20 Replies Latest reply on Nov 30, 2016 8:39 AM by adamcamera

    Migrating HDV files from FCP

    DavidGarrigusProds Level 1

      I am attempting to migrate from Final Cut Pro to Windows Adobe Production Premiere CS5.5. I have a number of video files that were originally shot with a SONY HDV camera and captured in FCP. Premiere will not import those files and Adobe Media Encoder has the same problem with the files. It gives me a File Import Error:

       

      ... .mov could not be imported. The source file has an invalid codec. Please check that it is a valid file.

       

      I do not have the SONY HDV camcorder anymore. I still have my FCP system that I can try to transcode the files with it. What can I do with these files to get them to work in Premiere? The rest of my video files are from a Canon 7D.

        • 1. Re: Migrating HDV files from FCP
          Colin Brougham Level 6

          There are three possible solutions I can suggest:

           

          1. Transcode the files using Compressor on your Mac. You could use ProRes422; Windows will use ProRes so long as QuickTime 7 is installed. This takes time and space, but is essentially free.
          2. Get Calibrated{Q} XD Decode, and be sure to use an old version of QuickTime Player 7.6.9. The clips will work as-is, though of course you'll have to cough up the dough.
          3. Rewrap the HDV MOVs to MPEG Transport Streams. This is a bit more advanced and time-consuming, but is also free, and has the added benefit of letting Premiere Pro work with the files natively in 64-bit, versus using the 32-bit QuickTime process. If you want to try this, let me know and I'll scratch out some instructions.

           

          Choose your poison

          • 2. Re: Migrating HDV files from FCP
            DavidGarrigusProds Level 1

            Thank you! I would greatly appreciate the instructions for option #3. Most of the HDV files are green screen and I think I would benefit by working with them in 64-bit.

            • 3. Re: Migrating HDV files from FCP
              Colin Brougham Level 6

              Do you have a lot of these clips? I warn you that it's rather labor intensive... I haven't completely figured out a way to batch it (I ain't 'dat smart... S-M-R-T... I mean, S-M-A-R-T).

               

              Also, just so I've got the information, could you grab MediaInfo and analyze one of the files? Use Text mode to copy and paste the results here.

              • 4. Re: Migrating HDV files from FCP
                DavidGarrigusProds Level 1

                I do have a lot of clips but I it is an important project and I am willing to put in the time. Thanks again!

                 

                General

                Complete name                    : C:\Users\David\Documents\Mac Files\LaCie 465 Mac\Constitution\Capture Scratch\Constitution 1\Ketcham 3of3-1.mov

                Format                           : MPEG-4

                Format profile                   : QuickTime

                Codec ID                         : qt 

                File size                        : 1.60 GiB

                Duration                         : 8mn 35s

                Overall bit rate                 : 26.6 Mbps

                Encoded date                     : UTC 2008-11-11 00:36:14

                Tagged date                      : UTC 2011-11-06 16:17:46

                Writing library                  : Apple QuickTime

                Original source medium           : 0811013

                ©TSC                             : 2997

                ©TSZ                             : 100

                 

                 

                Video

                ID                               : 1

                Format                           : hdv2

                Codec ID                         : hdv2

                Duration                         : 8mn 35s

                Bit rate                         : 25.0 Mbps

                Width                            : 1 416 pixels

                Original width                   : 1 440 pixels

                Height                           : 1 062 pixels

                Original height                  : 1 080 pixels

                Display aspect ratio             : 16:9

                Frame rate mode                  : Constant

                Frame rate                       : 29.970 fps

                Scan type                        : Interlaced

                Scan order                       : Top Field First

                Bits/(Pixel*Frame)               : 0.555

                Stream size                      : 1.50 GiB (94%)

                Language                         : English

                Encoded date                     : UTC 2008-11-11 00:36:14

                Tagged date                      : UTC 2008-11-11 00:36:14

                Material_Duration                : 515916

                Material_StreamSize              : 1612270898

                Material_FrameCount              : 15462

                 

                 

                Audio #1

                ID                               : 2

                Format                           : PCM

                Format settings, Endianness      : Big

                Format settings, Sign            : Signed

                Codec ID                         : twos

                Duration                         : 8mn 35s

                Bit rate mode                    : Constant

                Bit rate                         : 768 Kbps

                Channel(s)                       : 1 channel

                Channel positions                : Front: L

                Sampling rate                    : 48.0 KHz

                Bit depth                        : 16 bits

                Stream size                      : 47.2 MiB (3%)

                Language                         : English

                Encoded date                     : UTC 2008-11-11 00:36:14

                Tagged date                      : UTC 2008-11-11 00:36:14

                Material_Duration                : 515952

                Material_StreamSize              : 49531392

                 

                 

