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1. Re: Are there any specific codecs or import libraries that will make Premiere 6 use more file types?
Ann Bens Jul 31, 2011 3:48 PM (in response to digiday)I am afraid not.
Even if you were abel to import Premiere is not designed for handling such files.
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2. Re: Are there any specific codecs or import libraries that will make Premiere 6 use more file types?
digiday Jul 31, 2011 4:41 PM (in response to Ann Bens)Hi Ann,
I'm wondering because on the Premiere 6 browser instructions page about importing files it says, "File format support is provided by plug-in software modules. Over time, additional or updated file formats may be available from Adobe or other manufacturers, such as QuickTime."
This can be seen in the screenshot of the top page, linked below, underlined in red. Then on the Adobe website at this link http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/402/kb402540.html , and in the lower page in the screenshot below, also underlined in red and highlighted by the red arrows, it shows the file formats that Premiere 4 Elements can import, and that is an even older, lower end version of Premiere than my Premiere 6... I'm still looking for similar published information about Premiere 6 and import file formats in the search results page at this link... http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/search/index.cfm?term=premiere+file+format+support&siteSectio n=home&loc=en_us
If these "plug-in software modules" are available on the Adobe site or elsewhere, I'd like to find them.
Any other recommendations based on this information would be much appreciated.
Thanks,
digi
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3. Re: Are there any specific codecs or import libraries that will make Premiere 6 use more file types?
Bill Hunt Jul 31, 2011 4:53 PM (in response to digiday)Digi,
Actually, PrE 4.0 is a contemporary of PrPro 2.0, about 2.5 generations from Pr 6.0.
In the scheme of development and release, Pr 6.0 was replaced with Pr 6.5, and then the rather odd Pr 7.0/PrPro 7.0/PrPro 1.0 was released. Finally, PrPro went to 2.0 (often seen as CS 2 Production Studio for the suite). It was at this point, that PrE 4.0 was introduced. As PrE is on an approx. 12 mo. release cycle, and PrPro is on approx. 18 mo. release cycle, there is some overlap, and they do not line up 100%.
Also, PrE often gets "consumer" CODEC's/formats, before PrPro does, such as DVD/VOB editing and AVCHD. PrPro always gets the "pro" formats either before PrE, or gets ones that are never supported in PrE, such as RED, MXF, etc.
For CODEC's, I strongly recommend ONLY adding ones that are needed. Note: depending on the NLE, and the version of the NLE, even the specific CODEC's might not work with that program, or that version of the program. This ARTICLE goes into more detail on CODEC's with some specific ones that will only allow your system to playback that footage, or maybe Encode to it - some just will not be useful, when trying to edit in PrPro, such as DivX and Xvid.
Good luck, and hope that helps,
Hunt
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4. Re: Are there any specific codecs or import libraries that will make Premiere 6 use more file types?
John T Smith Jul 31, 2011 5:45 PM (in response to digiday)>some types of AVIs will import but then will not appear
AVI is only a 3 letter ending... myfile.avi does not say what CODEC is inside that file
As Hunt mentioned, xvid/divx hiding inside an AVI file will not edit well... if at all
File type as WRAPPER http://forums.adobe.com/thread/440037?tstart=0
What CODEC is INSIDE that file? http://forums.adobe.com/thread/440037?tstart=0
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Report back with the codec details of your file, use the programs below
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For PC http://www.headbands.com/gspot/ or http://mediainfo.sourceforge.net/enYou need DV AVI type 2 with 48khz 16bit sound
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5. Re: Are there any specific codecs or import libraries that will make Premiere 6 use more file types?
digiday Jul 31, 2011 8:57 PM (in response to John T Smith)Hi Bill and John,
Thanks for your replies.
My inquiry isn't as much to do with the AVIs that won't import as it is to do with figuring out the way that I can make MPGs, MP4s, MOVs and WMVs import in to Premiere 6.
The AVIs that do import were converted or created using the H.264 codec. I do know a little about codecs, but I don't hold the PhD in codecs that is apparently required to completely understand them.
Below is the chart from the Premiere Elements 4 page at this link... http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/402/kb402540.html
So, if I understand correctly, Bill is saying the Premeire Elements 4 is actually newer than Premiere 6 and that the Pr Elements apps will actually import more movie file formats than the regular versions of Premiere and Premiere Pro?... for someone trying to learn about these apps, one must admit that this seems to be reverse logic... this would be saying that Adobe gave the cheaper "consumer" versions of Premiere the ability to work with 3 or 4 more movie file formats than the more expensive "pro-sumer" version of Premiere.
Premiere 4 Elements File Format Support Chart
Microsoft AVI (.avi) Import and Export MOD (JVC Everio camera) (.mod) Import only MPEG-1 (.mpg, .mpeg, .m1v, .mpv) Import and Export MPEG-2 (.mpg, .mpeg, .mpe, .m2t, .m2v, .mod, .mpd, .m2p) Import only MPEG-4 (.mp4, .m4v) Export only Export via QuickTime file or "Share to Mobile" workflow. QuickTime Movie (.mov, .moov) Import and Export Windows Media video (.wmv) Import and Export The built-in web browser instruction manual in Premiere 6 shows this statement on the "Importing Clips" page, as shown in my screenshot linked above...
