Which version of Premiere Pro are you using? I've never heard of AMD cards in a MBP, only NVIDIA and ATI. Can you recheck? Your RAM is quite low for working with AVCHD, as well.
Going back a little bit, AMD acquired ATI, and they may have begun the branding to the AMD label.
Just my guess,
PP CS5 & AE CS5
AMD Radeon HD 6750M 1024mb
Software: Mac OS X Lion 10.7
I don't think its a ram issue since i'm only trying to scrub and play 1 layer =( If i had effects and what not, then i'd say yes to that. Also this is the early stages of my project so its not even complicated yet.. started doing this with the first import
Also i'm using .MOV remember?
Just created some after effects and is very slow also.. it seems like the system is lagging because when i imported a file, dropped it to the time line and moved it over, it was like AE lagged and the system was thinking.. not as bad as PP though
Any help would be awesome
Warning! You're not going to like this.
The MBP does not meet minimum requirements, which require at least two 7200 RPM SATA hard disks. The MBP has only one, it lacks eSATA connections and when editing AVCHD, having only 4 GB memory, it is quickly overwhelmed by the system demands of this material. On the PC side, you can easily get notebooks with 2 or 3 internal 7200 disks, with up to 16 GB memory and a CUDA capable video card to profit from hardware MPE and with much better multi-threading than OS-X. Not so on the MAC side. You will have to accept that. Not much you can do about it, apart from increasing your memory to 8 or 16 GB and getting a FW800 external disk to alleviate the bottlenecks.
Clearly you did not watch the YouTube link i posted?? (Not meaning to sound rude)
But you are giving me some shocking information my friend so you need to be 100% sure that what you are saying is correct otherwise you are another 'know it all' in these forums giving sh!t information.
Please explain why you say one thing and the YouTube video runs 8 layers in FULL mode flawlessly?
It even glitches and all that when previewing in 1/2 mode
Three things from the blog you linked to. One, all the clips are very short, so the cache can overcome display problems, that would not apply to more realistic length of timelines. Second, there are some hiccups, despite Dave saying that it is very fluid. Third, he does not mention his disk setup, so we can only guess at that. And he is using 5.03 or below.
On the PC side, using an i7-920 at stock speed with 24 GB memory and an AMD video card, the best system ranks at about 223 out of 380 systems. The few test results we have on MAC's show worse performance than PC's.
Using a laptop with a single i7-2780QM @ 2.2 GHz and 8 GB memory and a MPE card, does not do better than rank 228, even if equipped with two HDD's.
Last, we don't know to what degree Dave tuned his system and how tou tuned your system.
Harm Millard thanks for the clarification. OK here is more info about my set up and perhaps you can suggest tweeks on getting the best performance with what i have?
This is what i have:
2 x 2TB Western Digital external Hard Drives
1 x 500g portable Hard Drive
1 Audio 8 external sound card from Native Instruments
Now i remember someone telling me to have footage on one drive and working file on another or something?? Maybe this is the problem i am facing here? Can you please explain how to set up my drives? Where to have everything? Also where to set the 'Media Cache Files' ?
You mentioned Dave may have 'tuned' his system?? How would one tune his system??
Thank you mate i'll be eagerly awaiting your reply
I'm a PC guy and completely in the blind about MAC's, but I think there are some similarities between platforms, despite different OS'es.
Maybe these articles can help, maybe not, but if you don't shoot, you never will hit anything.
Also look at the Overview tab at the top of the page, there may be some articles of interest to you, although all have been written from a PC perspective and may not translate 1:1 to a MAC.
I'm a PC head too and i've just switched last week and i'm going nuts..
You know i think i've seen that post Adobe Forums: Generic Guideline for Disk Setup before and i simply do not understand it man can you just give me your recommendations?? What do i put on what?
I think the issue here may not be your system but your media. You said you converted the files using iMovie. iMovie would not be my first choice in this situation and it's possible that it may have done something strange to the media files. Did it transcode the files to Apple Intermediate Codec (AIC)?
What Quicktime codec did you export the material as?
How do you have your external drives connected?
Adobe has many known issues with OS 10.7 so I would not be surprised if you have run into another.
There are some performance tweaks for OSX. Just less than there are for Windows.
Regardless of what you are doing 4GB of ram with HD on any system is very low with Adobe because it uses so much ram. 8GB is really minimum if you want any real performance with HD on playback. One thing I have never really seen, is how much ram OSX shadows for Video. Don't think I ever really looked for it either.
You might try for help at a few Mac forms. http://forums.macrumors.com/forumdisplay.php?f=80
There are plenty of Macs running FCP, Adobe, Avid so they would know the exact limitations. I'm guessing FCP would work better on the MBP.