                Audio #2

                ID                               : 3

                Format                           : PCM

                Format settings, Endianness      : Big

                Format settings, Sign            : Signed

                Codec ID                         : twos

                Duration                         : 8mn 35s

                Bit rate mode                    : Constant

                Bit rate                         : 768 Kbps

                Channel(s)                       : 1 channel

                Channel positions                : Front: R

                Sampling rate                    : 48.0 KHz

                Bit depth                        : 16 bits

                Stream size                      : 47.2 MiB (3%)

                Language                         : English

                Encoded date                     : UTC 2008-11-11 00:36:14

                Tagged date                      : UTC 2008-11-11 00:36:14

                Material_Duration                : 515952

                Material_StreamSize              : 49531392

                 

                 

                Menu

                ID                               : 4

                Duration                         : 8mn 35s

                Language                         : English

                Encoded date                     : UTC 2008-11-11 00:36:14

                Tagged date                      : UTC 2008-11-11 00:36:14

                • 5. Re: Migrating HDV files from FCP
                  medeamajic Level 2

                  If you were able to capture the HDV files in the MPEG 2 codec you might be able to change the .mov file extension to an .mpg file extension. It might work. If it has been converted to Pro Res changing the file extension will not work.

                  • 6. Re: Migrating HDV files from FCP
                    Colin Brougham Level 6

                    Actually, there is a way we can semi-automate this, if you don't mind recompressing the audio (albeit at a high bitrate). The MOVs have PCM audio, but if you're OK with converting the PCM audio to AC3, we can do this with a relatively simple double-click.

                     

                    If you want to retain the PCM audio, it's a bit more involved--let me know which you prefer.

                    • 7. Re: Migrating HDV files from FCP
                      Colin Brougham Level 6

                      That doesn't work with Apple HDV--at least, not well or reliably. The audio won't import, and if the video does import, it's decoded wrong.

                      • 8. Re: Migrating HDV files from FCP
                        DavidGarrigusProds Level 1

                        Semi-automate would be great. That makes sense.

                        • 9. Re: Migrating HDV files from FCP
                          Colin Brougham Level 6

                          Alright, I'm giving you two options:

                           

                          1. Extract the HDV video from the MOV, transcode the dual mono PCM audio to stereo AC3 at 448kbps, and rewrap as an M2T file. It's self-contained, but the audio is recompressed (though it should still be high-fidelity).
                          2. Extract the HDV video to an M2V file, extract the PCM audio to a stereo WAV file (no recompression), and then you import both into Premiere Pro; you can select both components, right-click and select Merge Clip and create a new married clip, then, to keep everything together. You'd have to do this for each pair of files, but the benefit is that the audio is exactly the same as the original.

                           

                          Grab this zip: http://www.mediafire.com/file/94zvvop8rsm9pld/hdv.zip. Extract the contents--ffmbc.exe, and two batch files called hdv1.bat and hdv2.bat--the the folder containing your footage. Double-click the batch file corresponding to the result you want; hdv1.bat creates a single file (#1 above), whereas hdv2.bat creates two files (#2 above). The batch files will do this for every single MOV file in the folder. It's good to have choices, no?

                           

                          NOTE: These might not work. The HDV MOVs I have already have stereo audio, while yours have two mono channels. I think I've accounted or that in the batch file, but it might need some tweaking. What I suggest is extracting these files to a fresh folder first, and copying one of your MOVs into it and then running one batch or the other. That way, you can confirm that it works without creating gigabytes of needless files.

                           

                          Let me know how it goes!

                          • 10. Re: Migrating HDV files from FCP
                            Jim_Simon Level 8

                            There is a third option Colin failed to mention.

                             

                            Simply recapture the tapes on the PC.  The file are guaranteed to work.

                            • 11. Re: Migrating HDV files from FCP
                              Colin Brougham Level 6

                              "Failed to mention?" Hardly. I read the original post, where he said he didn't have the camera any longer. It's not really an option if its not possible.

                              • 12. Re: Migrating HDV files from FCP
                                Jim_Simon Level 8

                                Yep, I missed that part myself.

                                 

                                But, cameras can always be borrowed or rented.

                                 

                                Just saying.

                                • 13. Re: Migrating HDV files from FCP
                                  Colin Brougham Level 6

                                  And files can also be worked with if you're willing.

                                   

                                  Just saying.

                                  • 14. Re: Migrating HDV files from FCP
                                    Jim_Simon Level 8

                                    Nice to have several options.

                                    • 15. Re: Migrating HDV files from FCP
                                      DavidGarrigusProds Level 1

                                      Many thanks! Both hdv1 and hdv2 worked for the video but had audio issues.

                                       

                                      hdv1 created the new movie clip without audio. You mentioned that there might be problems because of my 2X mono versus your stereo file you tested.

