12 Replies Latest reply on May 28, 2011 3:16 PM by the_wine_snob

    Premiere Elements 9, smooth on the light edit, choppy on the creativity.

    AnthonyKaye

      Hey,

       

      I just bought Premiere Elements 9 (I use Premiere Pro I beleive its CS3, at my Public Access cable station), and have pulled off some kool chromoscreen stuff with/for the kids, and myself.

       

      Problem...once I get well into the editing of project (I have had no problems rendering, burin DVDs w/chapters etc., or rendering for upload to the internet) things get very dicey.

       

      I have a non-brad name computer, locally built by a very talented guy...

       

      I'm running Windows XP, home edition with service pack 3,

      an Intel Pentium 4 CPU with 3.2 GHz (2CPUs)

      2GB Ram (I would like to beef this up to 4 or 6 if I can)

      a 500GB HD (half of which is used by programs and media (personal and unused files are kept on a USB HD)

      Running DirectX 9.0c

      I have a NVIDIA GeForce 9600 GT 512MB (VRam?), all drivers up to date

       


      What is the source of the hiccups?

       

      Will the extra Ram knock this out?

       

      Thanks for the help,

       

      Anthony

        • 1. Re: Premiere Elements 9, smooth on the light edit, choppy on the creativity.
          Steve Grisetti Adobe Community Professional

          Unfortunately, your computer is way underpowered for video editing with Premiere Elements 9.

           

          For doing even basic, standard-def DV editing, you'll need at least a dual-core 2.6 ghz machine with a good load (4 gigs) or RAM. But for hi-def video and particularly AVCHD, you'll more likely need a quad core or i7 processor. Unfortunately, increasing your RAM load wouldn't likely be of much help.

           

          You don't say which format of video you're editing. But if it's anything but basic miniDV, it would explain your hiccups as you work. Sorry.

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          • 2. Re: Premiere Elements 9, smooth on the light edit, choppy on the creativity.
            the_wine_snob Level 9

            I agree with Steve.

             

            You mention "DVD" so one would assume that you are likely using SD material to start, but could be down-rezzing from HD to SD. Knowing exactly what you are working with, can go a long way to addressing where the hiccups are coming from.

             

            In very general terms, and applying to SD material here, the bottlenecks are:

             

            1. I/O Sub-system, i.e. your HDD's, their speed, size, free space, controller type, how set up and how allocated.
            2. CPU
            3. RAM

             

            With AVCHD, or any other flavor of H.264, #'s 1 & 2 are swapped.

             

            Were I working with an older computer, and doing SD video editing, I would first address the I/O, then if possible, the CPU (nowadays, this normally means a new MoBo, and probably different RAM, so not easy), and then RAM.

             

            Regarding your RAM, with XP (or any 32-bit OS), you will only be able to use ~ 4GB, and since your MoBo comes from that era, it will probably not accept more than 4GB of RAM. If I were going to keep that computer, I would go with the full 4GB, as RAM is pretty inexpensive now. Note: you can only use ~ 3.5GB of that 4GB, but will need to go to 4GB for you MoBo. I would do this AFTER I had set up my I/O for most efficient working.

             

            I feel that having two physical (very important, as partitions really slow things down and cause much more wear) is the minimum for video editing, though many do get by with but a single HDD. Those, however, are not getting the ultimate performance, that a 2x system can provide. It's like entering a stock Ford Escort into an SCCA GT race. It can be done, but will be horribly slow and frustrating, as every other car zips past you.

             

            I like a 3x system, and require such on my laptops. For the workstation, I have a 10x system, but beyond about a 3x configuration, one has to look very closely to see any improvement in performance, as they will become smaller, and smaller, as the additional HDD's are added.

             

            In a 2x I/O Sub-system, this is a good configuration:

             

            C:\ OS and programs, plus probably the Windows Virtual Memory Page File

            D:\ media, Projects, Scratch Disks

             

            If one went with 3x, then splitting media from the Projects and Scratch Disks (on D:\ and E:\) would improve things a bit more, though less so, than from going from a 1x to a 2x system.

