28 Replies Latest reply on Jul 28, 2011 9:08 AM by sncreative

    CS5 or CS5.5?

    jenmarkay3

      I have CS5 on my Mac laptop and my Imac at work. I was sent the upgrade to 5.5 but am not sure whether to load it. Two times I was sent a file from someone else asking for my design help and I am getting a missing plug in error when I try to open the InDesign file. First time I totally recreated the project and didn't bother with the file that wouldn't open. If I upgrade my laptop to 5.5 and not my mac at work, I'm afraid my laptop won't work smoothly with my work Mac like it does now. Need advise! I know about having clients save their InDesign files to IDML but will that open smoothly in my CS5 at work.

        • 1. Re: CS5 or CS5.5?
          John Hawkinson Level 5

          Install your CS5.5 upgrade and do not remove CS5. (The upgrade will not remove CS5, that would only happen if you uninstalled it yourself).

          Keep both loaded on your system and use the right one for the right project.

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          • 2. Re: CS5 or CS5.5?
            Stix Hart Level 5

            What John said, but be aware that all files will open automatically in CS5.5.  If you want to keep a file in CS5 format this is a nuisance...  You just have to be intelligent about it or install Soxy.

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            • 3. Re: CS5 or CS5.5?
              jenmarkay3 Level 1

              Thanks.. so much. I would need to keep some files from work in CS5 so I could work on them on both computers. Installing the 5.5 would allow me to open files sent for freelance. So if I understand you correctly, I can launch InDesign CS5 and open a work file. Will that save as a CS5 when i save and close. Or will I not be able to launch 5.0 only 5.5.

              • 4. Re: CS5 or CS5.5?
                Stix Hart Level 5

                I might be wrong, you'll have to try and see but I think if you have CS5 open files will automaically open in that.  Then, yes, you can save that as a CS5 file.  And you can have both CS5 and 5.5 open.

                • 5. Re: CS5 or CS5.5?
                  John Hawkinson Level 5

                  Jen, this shouldn't be that confusing. I hope we have not muddied the waters.

                   

                  CS5 can read CS5 and all previous versions. INDD files it writes are readable by CS5 and CS5.5

                   

                  CS5.5 can read CS5.5 and all previous versions. INDD files it writes are readable only by it.

                   

                  The only danger arises if you double-click a CS5 file in the Finder or the Windows Explorer and it starts in CS5.5, you do not notice (despite the fact that it says [Converted] after the filename and makes you choose a new file when you hit Save), and you overwrite your original CS5 file. Then the file is no longer readable in CS5, which may make you sad.

                   

                  To avoid this, the safe thing to do is to switch to the appropraite version (CS5 or CS5.5) and use File > Open.

                   

                  Additionally, if you are wedded to double-clicking from the Exporer or Finder, then you can install the tool that Stix Hart mentioned, Soxy.

                   

                  Any questions?

                  • 6. Re: CS5 or CS5.5?
                    jenmarkay3 Level 1

                    This makes perfect sense. Now I'm not afraid to install the upgrade. I actually have a file for freelance that will not open and is missing a bunch of plug ins so I am assuming it is a CS5.5 file. I have a lot of projects currently working in CS5 that I need to go back and forth between computers with CS5. You just never know and this was so helpful.......Thanks again not only awesome but quick!

                    • 7. Re: CS5 or CS5.5?
                      sncreative

                      A bit of a warning for anyone reading this thread:

                       

                      If you have CS5 (not sure about previous versions) and decide to use the trial version of CS5.5 for 30 days to see how you like it, but decide to stay with CS5  you will run into a major problem with any files you created in InDesign CS5.5. You absolutely CAN'T open any of your INDD files created in CS5.5 with CS5. It doesn't matter if you try to open the file from within InDesign CS5 or right-click on the file and choose "open with". It also doesn't matter if you have all of the latest plugins.

                       

                      Trust me. I learned the hard way. After a bit of research I found that the only way to open all of the InDesign files I created within the last 30 days was to save them as IDML files in CS5.5. It was a little late for that considering the fact that my CS5.5 trial had expired.

                       

                      Fortunately, I was able to download the trial version of InDesign CS5.5 by itself (even after completing a trial for CS5.5 Standard) under my existing account. I now have to open up all of my INDD files created in CS5.5 and export them as IDML (InDesign Markup Language) files so that I can open them with CS5 (seen below). I guess I'll get to that before this trial reaches it's expiration date as well!

                       

                      Surely this will be corrected soon . . . in the meantime, if anyone has a better solution, please share!