"File format support is provided by plug-in software modules. Over time, additional or updated file formats may be available from Adobe or other manufacturers, such as QuickTime."
This indicates that additional file format support can be added to Premiere 6 by "plug-in software modules", and that "over time, additional or updated file formats" were predicted to become available that would be supported by the file format manufacturers, such as Adobe themselves and other manufacturers such as QuickTime.
Since that was written ten years ago or more, there has certainly been the chance for these additional "plug-in software modules" to be developed "over time"... so I'm asking, "Where are they available?"
What I'm saying is, I will do my homework to earn at least my Bachelor's degree in codecs, but more than an education in codecs, I need to find these mysterious, "plug-in software modules" for Premiere 6 that Adobe wrote about and referred to over ten years ago.
Thanks for any clues as to where to locate these "plug-in software modules".
digi
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6. Re: Are there any specific codecs or import libraries that will make Premiere 6 use more file types?
Ann Bens Aug 1, 2011 2:39 AM (in response to digiday)Other manufactures is probably Matrox (which is a capture card, and I doubt if they even exist anymore) or Panasonic which uses dv-avi also.
mov is supported in Premiere 6.5 and that's it.
Elements is a totally different written program then Premier 6.
If you want to edit different kinds of formats you need to upgrade to CS5.5
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7. Re: Are there any specific codecs or import libraries that will make Premiere 6 use more file types?
John T Smith Aug 1, 2011 8:48 AM (in response to digiday)>cheaper "consumer" versions of Premiere the ability to work with 3 or 4 more movie file formats than the more expensive "pro-sumer" version of Premiere
Go back and re-read what Hunt said about the TIMING of the software
Premiere 6 is "primitive" compared to the much later Premiere Elements 4 you are comparing... as well as PreEl having DVD creation functions that were not included in Premiere 6x
>file format support can be added to Premiere 6 by "plug-in software modules",
Just because Adobe said something CAN be done (and even with providing developers with an SDK and information) does not mean that anyone DID add new file formats
>written ten years ago or more, there has certainly been the chance
Chance, yes... actual products, seems no
Adobe released Premiere 6.5 which included new functions and then, as Hunt said, completely rewrote the program and started with the Premiere Pro line
My best GUESS is that no 3rd party company bothered taking the time/expense to write plug-ins for Premiere 6
If you want more file formats now, and you don't have the 64bit computer that is strong enough for Premiere Pro CS5.5, go look at Premiere Elements
PreEl 9 is current... and, based on past history (but no exact forecast 'cause Adobe does not pre-announce) of release dates... Premiere Elements 10 "should" be released sometime before the end of 2011
IMHO continuing to talk about Premiere 6 and "would'a could'a should'a codec support" is very simply not going to do anything
If the people here haven't posted about plug-ins for that old program, your only recourse is Google... and even that may not turn up anyone who sells anything to extend Premiere 6 TODAY since the program is so old
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8. Re: Are there any specific codecs or import libraries that will make Premiere 6 use more file types?
digiday Aug 1, 2011 9:40 AM (in response to John T Smith)Okay guys and gals, I'm convinced.
As opposed to buying a new app for $800 that will do the same basic things that I need and already have, I'll contiunue happily converting files to AVI first... not so bad.
I figure that Premiere Elements 9 for $99, while I'm sure it is very nice, must be lacking some things that I do have with Premiere 6.
Of course, since I'm now used to this Premiere 6, the thought of loosing any features is, well, unthinkable. I've been able to do things I never imagined I could do with Premiere 6, and with the help of Ann, Bill, and everyone else here, and following up on base information that I gleaned from y-all to read and experiment with further, I've been able to do things like create a feathered seam between two videos in the picture at the same time... I made a moving cloud shaped (or any shape) picture-in-picture that moves in to the frame stops, and then continues to move out of the frame on top of another video background. I've been able to make six different movies playing in six little old fashioned TV sets all at once. I've made motion graphics out of still photo pieces do things that I never would have imagined before and make eight different things animate on top of a moving photo background while Tony Bennett and Mark Twain blast by in a Coit Tower Saturn V rocket... and the movie I'm working on now takes it all a step further.
So, as you can see, I like this Premiere 6 and I'll continue using it in the ways that I need to to create all these great things.
Thanks again,
digi
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9. Re: Are there any specific codecs or import libraries that will make Premiere 6 use more file types?
John T Smith Aug 1, 2011 9:43 AM (in response to digiday)If you don't already have DVD authoring software, here's a link I saved to a Free alternative
http://www.deskshare.com/dvd-authoring-burning-software.aspx to Encore
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10. Re: Are there any specific codecs or import libraries that will make Premiere 6 use more file types?
digiday Aug 1, 2011 10:36 AM (in response to John T Smith)Thanks John T,
Here are the links to the most recent creation in Premiere 6 that I've completed... I'm working on another now that takes my most recent creation discoveries and puts them to use...
"A Flight Through Time in San Francisco - Part 5ive - Live in Technicolor"
On YouTube in large screen HD...
