5 Replies Latest reply on Jun 21, 2011 7:12 PM by unkachuck

    PE9 truncates imported 3gp clips


      I'm shooting HD video on a Droid2, importing the .3gp file into PE9, and the end of the clip is being truncated.  e.g. I have a .3gp clip that Quicktime & Windows both show as being 6:26 in length, but after importing the clip the Organizer shows it as 6:08:01 in length; the final 18 seconds have been cut off (and are really missing).  Over a variety of such clips the truncation has been as little as 3 seconds and as long as 35 seconds.  The truncation length is not proportional to clip length.   For any particular clip the length of truncation is consistent even if I rename the clip & import again.


      I'm running PE9, fully up to date, on Windows 7.


      Work area includes the entire clip.  Enlarging the work area does not restore the missing frames.


      Droid settings:

      - Picture resolution = widescreen

      - video resolution = 720x480


      PE9 Setting:

      - import encoding = HDV

      - preroll/postroll both = 2 sec (if that matters)


      Driving me nuts.  Any suggestions?

        • 1. Re: PE9 truncates imported 3gp clips
          John T Smith Adobe Community Professional & MVP

          >import encoding = HDV


          Well... HDV is the setting for HiDef transferred via Firewire from a tape based camera


          I will GUESS that you start out with a red line above your video in the timeline, which indicates a mismatch between your video and your project setting


          If that is the case, you need to use a different project setting... I have no idea which one, since I don't use a cell phone for video


          Read Bill Hunt on a file type as WRAPPER http://forums.adobe.com/thread/440037?tstart=0
          What is a CODEC... a Primer http://forums.adobe.com/thread/546811?tstart=0
          What CODEC is INSIDE that file? http://forums.adobe.com/thread/440037?tstart=0
          Report back with the codec details of your file, use the programs below
          For PC http://www.headbands.com/gspot/ or http://mediainfo.sourceforge.net/en
          Once you know exactly what it is you are editing, report back with that information... and your project setting, and if there is a red line above the video in the timeline, which indicates a mismatch between video and project

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          • 2. Re: PE9 truncates imported 3gp clips
            unkachuck Level 1

            Hi John-


            Thanks for the quick response.


            I have tried all 3 import (capture) settings PE9 offers under project settings - DV, HDV, WDM; all 3 truncate in the same manner and to the same length, all 3 show red (unrendered) when dragged to the timeline.  Not sure if those settings even apply to file import, might be just for capture.




            Video CODEC: avc1, Name=H.264/MPEG-4 AVC, Status=Undetermined.

            Audio CODEC:  mp4a: MPEG-4 AAC LC, Info=44100Hz  96 kb/s tot , stereo (2/0), Status=Undetermined.

            G-Spot proposes: Can't render this type of video, error 80040265 [unknown].




            Format                           : MPEG-4
            Format profile                   : 3GPP Media Release 4
            Codec ID                         : 3gp4
            File size                        : 194 MiB
            Duration                         : 6mn 26s
            Overall bit rate                 : 4 200 Kbps
            Law rating                       : (empty)
            Released date                    : 0
            Encoded date                     : UTC 2011-06-20 01:46:26
            Tagged date                      : UTC 2011-06-20 01:46:26
            Classification                   : (empty)


            ID                               : 2
            Format                           : AVC
            Format/Info                      : Advanced Video Codec
            Format profile                   : Baseline@L3.0
            Format settings, CABAC           : No
            Format settings, ReFrames        : 1 frame
            Codec ID                         : avc1
            Codec ID/Info                    : Advanced Video Coding
            Duration                         : 6mn 26s
            Bit rate mode                    : Variable
            Bit rate                         : 4 100 Kbps
            Maximum bit rate                 : 4 000 Kbps
            Width                            : 720 pixels
            Height                           : 480 pixels
            Display aspect ratio             : 3:2
            Frame rate mode                  : Variable
            Frame rate                       : 28.548 fps
            Minimum frame rate               : 2.817 fps
            Maximum frame rate               : 30.303 fps
            Standard                         : NTSC
            Color space                      : YUV
            Chroma subsampling               : 4:2:0
            Bit depth                        : 8 bits
            Scan type                        : Progressive
            Bits/(Pixel*Frame)               : 0.416
            Stream size                      : 189 MiB (98%)
            Language                         : English
            Encoded date                     : UTC 2011-06-20 01:46:26
            Tagged date                      : UTC 2011-06-20 01:46:26