             

            Also, one should consider tuning up both the hardware and the OS, for video editing. This ARTICLE will give you some tips. There are also some great tips in the PrE FAQ sub-forum, to the right of the PrE main page.

             

            Hope that this helps, and good luck,

             

            Hunt

            • 3. Re: Premiere Elements 9, smooth on the light edit, choppy on the creativity.
              AnthonyKaye Level 1

              First, thanks mucho for the advice.

               

              Yeah, I kinda figured the extra ram wouldn't help much, but was hoping for a quick Dodge Ram fix.

               

              The video is primarily from a video capture box or DVR DVDs (from/off Hi8 tapes ATM) but we're in the market for an HDV Camcorder (I've been drooing over the Canon Vixia HF G10, but it has a hefty price, more rationally we've been looking at both the Vixia HF10, and Panasonic HDC-TM700 too, AVCHD devices). So it looks like I will have to get a Quad Core machine in anticipation for those video sources.

               

              The wify owes me a birthday present (ratz I was gonna ask for something else ), I'll ask for a nice quad core machine and reason with her that its a necessity, and retire this old bugger to homework, internet access, and gaming.

               

              On the Quad Core machine (which will probably dedicated to Adobe Photoshop/Premiere Elements, and several other programs) if I go with 4GBs of Ram, what's the next platau of Ram that will be obviously noticable (8GBs)?

               

              And Motherbords are important too (sorry, thought I'd ask for the kitchen sink too)?


              I appreciate your time and attention (I'll give you a special thanks in my public access show, hey...I know it's only public access but more than 4 people might actually see it , I know, I know, public access?!...what can I say, I'm old school communications, ),

               

              Seriously thanks for the help,

               

              Atnthony

              • 4. Re: Premiere Elements 9, smooth on the light edit, choppy on the creativity.
                the_wine_snob Level 9

                On the Quad Core machine (which will probably dedicated to Adobe Photoshop/Premiere Elements, and several other programs) if I go with 4GBs of Ram, what's the next platau of Ram that will be obviously noticable (8GBs)?

                 

                I am going out on a bit of a limb here, and will tell you why later, but I would be looking for a new machine with Win7-64, and then looking at a minimum of 12GB RAM. The 64-bit OS can use much more RAM, than can a 32-bit OS. The 12GB RAM will give the OS plenty to work with, and more to assign to other programs. That would be my minimum.

                 

                Now that "limb." PrE is available ONLY as a 32-bit program, so is faced with the RAM limits of earlier OS's. It can only use the 32-bit assignment of RAM, but the OS still has plenty more to assign to itself and to other program, either 32-bit, or 64-bit.

                 

                As we get out to the end of that limb, Win7-64 has been lacking full 64-bit driver support. This has caused some issues, and is a big reason that several valued contributors here, advise against Win7-64. They do have a point, especially if one is ONLY working with 32-bit programs. Still, so very many PrE 9 users have Win7-64, and have had very few issues. When one has, it has mostly boiled down to some piece of hardware, or another software program and the 64-bit driver, and not just running PrE 9 on a 64-bit OS. Does MS need to address the issue of the drivers? Yes, and with absolute certaintity! Will they soon? I do not know, and am disappointed that SP-1 did not fully fix everything...

                 

                With the DVDR material, this ARTICLE might prove useful.

                 

                For analog to digital capture, see this ARTICLE.

                 

                Enough for the "Summer reading list," and happy birthday, with that new computer!

                 

                Hunt

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                • 5. Re: Premiere Elements 9, smooth on the light edit, choppy on the creativity.
                  John T Smith Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                  This is for Premiere Pro, but an idea for editing AVCHD

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                  My CS5/AVCHD 1st Impressions http://forums.adobe.com/thread/652694?tstart=0 includes a link to the computer I built... since the GTX 285 is no longer sold, I would now go with a GTX 460 or whatever is the current "best bang for the buck" - AND I would buy 4Gig-by-3Sticks memory to be able to expand from 12Gig to 24Gig if needed
                  .
                  For my home hobbyist, family movies (which means that I am not trying to recreate Star Wars with video effects or many layers) AVCHD editing is "as smooth as spreading warm butter on hot toast" (also the MP4 video from wife's Flip camera)
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                  My 3 hard drives are configured as... (WD = Western Digital)
                  1 - 320G WD Win7 64bit Pro and all program installs
                  2 - 320G WD Win7 swap file and video project files
                  3 - 1T WD all video files... input & write files
                  .

