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1. Re: Very sluggish timeline response with avchd & 990x + 24G RAM+ 580gtx?
Anthony Freeman 99 May 23, 2011 8:20 AM (in response to Anthony Freeman 99)Oh one more thing , I have not turned off "Rule 5: Turn off index search and compression. Both will cause severe performance hits if you leave them on. " As per "Harm's storage guide" as I am not sure where to find these settings. Do you think that this could be the factor causing the lack of response?
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2. Re: Very sluggish timeline response with avchd & 990x + 24G RAM+ 580gtx?
John T Smith May 23, 2011 8:38 AM (in response to Anthony Freeman 99)Using Windows Explorer, click on a drive letter
Then right click to pop up an options window... in Properties is where you will see indexing
Set to off for drive AND folders, and apply... takes a few seconds for the process to run
Search here for more Microsoft help http://search.microsoft.com/search.aspx?mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US
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3. Re: Very sluggish timeline response with avchd & 990x + 24G RAM+ 580gtx?
Anthony Freeman 99 May 23, 2011 10:14 AM (in response to John T Smith)Hi John,
Thank you. I have tried turning it off, and unfortunately it makes no noticeable difference. Its still very slugish
Any other ideas please?
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4. Re: Very sluggish timeline response with avchd & 990x + 24G RAM+ 580gtx?
Scott Chichelli May 23, 2011 10:29 AM (in response to Anthony Freeman 99)HI,
software raid is garbage.
the right way to set up your drives
1) buy a raid card to do a raid 5,6
or
2)
A) OS drive
B) 2 drives in raid 0 using onboard raid (media/work drive)
C) 2 drives in raid 0 using onboard raid (export drive EG render to)
better to read from one set and write to another unless you get up to an 8 drive raid 5
thats the right way to do it.
Scott
ADK
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5. Re: Very sluggish timeline response with avchd & 990x + 24G RAM+ 580gtx?
Anthony Freeman 99 May 23, 2011 10:45 AM (in response to Scott Chichelli)Hi Scott,
Thank you. I have ordered a Intel Big Laurel 8 channel card but the supplier is still a month away from recieving the stock.
How do I go about setting up 2 x Raid 0 arrays please? When I go into the BIOS on the Asus Ramgage extreme 3 it allows me to select the drives that I want to RAID and the Level, and it also allows me to name the array.
a) Do I do this process twice in order to create two Raid 0 arrays please?
b) Will Windows 7 go through that whole initialization process for RAID 0 as well (is it normal for windows 7 to do that on the drive, or should the raid array be active and working as soon as the operating system loads)?
c) Will this affect the response in the timeline to be more instantaneous?
Really appreciate the assistance.
Regards
Anthony
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6. Re: Very sluggish timeline response with avchd & 990x + 24G RAM+ 580gtx?
Bill Gehrke May 23, 2011 11:03 AM (in response to Anthony Freeman 99)Anthony Freeman 99 wrote:
Hi Scott,
Thank you. I have ordered a Intel Big Laurel 8 channel card but the supplier is still a month away from recieving the stock.
How do I go about setting up 2 x Raid 0 arrays please? When I go into the BIOS on the Asus Ramgage extreme 3 it allows me to select the drives that I want to RAID and the Level, and it also allows me to name the array.
a) Do I do this process twice in order to create two Raid 0 arrays please?
b) Will Windows 7 go through that whole initialization process for RAID 0 as well (is it normal for windows 7 to do that on the drive, or should the raid array be active and working as soon as the operating system loads)?
c) Will this affect the response in the timeline to be more instantaneous?
Really appreciate the assistance.
Regards
Anthony
a) I have never done this so I do not know
b) With RAID 0 the initialization process is instantaneous
c) yes
Here is a RS2BL080 in stock or you might check with Scott at ADK to see if they will sell you one.
Have you tuned your OS?
Message was edited by: Bill Gehrke
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7. Re: Very sluggish timeline response with avchd & 990x + 24G RAM+ 580gtx?
Anthony Freeman 99 May 23, 2011 11:22 AM (in response to Bill Gehrke)Hi Bill thank you.
