14 Replies Latest reply on Nov 7, 2011 11:34 AM by andymelichar

    FCP encode for PPCS5

    edengrey

      I have a 19gb FCP mov file, that I assume is saved as a lossless format, I cant import in to premiere pro I get a codec error and also the same for media encoder.

      What would be the best way to get the FCP file to a useable format I can use within Premiere pro?

       

      I am on a windows 7 machine.

       

      thanks for any help.

        • 1. Re: FCP encode for PPCS5
          Colin Brougham Level 6

          Grab MediaInfo and use it to analyze the file; post the details of it here. The Text view mode will be easily copied and pasted.

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          • 2. Re: FCP encode for PPCS5
            edengrey Level 1

            General
            Complete name                    : D:\data\en.mov
            Format                           : MPEG-4
            Format profile                   : QuickTime
            Codec ID                         : qt 
            File size                        : 17.8 GiB
            Duration                         : 1h 36mn
            Overall bit rate                 : 26.5 Mbps
            Encoded date                     : UTC 2011-04-19 15:20:46
            Tagged date                      : UTC 2011-07-01 17:13:07
            ©TSC                             : 2997
            ©TSZ                             : 100

            Video
            ID                               : 1
            Format                           : hdv2
            Codec ID                         : hdv2
            Duration                         : 1h 36mn
            Bit rate mode                    : Variable
            Bit rate                         : 25.0 Mbps
            Width                            : 1 416 pixels
            Original width                   : 1 440 pixels
            Height                           : 1 062 pixels
            Original height                  : 1 080 pixels
            Display aspect ratio             : 16:9
            Frame rate mode                  : Constant
            Frame rate                       : 29.970 fps
            Scan type                        : Interlaced
            Bits/(Pixel*Frame)               : 0.555
            Stream size                      : 16.8 GiB (94%)
            Language                         : English
            Encoded date                     : UTC 2011-04-19 15:20:46
            Tagged date                      : UTC 2011-04-19 17:37:05

            Audio
            ID                               : 2
            Format                           : PCM
            Format settings, Endianness      : Little
            Format settings, Sign            : Signed
            Codec ID                         : sowt
            Duration                         : 1h 36mn
            Bit rate mode                    : Constant
            Bit rate                         : 1 536 Kbps
            Channel(s)                       : 2 channels
            Sampling rate                    : 48.0 KHz
            Bit depth                        : 16 bits
            Stream size                      : 1.03 GiB (6%)
            Language                         : English
            Encoded date                     : UTC 2011-04-19 15:20:46
            Tagged date                      : UTC 2011-04-19 17:37:01

            Text
            ID                               : 4
            Format                           : Apple text
            Codec ID                         : text
            Duration                         : 1h 36mn
            Bit rate mode                    : Variable
            Bit rate                         : 0
            Stream size                      : 98.0 Bytes (0%)
            Language                         : English
            Encoded date                     : UTC 2011-04-19 17:37:04
            Tagged date                      : UTC 2011-04-19 17:37:05

            Menu
            ID                               : 3
            Language                         : English
            Encoded date                     : UTC 2011-04-19 17:37:04
            Tagged date                      : UTC 2011-04-19 17:37:04

            • 3. Re: FCP encode for PPCS5
              Colin Brougham Level 6

              Do you have access to an FCP machine that can play this back?

              • 4. Re: FCP encode for PPCS5
                edengrey Level 1

                I just found this thread which explains the problem,

                http://forums.adobe.com/thread/634308?decorator=print&displayFullThread=true

                 

                I have used handbrake with some success, the file will import.

                • 5. Re: FCP encode for PPCS5
                  edengrey Level 1

                  No the file was sent from the US to UK via a portable drive.

                  • 6. Re: FCP encode for PPCS5
                    Colin Brougham Level 6

                    Yeah, Handbrake will work since it's built on FFmpeg, but it's forte is encoding to H.264, so you'll be introducing a fair bit of recompression to the file.