                                       

                                      hdv2 created separate audio and video. That worked but, for some reason, the start of the audio was out of sinc about 18 frames ahead of the start of the video clip. I can proceed from here with hdv2 unless you think there's an easy fix for hdv1

                                      • 16. Re: Migrating HDV files from FCP
                                        Colin Brougham Level 6

                                        Hmm... do you have a super-short sample you could upload somewhere? PM if you need an FTP.

                                         

                                        I could keep sending various iterations you could try, but that would get tedious

                                        • 17. Re: Migrating HDV files from FCP
                                          DavidGarrigusProds Level 1

                                          I put the smallest file (44.4 MB) on my server.

                                           

                                          ftp://ftp.davidgarrigus.com/

                                           

                                          user: garrigus

                                          password: guest2009!

                                           

                                          Thanks again!

                                          • 18. Re: Migrating HDV files from FCP
                                            eric_sea

                                            Your exe and batch files are great... but I'm still having difficulties with .mov files from Mac/FCP containing HDV1080i 1140x1080 using the Apple HDV 1080i60 codec.  Please see below.

                                             

                                            The video was digitized using mac/FCP some time ago.  I'm attempting to pull the source files over to Windows 7 where I need to edit a new sequence and export it so that it can be sent to another party to edit into their program--I obviously must avoid any unnecessary compression.


                                            Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you.

                                             

                                            >ffmbc -i open_c.mov -vcodec copy -map_audio_channel 0:1:0:0:0:0 -map_

                                            io_channel 0:2:0:0:0:1 -acodec ac3 -ar 48000 -ac 2 -ab 448000 -f mpegts -y "%%~na".m2t

                                            FFmbc version 0.7-rc4

                                            Copyright (c) 2008-2011 Baptiste Coudurier and the FFmpeg developers

                                            Input #0, mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2, from 'open_c.mov':

                                              Metadata:

                                                creation_time: 2012-05-31 16:54:39

                                                timecode: 00:00:02;00

                                              Duration: 00:00:02.60, start: 0.510511, bitrate: 37063 kb/s

                                                Stream #0.0(eng): Video: mpeg2video (Main), yuv420p, 1440x1080i tff [PAR 4:3 DAR 16:9], 25000 kb/s, 29.97 fps

                                                Metadata:

                                                  codec_name: HDV 1080i60

                                                Stream #0.1(eng): Audio: pcm_s16le, 48000 Hz, 1 channels, s16, 768 kb/s

                                                Stream #0.2(eng): Audio: pcm_s16le, 48000 Hz, 1 channels, s16, 768 kb/s

                                                Stream #0.3(eng): Data: unknown (tmcd)

                                                Metadata:

                                                  reel_name(eng): 2010jan15-745

                                            Incompatible sample format '(null)' for codec 'ac3', auto-selecting format 'flt'

                                            [ac3 @ 000000000031DFE0] channel_layout not specified

                                            [ac3 @ 000000000031DFE0] No channel layout specified. The encoder will guess the layout, but it might be incorrect.

                                            [mpegts @ 000000000130E320] muxrate VBR, pcr every 2 pkts, sdt every 200, pat/pmt every 40 pkts

                                            Output #0, mpegts, to '%%~na.m2t':

                                              Metadata:

                                                encoder: FFmbc 0.7

                                                Stream #0.0(und): Video: mpeg2video, yuv420p, 1440x1080i tff [PAR 4:3 DAR 16:9], stream copy, 29.97 fps

                                                Stream #0.1(und): Audio: ac3, 48000 Hz, stereo, flt, 448 kb/s

                                            Stream mapping:

                                              Stream #0.0 -> #0.0

                                            Press [q] to stop, [?] for help

                                            Stream #0.0 dropping frames before first keyframe pts -1300 dts -1600 duration 0 size 263387 flags 0

                                            frame=  107 fps=  0 Lsize=   11636kB time=00:00:00.00 bitrate=   0.0kbits/s

                                            video:10784kB audio:0kB global headers:0kB muxing overhead 7.905864%

                                            • 19. Re: Migrating HDV files from FCP
                                              Jeff Bellune Adobe Community Professional

                                              If you can't get Colin's free method to work, you have another option, but it's an expensive one:

                                               

                                              Calibrated{Q} XD Decode Overview

                                               

                                              Jeff

                                              • 20. Re: Migrating HDV files from FCP
                                                adamcamera

                                                When I move a 4.14 GB Quicktime movie into my project window on Adobe Premiere Pro CC 2017, I get an error message saying: Codec missing or unavailable. According to the get-info window, the video dimensions are 1440x1080 and the codecs are MPEG-2 Video with a color profile of 1-1-1 and 2 audio channels. Upon moving the hdv 1 and 2 bat files Colin recommended into the folder containing this video, I then opened those files and got a message that my mac didn't have a program to open them. Is there a step I am missing here?