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1. Re: Can I generate and keep a folio file on my hard drive, not on my Acrobat.com account?
Kenny_Robb May 3, 2011 2:32 PM (in response to Kofi _Bonner_BNO)With you on that one. I have just tried to upload one and can't get it
back down to the iPad. When you hit Preview on the Folio Builder in Cs5 it renders it and loads it
into the desktop viewer so you would have thought it may be on the HD somewhere
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2. Re: Can I generate and keep a folio file on my hard drive, not on my Acrobat.com account?
Bob Bringhurst May 3, 2011 5:27 PM (in response to Kofi _Bonner_BNO)You cannot sideload content to the Adobe Content Viewer. However, you can use the Viewer Builder to create a custom viewer app with sideloading capabilities.
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3. Re: Can I generate and keep a folio file on my hard drive, not on my Acrobat.com account?
Kofi _Bonner_BNO May 4, 2011 6:33 AM (in response to Bob Bringhurst)The beta tools allowed this functionality (side loading folios that were saved to your desktop), but the final release version does not because the folio files are stored on the Acrobat.com servers.
One of the down sides seems to be that we can't test multiple articles in one folio anymore as we could with the beta release. It was extremely helpful to see all of the articles of an entire folio in context using the viewer before loading it onto our production testing iPad.
Also, the ability to rotate the viewer seems to have vanished with this update as well, since it can only preview one document at a time (and horizontal and vertical versions have to be saved as two separate documents.). This was very useful! Will these features be brought back, or will the folios be locked up on the servers from now on?
As an alternative, will the viewer be allowed access to the complete folio file on the Acrobat.com servers (horizontal and vertical layouts) for a more complete preview before downloading to an iPad?
Other that those issues, thanks for a really great set of authoring tools!
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4. Re: Can I generate and keep a folio file on my hard drive, not on my Acrobat.com account?
Bob Bringhurst May 4, 2011 11:51 AM (in response to Kofi _Bonner_BNO)You can preview and test multiple articles in a folio. In the Folio Builder, select the folio (not the article), and click Preview.
You should also be able to rotate the viewer to view the other layout. Perhaps you added only one layout when you created the article. If this is the case, open the document, double-click the article in the Folio Builder panel, and add the new layout. (You can also import articles from an existing folder structure.)
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5. Re: Can I generate and keep a folio file on my hard drive, not on my Acrobat.com account?
aleixtreeapps May 5, 2011 9:35 AM (in response to Bob Bringhurst)How can we sideload to a custom viewer?
I've created one, but which files do I need to send to the iPad?
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6. Re: Can I generate and keep a folio file on my hard drive, not on my Acrobat.com account?
Kofi _Bonner_BNO May 11, 2011 8:30 AM (in response to Bob Bringhurst)Thanks - that worked! I overlooked that.
So, it looks like we won't be allowed local access to the FOLIO file (as in, saving it to our own hard drive) after the beta release; it will only exist "in the cloud". This is disappointing, and I guess it's in the interest of keeping people from distributing or hosting their own FOLIO files on their own servers (instead of paying Adobe do it).
It's too bad because by delivering FOLIO files we create to clients who have the Adobe Content Viewer installed* on their iPads, we could be making really nice tech-savvy presentations for them to use at trade shows, internal meetings, pitches, etc... Basically, the Adobe Content Viewer could act like the the free Acrobat Reader, but for the iPad, opening FOLIO files instead of PDFs. Hopefully, this or something similar is in the works.
With the current pricing structure, it's too cost prohibitive to make simple presentations. It does make a lot of sense to make digital magazines, though. I'm hoping that another pricing structure will be considered for more simple presentation-like apps (and hoping that the FOLIO files can eventually be saved to our hard drives). Thanks for your time Bob!
*You can side-load folio files on to the Adobe Content Viewer - at least until an update takes that feature out
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7. Re: Can I generate and keep a folio file on my hard drive, not on my Acrobat.com account?
John J Metzger May 11, 2011 9:37 AM (in response to Kofi _Bonner_BNO)To distribute folios to a simple audience just share the folio via the Folio Producer panel to your readers. Anyone with the Adobe Conter viewer tool on their device and an acrobat.com account can download and view the folio in the content viewer.
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8. Re: Can I generate and keep a folio file on my hard drive, not on my Acrobat.com account?
Kofi _Bonner_BNO May 11, 2011 9:58 AM (in response to John J Metzger)Thanks - that's sounds really great! As long as the Adobe Content Viewer app is going to be here to stay and keep this functionality, this will work great for us. I still prefer the option to locally store a FOLIO file, but this is surely a workable option as is.
Does anyone have any official word that the Adobe Content Viewer will maintain this functionality? It seems essential, especially for clients to approve drafts of iPad app/publications/presentations that are in-progress.