I understand you havent done it before, but is it possible to do 2 RAID 0 in the BIOS. (Im a rookie at this dont want to be spending ages to find out that it cant be done)?
I have committed to this supplier but perhaps it is possible for me to cancel. How do I contact Scott Privately in order to ask him about the card. I do live in South Africa so im not sure if he ships internationaly ?
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8. Re: Very sluggish timeline response with avchd & 990x + 24G RAM+ 580gtx?
Scott Chichelli May 23, 2011 11:46 AM (in response to Anthony Freeman 99)HI,
there are 2 bios 1 for the raid and 1 for the system
in the raid bios yes you can create 2 sets raid 0 at one time.
if i were you i would just cancel the raid card unless you need to have redundancy as the raid 5 will not offer you any better performance for your workflow.
Scott
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9. Re: Very sluggish timeline response with avchd & 990x + 24G RAM+ 580gtx?
Anthony Freeman 99 May 23, 2011 12:12 PM (in response to Scott Chichelli)Scott thanks for this. If I could get this right without the RAID card I'd be very glad.
I have created the 2 Raid 0 in the Bios. Windows now wants me to initialise the 2 Raid Arrays. (I made the arrays with 128kb and not 64kb)
1) I selected MBR instead of GUID (because the arrays are smaller than 2T ) is this correct?
2) When I right click on the new drive in order to allocate it a drive letter should I select
a) New Simple Volume
b) New Spanned Volume
c) New Striped Volume
d) New Mirrored Volume
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10. Re: Very sluggish timeline response with avchd & 990x + 24G RAM+ 580gtx?
RjL190365 May 23, 2011 7:42 PM (in response to Anthony Freeman 99)Anthony,
In the Disk Management, use the "New Simple Volume" selection to format each of the RAID 0'd pairs. You do not want any other selection as it will try to create a Microsoft software RAID with the other RAID 0'd pair - and then, you'd be running the risk of stability issues due to running two different RAID software drivers in the same system.
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11. Re: Very sluggish timeline response with avchd & 990x + 24G RAM+ 580gtx?
Anthony Freeman 99 May 24, 2011 3:55 AM (in response to RjL190365)Rj and Scott Thanks
Right so Ive set up the 2 x Raid 0 arrays, and I have allocated them as simple drives, as instructed, the problem now is as follows.
I booted up premier and tried to assign the various preview and scratch disks as follows a get an error based on this setup below:
Drive Letter Description Designation Path in Premier CS5 C: OS and Premier - WD 10k velociraptor Location of Premier project file H: Generic Backup drive - 1 Terebyte seagate barracudda 7200 sata Captured Video + Captured Audio I: Anthony Raid 1 (RAID 0) - comprising 2 x 1t seagate barracudda 7200 sata Video Previews J: Anthony Raid 2 (RAID 0) - comprising 2 x 1t seagate barracudda 7200 sata Audio Previews H: Generic Backup drive -1 Terebyte seagate barracudda 7200 sata The error says:
Question 1: How do I make the scratch disks unwriteprotected?
Question 2: Are my Designation selections in premier for the Audio/ Video previews/ project files all correct?
Your help would be greatly appreciated.
Kind regards
Anthony Freeman
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12. Re: Very sluggish timeline response with avchd & 990x + 24G RAM+ 580gtx?
Harm Millaard May 24, 2011 6:45 AM (in response to Anthony Freeman 99)Make sure you are logged on with full administrator rights.
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13. Re: Very sluggish timeline response with avchd & 990x + 24G RAM+ 580gtx?
Anthony Freeman 99 May 24, 2011 7:02 AM (in response to Harm Millaard)Hi Harm how are you? thank you. How do I log on with full administrator rights? I didnt set up a password when the machine boots up.
Please can you also see that you are happy with the table above of how I have split the drives vs function in premier?
Kind Regards Anthony
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14. Re: Very sluggish timeline response with avchd & 990x + 24G RAM+ 580gtx?
ECBowen May 24, 2011 8:14 AM (in response to Anthony Freeman 99)Are the volumes still formatting?
Eric
ADK
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15. Re: Very sluggish timeline response with avchd & 990x + 24G RAM+ 580gtx?
