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1. Re: Reverse speed is not reversing my video clip
Ann Bens Jun 17, 2011 4:31 AM (in response to digiday)This could be an issue between Premiere and W7.
What kind of footage is it?
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2. Re: Reverse speed is not reversing my video clip
digiday Jun 17, 2011 11:05 AM (in response to Ann Bens)Hi Ann,
It is an AVI file, which seems to be the only kind of file that Premiere 6 will import at all besides some MPEG imports that I haven't tried.
It is a type II AVI file, I beleive. This file otherwise imports and plays correctly in other movie making apps and it plays in Windows Media Player. I beleive it is uncompressed, but most of the AVI files that I import in to Premiere are uncompressed. This one is a 26 mb file, but I am able to use the same type of AVI files from the same conversion source that are up to 2 gigabytes in size, but none of them will do the reverse speed effect from Premeire.
After trying to save this file from Premiere with quite a few codecs, including the Lagarith and MSU codecs, I ended up saving this file from Premiere using the CamStudio codec and then importing it in to "Xander's Video Time Reversal" app to finally get a reversed file... this was the only combination of things that gave me the reversed effect.
The original file was a WMV file saved from MS PhotoStory 3, then converted to a different type of WMV file through MS Movie Maker 6, then converted to AVI through the WinFF Converter, then imported in to Premiere 6 and a motion graphic from a still PSD file was placed on top of the converted AVI video... then, in spite of the -100% speed setting in Premiere given to the motion graphic from the PSD (and I tried giving the AVI file the -100% setting in the timeline too, even though that part didn't need to be reversed) I could not get a reverse motion clip.
I have always been saving with the Lagarith codec from Premiere 6 because, though the files are large and apparently uncompressed, they always work when importing in to other movie making apps. These apparent uncompressed AVI files play choppy in Windows Media Player, and in the previews of the Windows Movie Maker apps, but they always render correctly and quite sharp in the Movie Maker apps.
But in order to get a type II AVI file that would work correctly and render a reversed file in "Xander's Video Time Reversal" app, which requires a type II AVI file, I needed to save my forward motion file from Premiere with the CamStudio codec. Other codecs present in Premiere 6, including the Lagarith and MSU codecs, would render type II AVI files that would play in Windows Media Player, but then they would produce blank or corrupt files in the Xander's Video Time Reversal app.
It took allot of trial and error, but this was the only work flow that finally worked... MS PhotoStory 3 WMV to MS Movie Maker 6 WMV to WinFF Converter AVI to Premiere 6 with CamStudio codec AVI (for placing a PSD motion graphic) to Xander's Video Time Reversal AVI, then finally plugged in to Windows Live Movie Maker 2011 to be combined with some other material (including a sequence of one-tenth second clip frame animations), then re-imported back to MS Movie Maker 6 in the final production... whew!
PS: I forgot to say, after setting all four of my email alerts settings to recieve notices from thread responses here, and after getting no email alerts from this Adobe forum on any of my threads, a few weeks ago I chatted with an Adobe rep who said they would look in to the issue. Then a few hours later I suddenly got a large dump of around 150 email alerts from my past Adobe forums threads all at once. Then I started receiving email alerts about forum responses to threads that I didn't create or reply to. Then for a while, I was correctly getting email alerts... now not I'm NOT receiving any email alerts again. It seems like if anyone could get a forum to work correctly, it would be Adobe, but I guess not.
Thanks,
digi
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3. Re: Reverse speed is not reversing my video clip
Bill Hunt Jun 17, 2011 12:09 PM (in response to digiday)Digi,
For the e-mail notification, you have probably already seen this, and probably already done everything in the ARTICLE, but take a look, just in case.
I have had only issue with e-mail notification, which I have turned completely OFF, and that was after trying to help someone with e-mail notification issues in the Forum Comments Forum. Suddenly, I received about 15,000 e-mails for every forum that I had ever visited! Adobe-Admin (John) fixed that for me from the Forum Comments Forum, and no issues since. Not sure what the heck happened, but it took about 2 days to clean all those e-mails out of my MailWasher.
Good luck, and that is some workflow. However, if it has been working for you, I cannot pan it.
Hunt
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4. Re: Reverse speed is not reversing my video clip
digiday Jun 17, 2011 1:25 PM (in response to Bill Hunt)Hi Bill,
After being sure that all four of my email settings are set correctly based on that same article that you referred me to previously, and at one point finally getting the email notices that I had been missing, before receiving email notices that had nothing to do with me, all after getting the dump of 150 past notices, I've given up on the Adobe forum email notice system... I just check back to a forum question page every so often if I've posted something. This is nothing compared to your dump of 15,000 email notices?!!!... I'd be pissed.
I recently logged in to my web mail accounts that I normally receive in an email client via a pop account setting and I found that, in spite of the way that I have them set, they had been saving every email that I've got in the past 5 months or so... hundreds and hundreds of received, deleted and draft emails in two accounts... it only took me about an hour to clean those mail boxes out, and that is still nothing compared to your 15,000 email Adobe disaster.