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9. Re: Can I generate and keep a folio file on my hard drive, not on my Acrobat.com account?
Kofi _Bonner_BNO May 11, 2011 11:09 AM (in response to John J Metzger)Is it possible to upoad files larger than 100 MB to an Acrobat.com account? Our presentations contain video and will always be larger than 100 MB. Is there a premium that can be paid to allow the upload of single files larger than 100 MB?
Integration through an Acrobat.com account is very convenient and useful, but the file size restriction wouldn't work for us. This is another reason we're hoping FOLIO files can be saved locally and stored on our own servers.
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10. Re: Can I generate and keep a folio file on my hard drive, not on my Acrobat.com account?
John J Metzger May 11, 2011 11:14 AM (in response to Kofi _Bonner_BNO)I believe that since CS5 and the introduction of CS Review for video files that the limit is now 2GB for individual files on Acrobat.com.
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11. Re: Can I generate and keep a folio file on my hard drive, not on my Acrobat.com account?
Kofi _Bonner_BNO May 11, 2011 11:37 AM (in response to John J Metzger)Drat - it's not working for us. Our paid Acrobat.com account is still not letting us upload files larger than 100 MB. Can anyone confirm the file size limit?
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12. Re: Can I generate and keep a folio file on my hard drive, not on my Acrobat.com account?
landrvr1 May 13, 2011 3:32 PM (in response to Kofi _Bonner_BNO)Please tell me this 100MB limit is a joke...
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13. Re: Can I generate and keep a folio file on my hard drive, not on my Acrobat.com account?
Kofi _Bonner_BNO May 16, 2011 6:29 AM (in response to landrvr1)I'm hoping this is just an error for my (paid) account, or will be updated soon - 100 MB isn't going to cut it. There are other options for digital publishing like Roving Bird (not as deep as Adobe's solution) and of course QuarkXPress, who seem to be willing to give a little to woo potential users. QuarkXPress allows users to host their own publication files for distribution on whatever server you want, including your own.
We'd need at LEAST 500 MB for this to be useful, and at least 1GB to be a real solution... or just let us store and share the files from our own server!
Despite this, the Adobe solution is still looking quite good.
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14. Re: Can I generate and keep a folio file on my hard drive, not on my Acrobat.com account?
David Ben May 17, 2011 12:57 PM (in response to Kofi _Bonner_BNO)The current "Quarkexpress" option is being discontinued and replaced with the aquafados Digital Publishing solution. You can get the same solution within Indesign for the same price and functionality. Aquafados released the pricing earlier last week.,. @$500 for a single app... and an "in app purchase publication" starting at $1500+(300 X the number of publications you can purchase inside the app) ... Since the entire solution is XML content pulled from the server based.. if you have a $5 shared server environment... you will see a dramatic "lag" in your apps performance and any website you have hosted. We have been testing both and Adobe's solution is still top for us.. both in value and performance.
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15. Re: Can I generate and keep a folio file on my hard drive, not on my Acrobat.com account?
gustavvidlund May 17, 2011 12:50 PM (in response to John J Metzger)Can you describe the process for downloading the file from Acrobat.com to the iPad?
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16. Re: Can I generate and keep a folio file on my hard drive, not on my Acrobat.com account?
Bob Levine May 17, 2011 12:53 PM (in response to gustavvidlund)Just sign in on the iPad using the same user id and password. You'll receive notification of an issue being available.
Bob
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17. Re: Can I generate and keep a folio file on my hard drive, not on my Acrobat.com account?
Kofi _Bonner_BNO May 17, 2011 1:00 PM (in response to gustavvidlund)Yes - just as Bob said, and this works beautifully, but only if the FOLIO file generated from InDesign is less than 100 MB.
In my experience, I have not been able to export from InDesign and (automatically) upload, then subsequently download from my Acrobat.com account to the iPad with a file that is larger than 100 MB.
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18. Re: Can I generate and keep a folio file on my hard drive, not on my Acrobat.com account?
gustavvidlund May 17, 2011 1:02 PM (in response to Bob Levine)Thanks Bob,
Just realized how it's supposed to work... I consider myself to be a fairly normally gifted person, so after having spent about 3 h figuring out the new workflow including visiting numerous forums, googling, calling my Adobe contact in Sweden (I thank god for getting hold of that cell phone number) and watching a few Adobe videos I must say that Adobe have failed introducing this new version of the software.
/Gustav
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19. Re: Can I generate and keep a folio file on my hard drive, not on my Acrobat.com account?
landrvr1 May 17, 2011 1:12 PM (in response to Kofi _Bonner_BNO)Whoa whoa. Let's backup a second.
100MB limit?
Where is this called out on the Acrobat.com pricing page? lol.
Is this increased with the paid Basic or Plus service?
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20. Re: Can I generate and keep a folio file on my hard drive, not on my Acrobat.com account?
