives!
DanRVM May 1, 2011 7:25 AM (in response to DanRVM)Here's what I tried most recently...
I removed Lightroom from my machine then reinstalled from disk. I updated to 3.4 and the problem still existed.
I removed Lightroom from my machine and reinstalled from disk again. I ran 3.0 and the "color negative" issue was gone!
I updated to 3.3 and the "color negative" still did not return.
There is something about 3.4 that is causing the problem. Reading through the list of bug fixes and enhancements in 3.4, there is not one item that I could consider a potential problem.
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21. Re: Updated Lightroom to 3.4 and it is turning all my images into negatives!
trshaner May 2, 2011 11:08 AM (in response to DanRVM)No one has suggested updating your graphics driver! I can't explain why only LR 3.4 would have a problem and not 3.3, but it is most likely a graphics driver incompatibility. Even if that isn't the issue, you should be using the latest driver version. Check your current graphics driver version against latest update.
Best source for driver updates is the graphics chip manufacturer's website (Nvidia, ATI, etc.). Confirm you are downloading the right driver by your chipset model and OS:
http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us
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22. Re: Updated Lightroom to 3.4 and it is turning all my images into negatives!
DanRVM May 2, 2011 11:31 AM (in response to trshaner)trshaner wrote:
No one has suggested updating your graphics driver! I can't explain why only LR 3.4 would have a problem and not 3.3, but it is most likely a graphics driver incompatibility. Even if that isn't the issue, you should be using the latest driver version. Check your current graphics driver version against latest update.
Best source for driver updates is the graphics chip manufacturer's website (Nvidia, ATI, etc.). Confirm you are downloading the right driver by your chipset model and OS:
http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us
Trshaner,
Thank you for the suggestion but that was the first thing I tried (though I never stated so). I don't know how old my previous video driver was but I had the problem with that driver as well. For what it is worth, my video card is an nVIDIA GeForce GTX 260 and I'm running version 270.61 (downloaded 2 days ago from nVIDIA's web site).
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23. Re: Updated Lightroom to 3.4 and it is turning all my images into negatives!
trshaner May 2, 2011 2:03 PM (in response to DanRVM)Since LR 3.3 works and graphics drivers are up to date, next suspect would be a corrupted LR 3.4 installer. Uninstall 3.4 and delete the folder that LR used to extract the LR 3.4 installation files! On my system I think the folder was right at C:\. Next delete the orginal LR 3.4.exe update file and download it again.
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24. Re: Updated Lightroom to 3.4 and it is turning all my images into negatives!
DanRVM May 2, 2011 3:20 PM (in response to DanRVM)Well, I tried but it did not help. Here's what I did:
- Removed Lightroom via Add/Remove Programs
- Deleted C:\Program Files\Adobe
- Deleted C:\Users\User\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\Lightroom
- Downloaded the 3.4 Update
- Reinstalled Lightroom from Disk
- Updated to 3.4
- Ran Lightroom (it "really" acted like a "first time run")
I went to import and the files selected for import looked normal. I then proceeded with the import and as the files loaded they looked normal but then one by one most of them turned into "color negatives". You could tell that the software would process the image before it turned into the "color negative".
Wild...
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25. Re: Updated Lightroom to 3.4 and it is turning all my images into negatives!
Geoff the kiwi May 2, 2011 3:25 PM (in response to DanRVM)Dan, I have no knowledge of Windows but I wonder if somehow a setting has been applied to the images or if the preview folder is corrupted somehow.
Try resetting a file in the Develop Module. There may be a preset applied accidentally and this should clear that.
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26. Re: Updated Lightroom to 3.4 and it is turning all my images into negatives!
+becs May 2, 2011 4:07 PM (in response to DanRVM)Dan, have you tried creating a new catalog? I'd be interested to hear whether the problem happens in just your current catalog, or if it happens regardless of catalog.
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27. Re: Updated Lightroom to 3.4 and it is turning all my images into negatives!
DanRVM May 2, 2011 4:58 PM (in response to Geoff the kiwi)Geoff the kiwi wrote:
Dan, I have no knowledge of Windows but I wonder if somehow a setting has been applied to the images or if the preview folder is corrupted somehow.
Try resetting a file in the Develop Module. There may be a preset applied accidentally and this should clear that.
There are no settings applied and therefore nothing to reset, though I tried anyway...
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28. Re: Updated Lightroom to 3.4 and it is turning all my images into negatives!
DanRVM May 2, 2011 5:01 PM (in response to +becs)+becs wrote:
Dan, have you tried creating a new catalog? I'd be interested to hear whether the problem happens in just your current catalog, or if it happens regardless of catalog.