Anthony Freeman 99 May 24, 2011 9:37 AM (in response to ECBowen)Hi Erik no they are formatted as RAID 0 as above. I have managed to select the RAID drives as preview drives now. But am still experiencing this much dreaded lag in the timeline on AVCHD footage shot on the sony mcx40.
Are my preference settings correct as in the above table?
Is it correct to have the premier project on the c drive?
Perhaps thats the problem.
As per previous advice I have now a) turned off the indexing b) Raid 0 the drives
Thank you.
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16. Re: Very sluggish timeline response with avchd & 990x + 24G RAM+ 580gtx?
Darren Hall May 24, 2011 10:01 AM (in response to Anthony Freeman 99)Hi Anthony,
try put the captured video on one of the raid drives 'I' and try again and try all the video and audio previews on the other raid "J"
darren
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17. Re: Very sluggish timeline response with avchd & 990x + 24G RAM+ 580gtx?
Anthony Freeman 99 May 24, 2011 10:21 AM (in response to Darren Hall)Hi Darren,
I hope that you are well. Yes i have just tried that and i get the same lagging response in the timeline. I dont get it with the Dv footage though. I really wonder if anyone else is experiencing the same thing on avchd?
The footage plays fine and I can add realtime effects, its just the feel of the editing process, (completely unresponsive) which is very sub standard.
By the way the CPU shows a max of 20% usage so its hardly labouring at all.
Ram usage is indicating only 5 G out of 24 G used.
Im really wondering if Harm, Scott, Erik, Rj, John, Jim, Bill or any others have had similar issues with AVCHD? Im really starting to feel a little despondant about this brand new high spec machine that is stuggling in the timeline.
kind regards
Anthony
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18. Re: Very sluggish timeline response with avchd & 990x + 24G RAM+ 580gtx?
Darren Hall May 24, 2011 10:23 AM (in response to Anthony Freeman 99)I can only suggest you bring the footage to my place so we can test on my machine and see what happens, maybe bring the machine aswell.
darren
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19. Re: Very sluggish timeline response with avchd & 990x + 24G RAM+ 580gtx?
ECBowen May 24, 2011 11:38 AM (in response to Anthony Freeman 99)Message me with your bios settings that you have changed from default.
Eric
ADK
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20. Re: Very sluggish timeline response with avchd & 990x + 24G RAM+ 580gtx?
Anthony Freeman 99 May 24, 2011 1:07 PM (in response to ECBowen)Hi Eric,
I have imported about an hour of avchd footage onto the timeline and when I click in different places on the timeline the video preview takes close to a second to update. When I scrub the timeline its just not clean and seems to be laboring.
When I did the same test with DV footage captured from my PD170 the system is perfectly responsive. You can click anywhere on the timeline within the hour of footage and the video preview screen above the timeline updates instantly to reflect the video frame at that point. This is not so for the AVCHD timeline.
The extact same sluggish phenomena is found whilst trying to scrub the AVCHD footage in the timeline. You will see skipped frames in the video preview window. This is especially so when you hold down the shift+ right arrow or shift + left arrow in order to cue or review through the footage at a higher than realitme speed, you will notice that evry 5th frame or so is updated in the video preview window. This is just not that case for the DV footage. Its prefectly smooth when scrubbing.
to make the test consistant I have put both the DV and the AVCHD footage on the same RAID drive.
Is this a drive throughput issue? (Im not sure how that can be as AVCHD is 24mb/s which is the same data rate as DV)
Is this a processor issue? (Im not sure how that can be as per my previous post the CPU is hardly labouring at all - only using 20 to 30% max)
Is this a RAM issue? (I have 20G free)
Any ideas please Eric?
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21. Re: Very sluggish timeline response with avchd & 990x + 24G RAM+ 580gtx?