I'm still wondering if anyone has any input about why the reverse speed percentage settings don't work in Premiere 6 with Windows 7. I also tried something called "K-5 Video Reversal Tool" that was completely useless. Nothing, nowhere on Windows OSs seems to be able to handle reversing video except "Xander's Video Time Reversal" and that absolutely has to have type II AVIs to work and usually requires a prerequisite of "DV Converter" to convert type I AVIs to type II AVIs first, but somehow didn't need to be used in the particular workflow.
But Xander's Video Time Reversal often makes blank or corrupt reverse clips unless it has just the right kind of type II AVI files, as was the case in my workflow last night when I had to figure out, after trying many different codec exports from Premiere, to finally use the CamStudio codec to make an AVI in Premiere that would produce a working file through Xander's Video Time Reversal.
Catch ya later,
digi
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5. Re: Reverse speed is not reversing my video clip
Ann Bens Jun 17, 2011 1:29 PM (in response to digiday)Save the file as an dv-avi and try again
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6. Re: Reverse speed is not reversing my video clip
digiday Jun 17, 2011 3:33 PM (in response to Ann Bens)Hi Ann,
Do you mean to first save the file that I am importing in to Premeire as a DV-AVI and then import it in to Premeire, or do you mean to save the file as a DV-AVI out of Premiere to see if the reverse effect will then show up?
If you mean to first save the file that I'm importing in to Premiere as a DV-AVI, I don't have that option. In my work flow dissertation, you can see that I am going through the WinFF converter to get an AVI to import in to Premiere ( I also tried Freemake video converter, but it produced a problem AVI file). But neither the WinFF converter nor the Freemake converter give me to option to convert my WMV to a DV-AVI... in the two converters I'm using I have these export choices...
WinFF converter
AVI - XviD Fullscreen
AVI - XviD Widescreen
AVI - XviD Widescreen Anamorphic
AVI - MS Compatible AVI (this is the option I use in WinFF)
Then I have bitrate, framerate, pixel size and aspect ratio parameter fields. WinFF also has audio paramaters, command line parameters (I don't know command-line language) and cropping parameters fields to fill in if I choose.
Freemake Video Converter
AVI - H.264
AVI - XviD
AVI - MPEG 4
Freemake also gives me similar parameters to select from drop down menus, but sometimes in renders useless files, as in this case from my Movie Maker 6 WMV.
I had to convert to a Movie Maker 6 WMV file from a PhotoStory 3 WMV file because, for some reason, neither WinFF nor Freemake would create an AVI file from a PhotoStory 3 WMV file.
I can save a DV-AVI file from Movie Maker 6, but it doesn't give the option to create a 1280x720 size DV-AVI... Movie Maker 6 just defaults to a 720x480 DV-AVI file and there is no way to make custom AVI profiles for Movie Maker 6, or any of the Movie Maker apps, though it is fairly easy to create custom profiles for those apps to create custom size WMV files by manipulating the existing code in some of the Movie Maker WMV profile files in Notebook.
1280x720 is the format that I'm working.
The other thing is that the imported AVI file in Premiere is not the part of the video project that I was trying to reverse... the AVI file was just the background and I was actually trying to reverse the motion graphic that I had created from a transparent background PSD file that I imported in to this Premiere project. But I did try also applying the -100% figure to the imported background AVI file that were are discussing, but that made no difference in the result.
If, on the other hand, you mean that I should try to export from Premiere to "Microsoft DV AVI" format to see if I get my reverse motion, when I select that option in the "Movie Settings - General" panel, I then do not get the options to choose my 1280x720 size settings in the following "Export Movie Settings - Video" panel where the frame size fields are grayed-out and not changable, whether I have "Microsoft DV (NTSC)" or "Microsoft DV (PAL)" selected for the compressor. The DV-AVI settings in Premiere, like in Movie Maker v6 and v2.6, default to 720x480 and are apparently unchangable.
It is only when I select "Microsoft AVI" in the Premeire "Movie Settings - General" panel that it gives me the option to set my 1280x720 frame size settings.
So, this is where I am after all of this frustration... just using the little Xander's Video Time Reversal app, with it's prerequisites and eccentricities, to finally do what I needed to do last night.
digi
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7. Re: Reverse speed is not reversing my video clip
Ann Bens Jun 17, 2011 4:39 PM (in response to digiday) -
8. Re: Reverse speed is not reversing my video clip
digiday Jun 17, 2011 5:06 PM (in response to Ann Bens)Ann,
I'm not quite sure if we are following each other... you recommended DV-AVI, I didn't say I had used it in this senario.
As I wrote in my last post, I'm working with 1280x720, not 720x480, so the DV-AVI choice is no good for me here.
As for the converters, they are the only way to navigate through the narrow options that Premiere and others offer for importing, and WinFF and Freemake converters create mostly very good, usable files.
digi
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9. Re: Reverse speed is not reversing my video clip
Ann Bens Jun 17, 2011 5:55 PM (in response to digiday)Ah, missed that part you actually worked with 1280x720. Even surprised Premiere 6 will digest that.