                       

                      INDD.jpg

                      • 8. Re: CS5 or CS5.5?
                        Peter Spier Most Valuable Participant (Moderator)

                        sncreative wrote:

                         

                         

                        Surely this will be corrected soon . . .

                        Surely it will not be "corrected" at all. That's the way it is. Changes were made in the .indd format for CS5.5 that cannot read directly in CS5, in the same way that CS5 .indd files cannot be read directly in CS4. .idml is THE way of moving from CS5.5 to earlier versions.

                        • 9. Re: CS5 or CS5.5?
                          sncreative Level 1

                          I wasn't aware of this. I had CS3 at a previous job and had no problem moving between documents created in CS3 to my home computer with CS5 installed. Honestly, I had no idea what an IDML file was until I came across this issue. If only I had time to keep up with EVERYTHING!!

                          • 10. Re: CS5 or CS5.5?
                            Peter Spier Most Valuable Participant (Moderator)

                            This is nothing new. Newer version of InDesign can open older files, but there has never been any ability to move the other direction without going through either .inx (up to CS4) or .idml. The good news is that, unlike .inx, .idml files are compatible with more than one previous version. Files exported from CS5.5 can be read in CS5.5, CS5.0 and CS4. To go back furhter you would still need to open in CS4, export to .inx, and open in CS3 (rinse and repeat to go back to CS2, the aaini for CS). Of course, after that many translations and throwing away of unsupported features between versions, the odds are not good that the file would bear much resemblance to the original.

                            • 11. Re: CS5 or CS5.5?
                              sncreative Level 1

                              Crossing my fingers that I never find myself in the situation where I have to go back to this thread in order to reference that last explanation

                              • 12. Re: CS5 or CS5.5?
                                ckodesign

                                Thanks for the tip on IDML, my client is out of town and hasn't been able to open up any of the 5.5 files I sent her, she is very upset and I am paniscked now. What about saving down to a previous version, why isn't that an option in the pull down menu anymore when you go to save and or package?

                                • 13. Re: CS5 or CS5.5?
                                  BobLevine MVP & Adobe Community Professional

                                  IMO it doesn't belong in the save menu since you're not saving a file that you'd continue working on. You're exporting to a different format and it's well worth noting that there's no guarantee that the layout won't change. While I haven't seen any real issues with 5.5 to 5.0, the text engine is different in CS4 and reflow is probable. Additionally new features will be lost or badly mangled.

                                   

                                  Bob

                                  • 14. Re: CS5 or CS5.5?
                                    Peter Spier Most Valuable Participant (Moderator)

                                    ckodesign wrote:

                                    What about saving down to a previous version, why isn't that an option in the pull down menu anymore when you go to save and or package?

                                    That was never an option in InDesign...

                                    • 15. Re: CS5 or CS5.5?
                                      sncreative Level 1

                                      I don't think it's a big deal as long as it's easy to find an answer to the problem without taking up half of your day. I will say this: to me the whole purpose of the "package" function in InDesign is to be able to send one file to someone that includes all of the files necessary to open up that particular document as if they had created it and see it the same way you are seeing it in within the native software and not just a pdf. In this case, I think the idml file should be generated as part of the packaged file. But that's just my opinion and people in this forum obviously have strong convictions as far as how things should and shouldn't be done so please, no biting.

                                      • 16. Re: CS5 or CS5.5?
                                        ckodesign Level 1

                                        HI sncreative,

                                        Thanks for this post , it was just what I was looking for. Only problem is now, my client can not open the idml files in indd 5.0, she gets a message saying

                                        Missing plug-in --- SharedContent.IndesignPlugin. She called Adobe, and spent the better part of 3 hours getting bounced back and forth with the InDesign "specialists" in India. Because my client has multiple licences, he charged $40/ per problem submitted. I am in such a terrible jam now, trying to find someone with 5.0 to open these files, then resave and repackage and send to me, so I can then send them off to her, for approval.

                                        • 17. Re: CS5 or CS5.5?
                                          ckodesign Level 1

                                          Peter,

                                           

                                          I tried this as well, because my old version of indd was 3.0, before I upgraded to 5.5. I am so panicked now. She got back to NY today, and can't open an yof the files, the error she gets is:

                                          Missing plug-in --- SharedContent.IndesignPlugin

                                          I am desperate to find someone with 5.0 that can open all of these indml files, save and package them, send them back to so I can get them off to her.