A lot of MBP install a second HDD in the optical bay http://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/DDAMBS0GB/ There is a lot of info at the MBP topic area.
NewEgg usually has 8 GB of RAM for $80 when it's on sale for MBP. Easy to install.
I havnen't used one myself, so don't know the exact limitations with the non Cuda graphics and no eSata, if yours is quadcore, etc. Try asking there. Most of them use FCP with the ProRes.
You are right. iMovie extracted and converted the AVCHD into some retarded form of MOV. So I used a Windows PC and used Sony PMB, extracted the media from my camera, took them to my MBP, opened it up in Premiere Pro and if running a lot smoother. It is however lagging a little but i think thats the ram you guys are talking about so i'm gonna order 2 x 4gig of Ram.
In addition, i use iMovie cos there is no PMB or any other program that i know of to extract the AVCHD media from my camcorder to my MBP so please suggest a program (free if possible) that i can use.
Brother PLEEEEEAAAAASSSSEEEE tell me how to set up my drives? I asked John to but he directed me to a link. Just tell me in black & white. What goes where????? If this was your set up, what would you do?
I have: 2 x 2TB WD - 1 x 500g WD and actually i also have 2 x 1TB Seagate that i can utilize. I also have a Belkin 7 port powered usb hub.
Also please tell me what 'tweaks' i can do to boost up some sh!t on the MBP?
I really didn't understand what you said mate lol too tech for me but i do appreciate the links and i'm checking them out in about 5 seconds.
OK based on your post I assume you have the drives via USB2 which is really slow and having multiple only splits the bandwidth further. Based on your original post, I assume it was a far lower compression codec which would definitely show on USB2 drives and even more so with splitting the USB bandwidth.
Why are you not just copying the files directly from your AVCHD storage media directly to the system instead of using the software?
You only need 1 E-sata drive to work with the MBP rather than the USb2 drives. If not look here http://www.mac-usb3.com/ for USB3 Express card. That would be the alternate option to E-Sata and would work for that. You can get away with 1 drive for this if it's E-sata or USB3.
I think only the 17'' MBP has a express card slot. Not sure if he mentined he had that option. The 15 would use firewire 800 or the hdd in the optical drive bay, or wait for thunderbolt..
Although I have no expericne with PP5.5 so not implying that my suggestions is the fix.
The poster listed the 17 inch in the original post so the Express card is available.
Thunderbolt is still a dream at this point until there are more Thunderbolt chips available for 3rd party manufacturers such as storage manufacturers. Last I heard it was likely the end of the year before they would be in the market in any real production numbers.
I thought it was i7, sorry if I missed the 17'' spec. I really wasn't sure what kind he had, but you are right the 17'' does have the expansion slot for eSata or FW3.
I almost got a MBP so am familiar with the hardware specs and a few options that might help but that's about it.
Actually looks like you were right on the i7. I saw that and thought it said 17
Clarification.. yes i have the Express Card port. 17inch MBP
OK i have 3 USB ports. I can hook up the 2 externals on their own port and have the 3rd port using the splitter for other things like internet dongle, mouse, keyboard etc.. So that eliminates that issue.
Why don't i just copy the files directly? You mean drag them straight off the camcorder onto the MAC and then importing thm into PP? If so, I can do that but its a matter of knowing what i'm dragging off.. currently what i'm doing is using the windows partition and using Sony PMB i export from the camcorder into a named folder on the desktop (so that i know what files are what) then start up the MAC and opening bootcamp in finder and dragging the folder with the files from Windows desktop to MAC desktop. Dragging them straight is a pain in the *** as i have to right click each file, 'open with' vlc.. then that takes so long to open.. then it takes so long for vlc to actually work out what its playing.. (by so long i'm talking about 5-8 seconds) and then scrubbing is so glitchy and to do that with each files is a head ache.
I could however drag them all off then just import them all but thats a b!tch and a half when i start up the project, it will have to load it all up right? And what about the Media Cache? Would that be bad for that too?
I'd rather a program where i can choose and organise straight away. So far shutting down MAC and opening Windows is the fastest method
This USB3 Express Card idea is great! I will look into it. I wonder if they sell on eBay??
Now when you say 'E-SATA' What exactly does that mean? How would you know i don't have E-SATA??
Also the tweaks you spoke of earlier? what are they?
Also how do i set up the drives for best performance for PP??
Media Cache goes where?
Footage files goes where?
Project file goes where?
The Sonnet adapter should be fine. I would go with that one or the Lacie.
You should be able to copy the entire directory from the camera media over to the external drive and then use Premiere's media browser to drag the entire video into the project. Premiere recognizes all of the segmented AVCHD files as the 1 video file.