I forgot to mention I'm using InDesign CS5. Not CS5.5.
Also, is there a way to take an existing text frame, with stroke around it (a breakout box) and anchor it in the text, so it flows with the text if I edit above it. Yes, I know CS5.5 can do that very easily, but can it be done with an existing text frame in CS5?
Peter, thanks for the rapid response!
Here's the screenshot. When I grab the middle left handle, and try to move it to the left, the left edge of the text box won't move, but the right edge of the frame box moves to the right! You see it moved past the margin guideline on the right. Oh, and what's that little red box and cross?
Also, the above immovable text box left edge problem is exactly what happens when I cut and paste the text box back into the text, in hopes of anchoring it.
The good news is that it is now anchored and flows with the text, the bad news is that it is out of alignment w the margins.
I sure hope you know how to fix this! I've been pulling my hair out for hours!
No screen shot... You can only embed a screen shot in a post, not attach, and to embed you MUST use the camera icon on the web page.
Can you show me a bit more of what's around that frame? And is it anchored? if so, is it inline or custom? Any text inset applied to the paragraph or the frame itself?
The overset is probably an empty paragraph (you've got a paragraph mark at the end of the text appearing in the frame, so the end of story marker is not showing). You can see what's overset by Edit > Edit in Story Editor...
Peter, I think you're getting there. I did find an empty paragraph marker, got rid of it, now have the #, got rid of the little red box.
But I found no evidence of an anchor hidden character.
I'm afraid I don't know enough to say if it is inline or custom. I simply drew a text frame, pasted in the text, positioned the frame, then cut and pasted it back, hoping to make it anchored, but then the left side only moves the right side to the right, won't move itself.
Here is the story editor view. I'm not sure what an overset is.
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That frame has been pasted inline inside another frame. The left edge aligns with the left edge of its parent frame, and making it wider will make the inner pop out on the right hand side of the outer (parent) one.
(a) If you intend to have this as a separate frame inside another, set the text alignment in the 'container' frame to Center (thus the colored frame would stick out equally on both sides) or Right (and then it will only stick out to the left).
(b) For anything more complicated, don't paste the frame inside another text frame. Notice, for example, you cannot get rid of the Overset text by linking this one to another frame.
Every other handle works, except the one on the left, towards edge of page.
And by the way, the one on the top won't work either.
I see the problem.
The frame is indeed anchored, and it's inline. It also has a text wrap applied which is doing no good at all). The weird thing about text wrap nad inline frames is they push the wrapped object away from the text to the left as well as pushing hte text on the right away from the frame (if you follow that). If you remove the text wrap the frame will snap to the left side of the parent frame.
Since that inline frame appears to be the only thing in the paragraph in which it is anchored you can use space before and space after to adust the spacing around it.
Jongware, you are correct!
This is a long document, where 200 page manuscript was placed into InDesign, which, I think, created a very long text frame.
So how do I have stroked boxes in the text, which align w the margins?
Is there a way to interrupt the very long 'container' frame, so I can accomplish what I'm trying to do?
There is nothing wrong with what you did, it's only one of several different ways to accomplish this. The problem is that you tried to stick it out of the margin.
Peter, I think we're almost there.
If I remove the text wrap, I can get the box to go to the margins. Yay! Nice and even. But then top and bottom handles work strangely; if I move the bottom handle down, the whole box jumps to the next page.
Is there a way to have the box even w the margins and still have the top and botom handles function normally?
You're near the bottom of the column. That frame is inline, so it has to stay within the larger text frame, and when it gets too deep for the space that's left it's going to jump to the next column.
Yes, of course, but there is enough room below the box, above the bottom margin, to accomodate the box on the page. But when I try to move the bottom handle down, the box jumps to the next page while there is still about 6mm of space.
In other words, it won't let me set the bottom of the box even w the bottom margin.
Try dragging the box vertically from the center of the box, rather than using a handle (both up and down) to see if you can move it in raltion to the baseline to gain some more space.
Peter, the arrow tool just slips along, doesn't grab.
And the hand grab tool moves the whole page up and down. (Don't I already have a scroll wheel for that?)
Is there a different tool I should be using?
You need to select it, then you should be able to drag it up or down.