Thanks,
BeckyYes, I've tried a new catalog multiple times. It is clear that when 3.4 is installed images will import and appear proper until Lightroom "processes them". If you could see it in action you'd see them change to the "color negative" look one by one and very rapidly.
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29. Re: Updated Lightroom to 3.4 and it is turning all my images into negatives!
b_gossweiler May 2, 2011 6:12 PM (in response to DanRVM)Following up on Geoff's path: Could it be you've set a strange default in LR? Try this please:
- Go to Develop on an image
- Click Alt and "Set Default" in lower right corner of the screen
- Choose "Restore Adobe Default Settings"
- After doing so, hit Reset on the image
Also, could you upload an original image to somewhere (i.e. www.yousendit.com) and post a link to it here?
Beat Gossweiler
Switzerland
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30. Re: Updated Lightroom to 3.4 and it is turning all my images into negatives!
ssprengel May 2, 2011 6:15 PM (in response to b_gossweiler)Upload an original image after you've done a Save Metadata to File(s) on it. The toning-curve being reversed would do this.
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31. Re: Updated Lightroom to 3.4 and it is turning all my images into negatives!
Geoff the kiwi May 2, 2011 6:18 PM (in response to ssprengel)Thanks all, seems like something in the files or catalog alright if the embedded previews show first.
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32. Re: Updated Lightroom to 3.4 and it is turning all my images into negatives!
trshaner May 2, 2011 6:28 PM (in response to DanRVM)I'm starting to suspect that something is not normal with the files you are importing into LR. The pictures you posted look like scans of old photographs or negatives, is that correct? Have you tried importing RAW digtital camera image files, or regular image files from another source?
You also, also mentioned that you "load from disk" when reinstaling LR and then do the 3.4 update. There should be no need to load a previous version since all LR updates are complete installer files.
I'm grasping at straws to find the cause of your problem.
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33. Re: Updated Lightroom to 3.4 and it is turning all my images into negatives!
DanRVM May 2, 2011 6:37 PM (in response to trshaner)Wow! Several things to try... Thanks for all the suggestions.
I've made an interesting discovery. I've yet to review the majority of files but so far I've found that the JPG's affected by the "color negative" look have one of two things in common. Under the EXIF section, the Software field is filled with "Adobe Photoshop Elements 7.0" or "Elements Organize 8". I have found some exceptions where "Elements Organizer 8" labelled files are still OK.
I'll upload some samples.
Here's a good one that is labelled "Elements Organizer 8.0"
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37. Re: Updated Lightroom to 3.4 and it is turning all my images into negatives!
DanRVM May 2, 2011 6:45 PM (in response to trshaner)trshaner wrote:
I'm starting to suspect that something is not normal with the files you are importing into LR. The pictures you posted look like scans of old photographs or negatives, is that correct? Have you tried importing RAW digtital camera image files, or regular image files from another source?
You also, also mentioned that you "load from disk" when reinstaling LR and then do the 3.4 update. There should be no need to load a previous version since all LR updates are complete installer files.
I'm grasping at straws to find the cause of your problem.
I suspect you may be right but it's strange that only Lightroom 3.4 exhibits the problem.
I've not tried importing RAW. I'm guessing if I do it would be OK because everything processed in Lightroom seems fine.
I didn't realize that about these updates. I made the assumption I needed to install the disk product before the update. I'll remove all the current version, profiles, and catalog and try installing 3.4 directly.
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38. Re: Updated Lightroom to 3.4 and it is turning all my images into negatives!
Geoff the kiwi May 2, 2011 6:47 PM (in response to DanRVM)Here is what I get.
Import them to Lightroom and same result as you. Look ok on initial preview then go "negative" as Lightroom processes.
But open "bad" ones in PhotoshopCS5 and they look normal !!??
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39. Re: Updated Lightroom to 3.4 and it is turning all my images into negatives!
DanRVM May 2, 2011 6:48 PM (in response to b_gossweiler)b_gossweiler wrote:
Following up on Geoff's path: Could it be you've set a strange default in LR? Try this please:
- Go to Develop on an image
- Click Alt and "Set Default" in lower right corner of the screen
- Choose "Restore Adobe Default Settings"
- After doing so, hit Reset on the image
Also, could you upload an original image to somewhere (i.e. www.yousendit.com) and post a link to it here?
Beat Gossweiler
Switzerland
I doubt it can be a strange default if I'm starting from scratch.
I've uploaded the files here in case the ones I've put in this forum do not allow an "untouched" download:
http://vanmalsen.smugmug.com/Other/Troubleshooting-Lightroom-34/16881947_7sx3mQ#1275028913 _G2xGc5c