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=Y3Ha4HtDwQ4&vq=hd720
On regular YouTube...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3Ha4HtDwQ4
On Vimeo.com...
I'll check out that DVD software, thanks allot.
digi
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11. Re: Are there any specific codecs or import libraries that will make Premiere 6 use more file types?
Bill Hunt Aug 1, 2011 10:57 AM (in response to digiday)Digi,
Thank you for sharing.
I really liked the TV sets with the test patterns. Now, I am probably the only one here, who knows what a test pattern was, and also recognizes some of thost sets - looked like an Emerson, and early RCA and maybe even a Dumont. Heck, some of your "archival footage" was "current events," when I saw it first.
On a side-note, I have been casually shooting along the waterfront along Embarcadero, as much will be changing come the America's Cup Village. The waterfront will soon change, yet again, so every time over, I try to record some of what is there today.
Again, thank you and good luck,
Hunt
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12. Re: Are there any specific codecs or import libraries that will make Premiere 6 use more file types?
digiday Aug 1, 2011 11:22 AM (in response to Bill Hunt)Hi Bill,
That's cool you live here too... if I see you at the Embarcadero I'll recognize you if you have your glass of wine. That one fisheye photo in my movie was taken along the Embarcadero, or course, in front of the Ferry Building one night as the cars wizzed by a couple of feet in from of me, and my camera on a tripod.
Since that archival footage was from four days or so before the 1906 earthquake (the now famous "A Trip Through Market Street" footage) I doubt if you were around when that was a current event film, or you'd have to be at least 105 years old... kudos if you are!
And I also remember test patterns in the 60s and how exciting it was to watch a TV station come back on the air after seeing the test pattern disappear early in the morning.
I'm sure you probalby saw the "60 Minutes" TV show segment about that famous old film "A Trip Through Market Street" and how it was recently discovered that it was filmed only days before the April 18th, 1906 earthquake, and not in 1905, as the Library of Congress had originally estimated... but if you haven't seen it yet, it is posted on YouTube and CBS.com at these links...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1G_qfKudAI
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6966797n&tag=mncol;lst;9
ciao,
digi
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13. Re: Are there any specific codecs or import libraries that will make Premiere 6 use more file types?
digiday Aug 1, 2011 12:04 PM (in response to digiday)Bill,
If you are interested in any of the other AFTTISF movie segements, parts one through four, and "San Francisco History 101", then here are the links to all of them... there is some cool old stuff in these little films and in part one, I used a huge ultra-wide drawing from 1862 with superimposed landmarks and streets on top of it to show old versus new SF. All of these segments are different, fun and nostalgic. I'm working on part six now.
AFTTISF Part One
On YouTube in large screen HD...
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=YaPlVOpfVk4&vq=hd720
On regular YouTube...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaPlVOpfVk4
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AFTTISF Part Two
On YouTube in large screen HD...
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=xxNbgOdz6PQ&vq=hd720
On regular YouTube...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxNbgOdz6PQ
On Vimeo.com...
http://www.vimeo.com/25870493
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AFTTISF Part Three
On Vimeo.com only...
http://www.vimeo.com/24427196
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AFTTISF Part Four
On YouTube in large screen HD...
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=w6jzwQ3byHw&vq=hd720
On regular YouTube...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6jzwQ3byHw
On Vimeo.com...
http://www.vimeo.com/25544483
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San Francisco History 101
On YouTube in large screen HD...
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=cIE4DjN20iY&vq=hd720
On regular YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIE4DjN20iY&feature=youtube_gdata
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YouTube digiday films channel page...
http://www.youtube.com/user/digidayfilms?feature=mhsn
Vimeo digiday films channel page...
http://www.vimeo.com/digidayfilms/videos -
14. Re: Are there any specific codecs or import libraries that will make Premiere 6 use more file types?
Bill Hunt Aug 1, 2011 12:41 PM (in response to digiday)That's cool you live here too...
Actually no, though sometimes it FEELS like I live in San Francisco, or at least at SFO.
I'm in Phoenix, but have traveled to San Francisco on business over the decades. As one of my biggest clients was HP, I was into/out of Silicon Valley, via SFO monthly. Now, my wife's corporate office is there (moved to China Basin from The Embarcadero), so we are there at least once per month, and ofen much more. We also fly through SFO to Europe and the UK, plus even very many domestic flights, like to JFK. It's easier for us to go through SFO, than ORD, or DEN, out of PHX. That might change a bit, as United and Continental complete their merger, but for now, SFO is almost our "home airport." Also, having "wine country" all around - north, south, east, etc., we also vacation through SFO.
Missed that 60 Mins. piece, but it sounds very interesting.
Good luck,
Hunt
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15. Re: Are there any specific codecs or import libraries that will make Premiere 6 use more file types?
digiday Aug 1, 2011 12:51 PM (in response to Bill Hunt)Hi Bill,
Sounds like you travel more than most airline pilots.
Check these links for the 60 Minutes story about the "A Trip Through Market Street" film...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1G_qfKudAI
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6966797n&tag=mncol;lst;9
digi