John J Metzger May 17, 2011 1:22 PM (in response to landrvr1)Each individual article is limited to 100M, not the entire folio. Folio's are made up of articles and the limit on the size of a folio is the limit on the amount of storage space you have purchased in Acrobat.com. I believe the free ADC account is limited to 2GB of storage.
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21. Re: Can I generate and keep a folio file on my hard drive, not on my Acrobat.com account?
landrvr1 May 17, 2011 1:25 PM (in response to John J Metzger)Where is that spelled out?
And does the 100MB limit per article increase with the Basic and Plus paid versions?
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22. Re: Can I generate and keep a folio file on my hard drive, not on my Acrobat.com account?
Kofi _Bonner_BNO May 17, 2011 1:34 PM (in response to John J Metzger)I think that's true (Each individual article is limited to 100MB - still waiting for an official confirmation), but the problem is you can't accurately preview things like page jump links (a link on one page to go to another page, for example, a table of contents) if you can only add one folio at a time.
Is there a way to combine multiple 100 MB articles into one folio, then download and preview it as a complete digital magazine on the iPad?
It was much, much easier in the Beta version of this software, which allowed you to side load ANY SIZE article or multiple articles combined into one file on the iPad. This is reliant on the file that is generated from InDesign to be stored either locally, or on the user's own specified server. Local files was perfect. I think I can understand why the files are being locked up "in the cloud", but it's not working out for us.
We need to be able to share digital publication in-progress with clients - the full iPad experience, not just one article at a time. I'm looking forward to the solution from Adobe; I'm sure they're working on a model that works for those of us who are not huge print publishers who are making digital editions.
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23. Re: Can I generate and keep a folio file on my hard drive, not on my Acrobat.com account?
landrvr1 May 17, 2011 1:39 PM (in response to Kofi _Bonner_BNO)..and 100MB limit? Jeesh. That means pretty much any video content over 30sec long is out. lol.
Does the DPS subscribtion service have this kind of limitation??
Again, anyone know if the paid acrobat.com plans have this limit?
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24. Re: Can I generate and keep a folio file on my hard drive, not on my Acrobat.com account?
David Ben May 17, 2011 1:51 PM (in response to landrvr1)There are ways to "streamline" your file size.
From the Documentation:
Currently, you cannot specify a URL to stream audio or video from the web using the Audio & Video overlay. However, you can stream media using a Web Content overlay or an HTML article.
So it is possible to host your own content to view inside of your folio. HTML is really handy esp HTML5 (which we have extended to show things like youtube video inside our folios).
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25. Re: Can I generate and keep a folio file on my hard drive, not on my Acrobat.com account?
Kofi _Bonner_BNO May 17, 2011 2:03 PM (in response to landrvr1)I haven't gotten a confirmation from Adobe about the 100MB limit being lifted, but we're using a paid account and are still restricted to 100MB uploads. We can stream the video, but prefer to have the option to embed it in the file so users aren't required to have 3G or Wi-Fi access to get the full use of the app/presentation/digital magazine that we produce.
We're also looking into another option that also looks pretty interesting, and is pretty tightly integrated with InDesign (CS5 AND CS4). It's in beta now, I believe, but it allows side-loading of files, so there is basically no limit. Have a look at http://www.aquafadas.com - download their iPad app and you can view a preview of their solution.
I don't mean to keep harping on this, but the Adobe solution is pretty stellar besides this fact. I'm sure Adobe is working on a solution (which in my imagination is a broader solution which would be pretty cool), and I'm looking forward to it, but for now, the 100MB limit is cramping our style.
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26. Re: Can I generate and keep a folio file on my hard drive, not on my Acrobat.com account?
landrvr1 May 17, 2011 2:05 PM (in response to Kofi _Bonner_BNO)But again....is there a 100MB limit with the DPS service? Or just the Acrobat.com hosting method?
At $5000+, I'd certainly hope not.
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27. Re: Can I generate and keep a folio file on my hard drive, not on my Acrobat.com account?
David Ben May 17, 2011 2:20 PM (in response to Kofi _Bonner_BNO)Yah we have been testing the aquafadas solution as well, but found that because it depends so much on YOUR server environment it is slow performing. The pricing structure is also high. { $500 per one publication app and $1500 + ($300 X the number of issues) for "multi issue" apps} i haven't herd much on the size limit though i try and ask.
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28. Re: Can I generate and keep a folio file on my hard drive, not on my Acrobat.com account?
John J Metzger May 17, 2011 2:35 PM (in response to landrvr1)100MB per article not per Folio.A folio is made up of articles, each of which have 1 or 2 layouts per article.
Considering that Wired, MSLO, Nat GEO and others manage to fit about 60-80 high design, high resolution, highly interactive articles into 500mb or so, I'm curious what content is being authored that is hitting up against this limit. Sure, I know you can hit this by embedding video into an article. I'm just curious why you are choosing digital publishing to do this sort of distribution.