                                          • 18. Re: CS5 or CS5.5?
                                            sncreative Level 1

                                            Send them over! I would be happy to package them in CS5 and send them back to you. I can only imagine how frustrated you are- especially after you client was charged for assistance!

                                             

                                            If you will drop your files in the folder via the link below, I will package them and place them back in the same file.

                                             

                                            [link removed by forum host]

                                             

                                            sydney

                                            • 19. Re: CS5 or CS5.5?
                                              sncreative Level 1

                                              in case that link didn't work: [Link removed by forum host]

                                              • 20. Re: CS5 or CS5.5?
                                                sncreative Level 1

                                                Holy Crap. Hold on. Don't use that link. Sorry, I'm transitioning from my old to new computer.

                                                • 21. Re: CS5 or CS5.5?
                                                  sncreative Level 1

                                                  I accidentally shared my entire "documents" file with you in the previous link! Let's try this again: [Link removed by forum host]

                                                  • 22. Re: CS5 or CS5.5?
                                                    ckodesign Level 1

                                                    Hi Sydney, Just got your message,

                                                    I am here in NJ, my client is in NY, can't thank you enough for your help, my email is ckodesign@aol.com. The file sync link isn't working. Have you heard of wikisend. If you sen your email to my aol address we can communicate faster that way.

                                                    Thanks,

                                                    Kelly

                                                    • 23. Re: CS5 or CS5.5?
                                                      John Hawkinson Level 5

                                                      cokdesign wrote:

                                                      I tried this as well, because my old version of indd was 3.0, before I upgraded to 5.5. I am so panicked now. She got back to NY today, and can't open an yof the files, the error she gets is:
                                                      Missing plug-in --- SharedContent.IndesignPlugin

                                                       

                                                       

                                                      Life gets very confusing when you refer to versions without the 'CS' because, as I'm sure you know, CS3 is Version 5, etc.

                                                       

                                                      In any case -- to read later IDML files, it may be necessary for you to have CS5.0 updated to the latest version. As CS5 is version 7, that would mean Version 7.0.4. Make sure she has run Help > Updates... before despairing too much.

                                                       

                                                      I can't tell from all the back-and-forth if you have a file needing conversion still or not, and if so from what to what.

                                                      • 24. Re: CS5 or CS5.5?
                                                        Peter Spier Most Valuable Participant (Moderator)

                                                        @ Sydney,

                                                         

                                                        If, indeed your client has Indesign 5.0. which is CS3, you must take the .idml from version 7.0 or 7.5 into version 6 (CS4) and export from there to .inx. As John mentioned, all earlier versions also should be updated to the last patch issued, which is always a "compatibility patch" for opeing the interchange files from the next version.

                                                         

                                                        Did you get starightened away yet? If not I'd be happy to convert all the way back to .inx for CS3. Also, I'd like to delete links you don't want out on the internet, but I'm a little confused about which they are. Perhaps the best thing would be for you to send me a Private Message (click my name to go to my profile, Private Message is in the action list on the right) and let me know which one(s) should be removed.

                                                        • 25. Re: CS5 or CS5.5?
                                                          ckodesign Level 1

                                                          @ Peter, we tried this, and my client still couldn't open. There is some pug-in glitch. She was on the phone with Adobe and because my client has mutiple licenses Adobe tech service (in India)  charged her $40. per problem. Sydney came to my rescue!!! This Adobe Forum Rocks!! Still trying to salvage the rest of this production job though. I am just flowing word docs into her preformatted indd files, so I am trying to find a trial version of 5.0, which maybe the only 'needle in a haystack' but I am calling around. Thanks, Kelly

                                                          • 26. Re: CS5 or CS5.5?
                                                            Peter Spier Most Valuable Participant (Moderator)

                                                            Something sounds fishy about the error message, like either there is version confusion going on, i.e. the client has version 5.0 and thinks that's CS5.0 instead of CS3, and you've sent  CS5 .idml which CS3 has no way to open, or their version of ID 5.0 is not patched to 5.0.4, which is required to read .inx exported from CS4, or the problem is on your end and you didn't actually export the correct format, which can happen, particularly if going through CS4, where you have the option of .idml, readable only by CS4 or later, or .inx, which is required for CS3.

                                                            • 27. Re: CS5 or CS5.5?
                                                              Apache93

                                                              CS5.5! Always the new version!

                                                              • 28. Re: CS5 or CS5.5?
                                                                sncreative Level 1

                                                                Peter: I am not the one with the client. I simply had problems opening up my own CS5.5 InDesign documents in CS5.

                                                                 

                                                                You can delete all of the links. Thanks!