                     

                    Working on alternate possibility... standby.

                    • 7. Re: FCP encode for PPCS5
                      edengrey Level 1

                      only just tried handbrake today, I noticed some lag in the at the start of the clip. then it clears up. could have been the settings I used.

                      thanks for the help Colin.

                      • 8. Re: FCP encode for PPCS5
                        Jim_Simon Level 8
                        What would be the best way

                         

                        I know it's not practical but, here's my solution.

                         

                        Explain to the sender that over 90% of the planet uses Windows, and that anyone using a Mac is actually causing problems, such as this type of incompatibility issue.  Have them send you a proper AVI file from a Windows machine instead.

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                        • 9. Re: FCP encode for PPCS5
                          Colin Brougham Level 6

                          I've got about a 90% solution for you--completely lossless, fast, and free. I'd like to get it 100% of the way, but am a little stymied at the moment with that last 10%.

                           

                          On second thought, here's a way to get there, though I've only tested this on a short sample:

                           

                          1. Grab this zip file and extract the two files in it into the folder containing the MOV file.
                          2. Grab tsMuxeR and unzip it. There is no installation.
                          3. Run the "hdvfix.bat" file that you originally extracted; this will process the MOV file into an M2V video stream and a WAV audio file. It should only take a few moments.
                          4. Open up tsMuxeR, and add both the M2V and the WAV file.
                          5. Under Output, select M2TS muxing and pick a save location/name. Hit "Start Muxing."
                          6. When it's done, you'll have an M2TS file that will (or should!) import into Premiere Pro. Thoughout this process, there has been no reencoding, so the resulting file is exactly the same as the MOV.

                           

                          Let me know how that goes!

                          • 10. Re: FCP encode for PPCS5
                            edengrey Level 1

                            Ok in the process of doing the steps, thank you so much for taking the time to help. will report back when I have finished.

                            :-)

                            • 11. Re: FCP encode for PPCS5
                              edengrey Level 1

                              Result,

                              followed the easy steps and very happy with the output, checked the sync and all ok.

                               

                              just the solution I was looking for, been messing with encoders all day. and never happy with the result.

                               

                               

                              Thanks to Colin to this, what was the final 10% you was unsure about?

                              • 12. Re: FCP encode for PPCS5
                                Colin Brougham Level 6

                                Great to hear! As mentioned, I only had a tiny test clip (and it was a different FourCC--hdv9) to test, so my primary concern was that sync would be good through the duration of the file. Thanks for being a guinea pig and confirming that it works

                                 

                                The other 10% is that ideally/theoretically, this could be done with FFmpeg/FFmbc alone, with no need for TSMuxeR; that would make this a single-source solution. This isn't a deal breaker, obviously, especially when you consider the results, and TSMuxeR can actually be called from the command line, so a simple batch file could probably be devised to automate that process as well. I've tried a few different things to mux with FFmpeg, but it implodes every time I try to create an MTS/M2TS with it. I've found precious little information on how to do it, but I'm sure it's possible. I'll keep after it.

                                 

                                In the meantime, I hope this results in smooth sailing for you; good luck!

                                • 13. Re: FCP encode for PPCS5
                                  needles27-Sm3DjP

                                  Jim,

                                  I'm brand new to this forum and to PPro, and I see that you are one of the top contributors - and I appreciate the time and energy that you devote to helping people here.

                                  But I have noticed a trend from a few people on this site to marginalize us mac users - the extreme example will be an answer to a mac user's question with: Buy a PC.

                                  I just switched from FCP, and by the looks of things, a lot more mac users are going to be switching over to PPro in the future.  I think that it can only help the product and adobe if our tech choice is not marginalized and a lot more mac users become PPro editors.

                                  Thanks again for the help you provide.

                                  • 14. Re: FCP encode for PPCS5
                                    andymelichar

                                    THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!

                                     

                                    Saved my hide with this fix. I was about to start tearing my hair out!!

                                     

                                    -Andy