                  Since Premiere Elements is 32bit, read Win7 64bit Pro ONE example of using Virtual XP http://forums.adobe.com/thread/702693?tstart=0

                  • 6. Re: Premiere Elements 9, smooth on the light edit, choppy on the creativity.
                    AnthonyKaye Level 1

                    Awsome, thanks.

                     

                    As I said (I just spoke to the wifey and she was uncharacteristically complient, *looks over shoulder,* I think she's up to somethings, ) I'm trying to gather together what I will need for a good dedicated machine.

                     

                    I was thinking about HD too (for the new system), I knew I was gonna have to go fast, but never even considered how partitions would effect performance and having multiple drives would be better, wow,  thanks.

                     

                    Mucho appreciated,

                     

                    Thanks again,

                     

                    Anthony

                    • 7. Re: Premiere Elements 9, smooth on the light edit, choppy on the creativity.
                      AnthonyKaye Level 1

                      Awsome info, thanks guys, gives me a lot more important info to consider.

                       

                      And thanks much for the articles, and the summer reading list .

                       

                      Hey Mr. hunt, is that a fine chianti, that's not a plate of liver and fava beans I see next to you?

                       

                      With regards to the "Limb" if I get all the hardware I need for Win7 64 and stick with winXP for the mean time (until they have the driver support straightened out at MS) is that a do able, or a don't even-able, just too many inherent problems of it's own?

                       

                      Logic being running a 32bit program on a 32bitOS, on a 64bit ready machine, yeah...um, probly not right?

                       

                      Thanks,

                       

                      Anthony

                      • 8. Re: Premiere Elements 9, smooth on the light edit, choppy on the creativity.
                        the_wine_snob Level 9

                        Win7 is an improvement over XP (my beloved OS on all my machines still), so I would suggest going with Win7-32. It will ONLY be able to address 4GB of RAM, so that is all that you need. One thought would be to buy the full compliment now, so that everything matches perfectly for later, and install just 4GB. The configuration of your exact MoBo might dictate what you do here.

                         

                        Then, and especially if PrE goes 64-bit, or you move up to PrPro, do a clean install of Win7-64 at that time.

                         

                        Watch the wife, as she'll likely trade that new computer, for the Jaguar XF, that she's coveting...

                         

                        Good luck,

                         

                        Hunt

                        • 9. Re: Premiere Elements 9, smooth on the light edit, choppy on the creativity.
                          John T Smith Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                          You may, of course, go with BOTH WinXP and Win7... I do!

                           

                          My 320Gig boot drive is 80Gig set up for WinXP (installed first... the "lower" version needs to be installed first after creating a partition using only 80Gig) and Win7 on the rest of the space

                           

                          When I restart my computer I may select which version to boot

                           

                          I have WinXP since my Pinnacle Dv500 capture/digitizing card will not work under Win7

                           

                          Search http://search.microsoft.com/search.aspx?mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US for more information

                          • 10. Re: Premiere Elements 9, smooth on the light edit, choppy on the creativity.
                            the_wine_snob Level 9

                            John T.,

                             

                            Thanks for that. I had forgotten that you were running a dual-boot system. One of the few good uses for partitons too.

                             

                            Hunt

                            • 11. Re: Premiere Elements 9, smooth on the light edit, choppy on the creativity.
                              John T Smith Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                              > few good uses for partitons

                               

                              Since I don't use the WinXP partition while in Win7, I think a dual boot setup is the ONLY good use of partitions!

                              • 12. Re: Premiere Elements 9, smooth on the light edit, choppy on the creativity.
                                the_wine_snob Level 9

                                I agree completely. The other use is for recovery, where a small portion of C:\ becomes D:\ just for an Image of the OS. Again, that partition is not used in any normal operation, and is only for a restore function. Personally, I like a separate recovery DVD, but many companies do the D:\ partition.

                                 

                                Hunt