5 Replies Latest reply on Nov 6, 2006 2:09 AM by vijayant_pandit

    Fireworks and HTML

    lifespantoo Level 1
      As a novice web designer, working alone, I am so confused about so many things I don't know where to turn. I thought I had finally discovered in FIreworks a sort of WYSIWYG layout tool for web design. But I keep running into problems using it for that and am told that FIreworks is an image editor even though the Help files say you can do web layout. And it has such an easy, intuitive button maker, for instance, that I'd really like to use it for that. But when I export a page, it slices it up which makes caching certain portions of it impossible since subsequent pages--even when containing much of the same material such as buttons--is sliced and named differently from the first page. I tried exporting just the buttons, but couldn't get that to work.

      I find the help files in Fireworks pretty limited. Can anyone direct me to better info on using FIreworks for web design?
        • 1. Re: Fireworks and HTML
          Level 7
          On 04 Nov 2006 in macromedia.fireworks, lifespantoo wrote:

          > As a novice web designer, working alone, I am so confused about so
          > many things I don't know where to turn. I thought I had finally
          > discovered in FIreworks a sort of WYSIWYG layout tool for web
          > design.

          That's because there is no such thing as a "WYSIWYG layout tool for web
          design". It ain't in the nature of the beast. At a bare minimum, you
          have too many kinds of user agent (generally browsers) viewing your
          page in too many different ways in too many different media.

          > I find the help files in Fireworks pretty limited. Can anyone
          > direct me to better info on using FIreworks for web design?

          Here's the nickel tour:
          Fireworks[1]: images/graphics
          Dreamweaver[2]: HTML, CSS

          [1] Or Photoshop, TheGimp, or your choice of image editing app. FW
          comes bundled with DW in many packages, and is a firstrate choice for
          web graphics.
          [2] Or your favorite choice of text editor. I do a certain amount of
          editing of web files using WinVI ( http://winvi.de/) because, among
          other things, it supports regex search/replace. For CSS, I use
          TopStyle Lite ( http://bradsoft.com/)

          Slightly longer comment:
          Learn HTML and CSS. Forget about DW or FW or any other 'web
          development' application for a bit. Pick up a basic book on HTML
          authoring, and hand-code some pages. My personal favorite is
          Elizabeth Castro, "HTML, XHTML, and CSS, Sixth Edition: Visual
          QuickStart Guide" from Peachpit Press. Available on Amazon for around
          US$20. It may seem a bit difficult at first, but you'll save yourself
          a lot of grief and anguish if you understand the underlying technology.

          --
          Joe Makowiec
          http://makowiec.net/
          Email: http://makowiec.net/email.php
          • 2. Re: Fireworks and HTML
            Level 7
            On Sat, 4 Nov 2006 17:55:44 +0000 (UTC), "lifespantoo"
            <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote:

            >As a novice web designer, working alone, I am so confused about so many things
            >I don't know where to turn. I thought I had finally discovered in FIreworks a
            >sort of WYSIWYG layout tool for web design. But I keep running into problems
            >using it for that and am told that FIreworks is an image editor even though the
            >Help files say you can do web layout. And it has such an easy, intuitive
            >button maker, for instance, that I'd really like to use it for that. But when
            >I export a page, it slices it up which makes caching certain portions of it
            >impossible since subsequent pages--even when containing much of the same
            >material such as buttons--is sliced and named differently from the first page.
            >I tried exporting just the buttons, but couldn't get that to work.
            >
            > I find the help files in Fireworks pretty limited. Can anyone direct me to
            >better info on using FIreworks for web design?

            Yes.

            In a word: DON'T.

            The problems you mentioned are only the tip of the iceberg on which
            you will founder if you continue to try to use an image editor to
            write code.

            Use FW to create your images. Carefully slice only those area that
            will result in small graphics you will use within your page.

            Now get a book or two and learn HTML and CSS. Honest.

            Then and only then, start DW - but YOU write the code. Not the
            wizards, for the most part.

            Win
            --
            Win Day, Wild Rose Websites
            http://www.wildrosewebsites.com
            winday@NOSPAMwildrosewebsites.com
            Skype winifredday
            • 3. Re: Fireworks and HTML
              lifespantoo Level 1
              Thanks a lot Joe and Win for taking the time to make these points. I have managed to get by so far without learning enough of the basics, but I guess I'll have to work through it more if i want to get anywhere.

              I know Photoshop pretty well--though not for web purposes per se. I took one look at Dreamweaver, became overwhelmed, and haven't opened it once in a year or so. I also have Go Live but it was equally overwhelming. I'll read the html and css books and see what happens.

              Thanks again.
              • 4. Re: Fireworks and HTML
                Level 7
                If you are comfortable with HTML and CSS, then the differences between GL,
                DW, or <insert your fave HTML authoring system> will be trivial.

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                "lifespantoo" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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                > Thanks a lot Joe and Win for taking the time to make these points. I have
                > managed to get by so far without learning enough of the basics, but I
                > guess
                > I'll have to work through it more if i want to get anywhere.
                >
                > I know Photoshop pretty well--though not for web purposes per se. I took
                > one
                > look at Dreamweaver, became overwhelmed, and haven't opened it once in a
                > year
                > or so. I also have Go Live but it was equally overwhelming. I'll read
                > the
                > html and css books and see what happens.
                >
                > Thanks again.
                >


                • 5. Re: Fireworks and HTML
                  vijayant_pandit
                  great people great words>>>
                  HI ALL