Interesting effort. Let us know how you progress, but I'm not convinced you will see significant performance gains. BFTB-wise (bang-for-the-buck) this does not look appealing. We have one dual AMD Opteron system with 16 cores in the PPBM5 Benchmark and that system is still around three times slower than a finely tuned i7-950 or i7-920, despite 40 GB memory. If you add the cost of Server Enterprise and the ECC memory, it looks like you are better off with a superb disk I/O system and then SATA connectors are completely irrelevant. Even quadrupling the number of cores by using eight physical CPU's with 64 cores will not result in a four time performance gain to bypass a lowly 920.
Well what I notice about benchmarks is that they are merely objective. Of course measurements such as encode time or export time
matters, however what benchmarks can't measure is the user's experience.
Consider the case when your workflow becomes choppy or non-responsive, or being able to process a queue of exports while working on another edit, these are things I believe more cores and more RAM can help.
Imagine being able to ingest, edit, export and write to a distribution media (i.e. burning a bluray disc) all at once. This is something more cores and more ram can do for sure.
Again, this project is for the professional who's time is exponentially more valuable than most, whereas the average joe may not find this solution cost efficient.
I should also add that with the increasing presence of higher quality recording devices/camcorders such as the Atomos Ninja (4:2:2 ProRes) and Sony PMW-F3 with S-Log 4:4:4 recording, files are getting ever larger and larger. The upcoming RED Epic is going to record video at well over 1GB a second! Even the prosumer RED Scarlet is going to be near half a GB per second!
So more cores and more RAM is going to be necessary in the very near future to deal with such large and high resolution video files!
I should also note that many users who install Windows Server Operating Systems as their workstation OS have reported that it is more stable and more quicker than the consumer Windows counterpart. It is also more stable and harder to crash. This performance + reliability may also attract professionals looking for a robust yet more efficient work environment.
OK, there was a slight change in the installation as I installed the Collection Master Suite CS5.5 instead. Installed as trial version as my CS5 disc 2 was scratched and could not be read (any idea how I can get disc 2 replaced????)
Tested Premiere Pro CS5.5 with GPU hack as well and it works. Placed an AVCHD and .mov file into timeline and it works!
Now a few tips to get it working on Windows Server 2008 R2:
- Install the Adobe software like usual.
- After install or before install, ensure that the 'Desktop Experience' is installed as this will install Windows Media Player. Without WMP, Premiere Pro will NOT start.
- Also ensure to enable Audio Services for Windows Server 2008 R2 as audio is disabled by default.
**See http://www.win2008workstation.com/ for more information on how to convert Windows Server into a Windows 7-like environment, a very simple step-by-step tutorial.
- When playing back the AVCHD (from NEX-VG10 camcorder) and .mov (from Canon EOS 60D camera) I did not get any audio until I installed Quicktime and did the GPU hack to enable support for my Geforce GTX 295. Then audio worked!
- When installing Quicktime, the Windows 7 64-bit version will do.
- So there you have it guys, Adobe software does appear to work with Windows Server 2008 R2. I say 'appears' as I have only tested Premiere Pro CS5.5 and not the other software.
When you have finalized your installation and tuning, I would be very interested to see your results on the PPBM5 Benchmark
What might be especially interesting is to see the difference between 16, 32, 48 or 64 cores and say 24, 48, 96 and 192 GB of memory.
Note that Adobe Technical Support will not be able to give you any assistance with this system, since you're running the software on an unsupported operating system.
Well it won't be for a while as a 48 core system is very very expensive. Hopefully I can save up for next next summer!
PS: Windows Server 2008 R2 Enterprise/Datacenter Editions support up to 2TB of RAM (far exceeding the 192GB limit of Windows 7). The motherboards listed in the first post can take up to 512GB!!! I would also guess that the person's workflow would definitely affect the performance of having that much RAM. For instance, someone working in R3D files at a 4K resolution will benefit more for sure than someone working in AVCHD.
I am also interested in your experiences w/Windows Server 2008 r2.
My institution would like to put together a renderfarm to support a variety of software, including Adobe products (where that is feasible). What's important to know is that mainstream vendors such as Dell only certify server OS (Windows Server 2008 or Linux) options on high density blade server configurations. This gap between software and hardware vendor certification is a recurring theme...
It is true that specialty hardware vendors, such as Boxx, will support Windows 7 with their high-density rackmounted products.
Thanks for performing your experiment and posting the setup procedure & results!
YES WORKS !
Works very very well . We bougth from TitanUS an A450 Workstation with 512Gb of RAM, with 4 16Cores Opterons, and a GTX580 witn 4 GB of DDR5 menory and 384 CUDA, and Tesla 2050 with more 4Gb DDR5 memory and more 448 CUDA all V3.1 and 8x500GB of raid 0 volume..
The 64 cores runs bealtifully. AMD is really far superior that Intel .
The windows server 2008 is in fact a very very very powerfull workstation software, around 10 times more stable that any other software , evem MAC.
After install , you simply enable Desktop experience , Themes Service, Image services, Audio service, Windows management Instrumentation, DCOM, and others workstartations services that are there , but disabled by default . The same way u can disable some only related server services , like IIS, RRAS, ROUTER, WINS, DNS, DHCP , AD, and Etc .
You can insyall any windows7 theme especially if u hack the desktop experience with Theme UX 64 Patch widely availabe over the net .
Afyer that , 99% of windows 7 software will run flawlessly in server
Here we have "finely tuned I7-950" overclocked , water colled running @4.2Ghz with 48 GB of 1600 DDr3 memory, and our 64Cores beast colled by 4 Cooler master 14cm dualfan , runing @ 4 Ghz , is around 36% faster than I7 edditing in 4K RED tile line . The stupid power of GXT580 and tesla is enoutg to dismiss any render in timeline , and with the Boost of Rovi TotalCode6.1 this machine is very very fast . For info , it capable to export a 36 minutes 4k movie in 11 ~ 14 minutes with all effects, color correction etc, in AVC HD or MPEG BluRay. In fact the export time is less than half the time the material to be exported. In the I7 machine, the time of export is about 85% to 90% of the time the finalized material . It's a really significant gain. Thanks to AMD with this magnificent project that is the Opteron Processor .
Did you have to do anything differently to install it? I can get all the trail products to go all the way through and say intializing install but after that nada.
I cant run the benchmark tests as I can not even install the adobe products.
I cant run the benchmark tests as I can not even install the adobe products.
So much for a great system that does not work...
I forgot that completely... the benchmark site you refer , Mr. Milard, is discontinued . Do not accept new tests.
In the several years since Harm responded to you PPBM has going two generations beyond PPBM5. Also our dear Harm Millaard has passed away. Because of that I cannot properly maintain our newer PPBM7 site.
Gosh , what a sad thing , did not know he had passed away.
Regarding the site PPBM , the few days I learned to new PPBM 7 , even made my registration , I verified the email, but have not received the approval e-mail .
Very sad the death of Mr. Millaard , he was very present here in adobe forum.
Bill if uou want some help to maintain PPBM7, fell free to ask. Pehaps that have something that can o do for you .