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29. Re: Can I generate and keep a folio file on my hard drive, not on my Acrobat.com account?
landrvr1 May 17, 2011 2:54 PM (in response to Kofi _Bonner_BNO)Everyone keeps thinking MAGAZINES.
There's more to publishing than magazines.
Let's take a product brochure. It could have several articles, each featuring an aspect of the product or different models. Many of which could include video demos. If you've got a 3min demo video, you may be hard pressed to get that file size down to an acceptable level and keep the quality.
So this is definitely an ARTICLE limitation, no matter what the distribution platform, correct?
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30. Re: Can I generate and keep a folio file on my hard drive, not on my Acrobat.com account?
David Ben May 17, 2011 3:15 PM (in response to landrvr1)Landrv1 What happened to your argument that you wanted to load from your server your server your server? if your streaming a video from your server you wont see a bloated file size. Wired's current biggest complaint is the fact they embed all the video inside the app creating these HUGE files. LOL im checking with our licensing partner to see what the currently limitation is for file size for pro accounts if any.
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31. Re: Can I generate and keep a folio file on my hard drive, not on my Acrobat.com account?
landrvr1 May 17, 2011 3:29 PM (in response to Kofi _Bonner_BNO)streaming = horrid solution
Because I'm not creating magazines - but promo material - the people grabbing the folios will just have to suffer the 1.5GB download.
They have classes available where they learn to blow through that pain. lol.
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32. Re: Can I generate and keep a folio file on my hard drive, not on my Acrobat.com account?
David Ben May 17, 2011 3:55 PM (in response to landrvr1)jeez are you leaving these videos full rez?! It is not like your showing these videos on a 1080 Dpi screen.
The Adobe partner that we are working with said the Acrobat.com limit does not apply to DPS clients using the DPS dashboard.
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33. Re: Can I generate and keep a folio file on my hard drive, not on my Acrobat.com account?
landrvr1 May 17, 2011 4:02 PM (in response to David Ben)lol. Not at all. Many vids will be animations at 864x480 - not even 720p!
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34. Re: Can I generate and keep a folio file on my hard drive, not on my Acrobat.com account?
David Ben May 18, 2011 3:19 PM (in response to landrvr1)Adobe gave word today that the 100MB limit applies to both paid and free accounts as well as the DPS customers (because they all run on the acrobat.com framework) They based the limit off the Folios they were seeing from the pre-release and may or maynot update the limit in future releases.
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35. Re: Can I generate and keep a folio file on my hard drive, not on my Acrobat.com account?
Bob Levine May 18, 2011 3:22 PM (in response to David Ben)Gave word where? That doesn't sound right at all.
Bob
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36. Re: Can I generate and keep a folio file on my hard drive, not on my Acrobat.com account?
John J Metzger May 18, 2011 3:31 PM (in response to David Ben)That's not exactly what was said....
The 100MB limit per file exists for both paid DPS and free acrobat.com customers. It's a technical limitation we will look to remove in a future release. We scanned the existing folios marked as public on the distribution service and across all the content put up by the desktop bundler (which did not have the 100MB per article limit) and the largest article we found was 70MB.
I'd love to hear the use cases for articles over 100MB because we have a lot of professional publishers generating content on the system and they aren't hitting that limit today. As we look to add new features and address new customers it helps me to understand these real world scenarios so we can make the software work for everyone.
For example I'd love to hear what the 1.5GB folio of promotional material is being used for. How many articles does it contain, what's the audience, etc.
I also read all the arguments both pro and con for sideloading.
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37. Re: Can I generate and keep a folio file on my hard drive, not on my Acrobat.com account?
John J Metzger May 18, 2011 3:35 PM (in response to John J Metzger)Please remember that the 100MB limit is not on a folio. It's per article. Folios consist of multiple articles and folios can be up to the size of storage in your acrobat.com account (currently 2GB for a free account).
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38. Re: Can I generate and keep a folio file on my hard drive, not on my Acrobat.com account?
David Ben May 18, 2011 3:39 PM (in response to John J Metzger)John i updated my response on the pre-release forum as this is where you orginally discussed the consideration for the limit. But what your saying as of Today the limit stands? and we will have to wait for a future release to see the limit lifted? Is Adobe planning on adding this to the documentation beause i know its a frequent question from my own clients as well as forum users.
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39. Re: Can I generate and keep a folio file on my hard drive, not on my Acrobat.com account?
John J Metzger May 18, 2011 3:42 PM (in response to David Ben)As of today the limit exists. It's not a quota issue where I can just bump it from 100MB to something larger. To change the limit requires engineering changes and needs to be scoped and scheduled. It will get addressed, I'm not at liberty to provide dates on when that will be.