Anthony Freeman 99 May 24, 2011 1:18 PM (in response to Anthony Freeman 99)HI Eric,
Sorry I just saw your request for info on the Bios
Im not sure how to message you privately but:
In the one BIOS:
In the Extreme Tweaker menu:
I changed the 2D performance from {Disabled} to {enabled}
I changed the Ai Overclock Tuner from {Auto} to {Manual}
Under Main Menu - Storage configuration I have it "Configure SATA as [RAID] and not as [ACHI]
In the RAID Bios I set up the 2 x Raid 0 Arrays to each have 2 SATA 1T seagate baracudda 32MB cache drives.
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22. Re: Very sluggish timeline response with avchd & 990x + 24G RAM+ 580gtx?
ECBowen May 24, 2011 1:24 PM (in response to Anthony Freeman 99)Sounds like bios settings specifically with the Ram and uncore. Message me with the bios settings you have changed in the bios.
Revised - You will need to call me then. To many changes to post here.
Eric
ADK
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23. Re: Very sluggish timeline response with avchd & 990x + 24G RAM+ 580gtx?
Bill Gehrke May 24, 2011 2:31 PM (in response to Anthony Freeman 99)I guess it is time for you to run the PPBM5 benchmark and let us know what you are getting. It definitely includes an AVCHD segment and includes disk and CPU tests.
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24. Re: Very sluggish timeline response with avchd & 990x + 24G RAM+ 580gtx?
Anthony Freeman 99 May 24, 2011 9:48 PM (in response to Bill Gehrke)Hi Bill can you please give me instructions on where to download, and how to run?
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25. Re: Very sluggish timeline response with avchd & 990x + 24G RAM+ 580gtx?
Harm Millaard May 25, 2011 1:30 AM (in response to Anthony Freeman 99)Look here: http://ppbm5.com/index.html
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26. Re: Very sluggish timeline response with avchd & 990x + 24G RAM+ 580gtx?
Anthony Freeman 99 May 25, 2011 3:19 AM (in response to Harm Millaard)Hi Harm do I download the main file and then do I have to do an update?
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27. Re: Very sluggish timeline response with avchd & 990x + 24G RAM+ 580gtx?
Harm Millaard May 25, 2011 3:39 AM (in response to Anthony Freeman 99)No Anthony, the download contains the update. The separate update is only to make life easier for people who had already downloaded the earlier version.
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28. Re: Very sluggish timeline response with avchd & 990x + 24G RAM+ 580gtx?
Anthony Freeman 99 May 25, 2011 7:50 AM (in response to Harm Millaard)Hi Harm,
In step 2 of read me there is no settings button to untick audio export. Do you think you can please can send me an updated readme for 5.5, as this pertains to version 4 and im using 5.5.
It says that each step is crucial so I have no Idea what I can improvise on by clicking in the menues to find similar settings.
Many thanks
Anthony
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29. Re: Very sluggish timeline response with avchd & 990x + 24G RAM+ 580gtx?
RjL190365 May 25, 2011 8:15 AM (in response to Anthony Freeman 99)Anthony,
You are running Adobe Media Encoder (AME) CS5.5, not CS5. CS5.5 is missing that "Options" button. In this case, you will have to right-click on each individual sequence, and then left-click on "Export settings".
However, the results with CS5.5 are not comparable with those with CS5. CS5.5 will produce "slower" results in the MPEG-2 DVD encode portion of the PPBM5 benchmark than CS5.
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30. Re: Very sluggish timeline response with avchd & 990x + 24G RAM+ 580gtx?
Anthony Freeman 99 May 25, 2011 9:38 AM (in response to RjL190365)HI Rj.
Hope your'e well. Are there any other changes to the readme that I will need to make? Is there any point in doing the test if the results are not comparable or should I wait for the 5.5 version?
I have been advised by an expert to work on my Bios and OC settings to try get them correct prior to running the test. This does make alot of sense to me and I intend to attempt to do this.
Thanks
Anthony
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31. Re: Very sluggish timeline response with avchd & 990x + 24G RAM+ 580gtx?
Bill Gehrke May 25, 2011 12:16 PM (in response to Anthony Freeman 99)As you know you have to improvise a little to get CS5.5 results. I have started a temporary (unpublished as of yet) CS5.5 spread sheet. I now have weeded out some problem submissions and am able to make some conclusions on new data. So if you proceed to send the data I will try to get back to you with comments on your system.





