7 Replies Latest reply on Oct 9, 2011 11:25 AM by David W. Goodrich

    Paragraph style for a poem

    Gernot Hoffmann Level 3

      Each verse (strophe) of a poem consists of 1 to 6 lines.

      Each line has a pair size/leading 12pt/14.4pt (auto)

      and ends with a line break.

      Each verse is followed by an empty line 12pt/8pt.

      How can I define a paragraph style which allows a

      global change of the empty line's leading?

       

      I'm using CS2, if this should matter. Answers may

      refer to newer versions, I'll check them.

       

      Best regards --Gernot Hoffmann

        • 1. Re: Paragraph style for a poem
          Peter Spier Most Valuable Participant (Moderator)

          Don't use an "empty line," use space after or space before. Each verse should be a single paragraph with forced line breaks, not paragraph breaks at the end of the lines, except the last line.

          • 2. Re: Paragraph style for a poem
            Gernot Hoffmann Level 3

            Thanks Peter,

             

            that works fine - as 'specified'.

             

            Best regards --Gernot Hoffmann

            • 3. Re: Paragraph style for a poem
              David W. Goodrich Level 3

              Peter's "Each verse should be a single paragraph with forced line breaks" breaks down when turnover lines need to be indented.  I've made such indents work with em-spaces or custom tabs, but if I expect turnovers I usually prefer to run single lines as paragraphs so I can rely on whatever hanging indent I define.  But that means special paragraph styles for the first and last lines of a verse to control space above/below.

               

              David

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              • 4. Re: Paragraph style for a poem
                Gernot Hoffmann Level 3

                David,

                 

                personally I'm not an expert for typesetting. Therefore I'm grateful for

                any advice. Your post led me to think again about my suggested

                method in post #0, which seems to be useful as well.

                 

                Type single lines as paragraphs (Paragraph Return)

                Type an empty line after each verse as paragraph.

                Select all and assign a Paragraph Style 'Poem-12-auto'

                Select empty lines and assign a Paragraph Style 'Poem-12-8'

                 

                Changing the leading in Poem-12-8 for instance from 8pt to 6pt

                reduces the vertical space simultaneously in all empty lines, without

                the need to select them.

                 

                The only advantage of this mode is, that I can maintain my habit,

                ending lines by an ordinary Enter.

                 

                Best regards --Gernot Hoffmann

                • 5. Re: Paragraph style for a poem
                  TᴀW Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                  "But that means special paragraph styles for the first and last lines of

                  a verse to control space above/below."

                   

                  You may want to file a feature request (as I have) for an option "Don't

                  add space between paragraphs of the same style" -- in which case it

                  wouldn't be necessary to have more than one style with space above and

                  below defined. And there are many other similar cases (bulleted lists etc.)

                  • 6. Re: Paragraph style for a poem
                    RodneyA Level 3

                    The problem with entering empty lines is that they misbehave at page breaks -- not a problem with single-page poems, but if you have a multiple-page poem, and it happens to break at the page, your second page may start with a blank line and the top line of each pages won't align... which is sloppy work.

                     

                    I'd go with two paragraph styles, one with and one without space before. You can use "quick apply" to change the style of lines that need space before them. By redefining the style you can adjust the amount of space globally.

                    • 7. Re: Paragraph style for a poem
                      David W. Goodrich Level 3

                      I agree with RodneyA and Peter about the potential for empty lines to cause problems: I've been burned, and avoid them whenever possible.

                       

                      In post #3 I spoke of using special paragraph styles for the first and last lines of verse.  That is the generic way to add space above and below without using empty lines. Often, the extra spacing I add around various kinds of extracts is half a line, and often I already have a special version of my regular body-text paragraph with this same half-line above (for a text break, say, or for after a numbered list whose paragraphs get half a line above plus a hanging indent).  With the half-line available that way, I don't need a special last-line-of-poem paragraph style to add it, and I can get by with just the first-line-of-poem paragraph style to separate a poem from body text above, or one verse from another.

                       

                      I'm as wary as the next guy about paragraph styles multiplying like rabbits.  Yes, I use Paragraph Style Groups, but working with multiple files (and ID "Books") I find they have their own problems: if I am not really careful copying material between files I can end up with  multiple instances of the same style, Grouped and otherwise.

                       

                      David

                       

                      Message was edited by: David W. Goodrich, adding "and Peter"