            ID                               : 1
            Format                           : AAC
            Format/Info                      : Advanced Audio Codec
            Format profile                   : LC
            Codec ID                         : 40
            Duration                         : 6mn 26s
            Bit rate mode                    : Constant
            Bit rate                         : 96.0 Kbps
            Channel(s)                       : 2 channels
            Channel positions                : Front: L R
            Sampling rate                    : 44.1 KHz
            Compression mode                 : Lossy
            Stream size                      : 4.43 MiB (2%)
            Language                         : English
            Encoded date                     : UTC 2011-06-20 01:46:26
            Tagged date                      : UTC 2011-06-20 01:46:26




            Under Project Settings -> General I see the following maybe relevant fields:


            Editing Mode=AVCHD 720p square pixel

            Timebase =23.976 fps

            Frame Size=1280x720

            Fields: no fields, progressive scan

            Audio Sample Rate=48000 KHz



            I looked under Windows Media Player to find out about installed video codecs:


            Video Codecs

            Type Name Format Binary Version
            ICMMicrosoft RLEMRLEmsrle32.dll6.1.7600.16490
            ICMMicrosoft Video 1MSVCmsvidc32.dll6.1.7600.16490
            ICMMicrosoft YUVUYVYmsyuv.dll6.1.7600.16490
            ICMIntel IYUV codecIYUViyuv_32.dll6.1.7600.16490
            ICMToshiba YUV CodecY411tsbyuv.dll6.1.7600.16490
            ICMCinepak Codec by Radiuscvidiccvid.dll1.10.0.13
            DMOMpeg4s Decoder DMOmp4s, MP4S, m4s2, M4S2, MP4V, mp4v, XVID, xvid, DIVX, DX50mp4sdecd.dll6.1.7600.16385
            DMOWMV Screen decoder DMOMSS1, MSS2wmvsdecd.dll6.1.7600.16385
            DMOWMVideo Decoder DMOWMV1, WMV2, WMV3, WMVA, WVC1, WMVP, WVP2wmvdecod.dll6.1.7600.16597
            DMOMpeg43 Decoder DMOmp43, MP43mp43decd.dll6.1.7600.16385
            DMOMpeg4 Decoder DMOMPG4, mpg4, mp42, MP42mpg4decd.dll6.1.7600.16385

            MPEG/DVD Filters

            Type Name Binary Version
            videoMainConcept MPEG-2 Video Decodermc_dec_mp2v_ds.ax8.5.0.19019
            videoMicrosoft DTV-DVD Video Decodermsmpeg2vdec.dll6.1.7140.0
            videoSonic Cinemaster® VideoDecoder 4.3CinemasterVideo.DLL4.3.1.273
            videoRoxio Smart EncoderMPEG2VidCodec.dll10.3.0.5
            videoRoxio MPEG2 Video DecoderMPEG2VidCodec.dll10.3.0.5
            videoRoxio MPEG2 EncoderMPEG2VidCodec.dll10.3.0.5
            videoRoxio Smart DecoderMPEG2VidCodec.dll10.3.0.5
            audioMainConcept Layer II Audio Decodermc_dec_mpa_ds.ax8.5.0.19019
            audioMicrosoft DTV-DVD Audio Decodermsmpeg2adec.dll6.1.7140.0
            audioSonic Cinemaster® Audio Decoder 4.3CinemasterAudio.DLL4.3.0.238


            Also, Quicktime has no problem playing the entire clip.


            Thanks for your help

            • 3. Re: PE9 truncates imported 3gp clips
              John T Smith Adobe Community Professional & MVP

              >H.264/MPEG-4 AVC


              Your clip is AVCHD... find a preset for that


              Once you have the correct preset, you will not have a red line when the video is 1st put on the timeline

              • 4. Re: PE9 truncates imported 3gp clips
                unkachuck Level 1

                Interestingly, even before I import the clip, in PE9 I do File->Get Properties For->File... on the .3gp file, and see the incorrect shorter duration.  Also, Frame rate is shown as 30.00.  scaling the duration (in seconds) by (28.548/30.00) x 386 seconds = 367 seconds which is approximately the imported length.  It's as if there is a frame rate mismatch that affects the duration but the imported video sticks to actual time, thus getting truncated...


                I can't see anywhere I can affect this frame rate...it's as if PE9 is misreading the header...or assuming the frame rate (incorrectly) based on other info...

                • 5. Re: PE9 truncates imported 3gp clips
                  unkachuck Level 1

                  It smelled like a bug.  It was a bug.  With a variable frame rate file PE9 apparently was calculating file length based on the max fps, thus reporting the file as shorter in time and truncating it on import.  The solution involves replacing a dll, info is here: http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/887/cpsid_88760.html.


                  Thanks for your help!