6 Replies Latest reply on Nov 10, 2011 8:51 AM by pauland

    @Adobe: Flash Mobile axed?!

    RandomReado Level 1

      Adobe, I read today you have abandoned Flash development for mobile devices. But what does this mean for the future of Flex/AIR and developing apps in Flash Builder for mobile devices?

        • 1. Re: @Adobe: Flash Mobile axed?!
          pauland Level 4

          You need to check out some of the other threads on this subject. Adobe has not abandoned mobile development, just decided to concentrate on app deployment using Air technology for Flash and in the mobile browser, looking at HTML5 rather than a flash plugin.

          • 2. Re: @Adobe: Flash Mobile axed?!
            RandomReado Level 1

            When I first came to the forums I couldn't see any threads with titles that looked related to the subject. Second I couldn't find any information on the Adobe website, not even an announcement.

             

            What really confuses me (and is the reason why I posted here) is AIR is based on Flash. So in my eyes, when I read Flash for mobile had ceased, I thought that also affected AIR.

             

            It's great news to me that's AIR isn't affected, however it would be nice if some clarification could be made stating exactly what this announcement means for Flex and AIR technologies, perhaps in the form of an FAQ?

            • 3. Re: @Adobe: Flash Mobile axed?!
              Claudiu Ursica Level 4

              Bottom line, unless some miracle happens you will probably soon have to write JS apps for either browser or Air. It will be difficult to justify flex when JS work under Aair also. And when the enterprises will start to heavily use JS instead of flex guess what will Adobe do? Refocus again, and they will drop FP, it does not make any money, tools one the other way make money. Just wonder why would I pay money for a JS tool when notepad++ is free of charge.

               

              C

              • 4. Re: @Adobe: Flash Mobile axed?!
                pauland Level 4

                Claudiu Ursica wrote:

                 

                Just wonder why would I pay money for a JS tool when notepad++ is free of charge.

                 

                ..all those crazy people using DW when notepad is just as good. Do you know that using a binary editor you could bypass the need for a compiler too?

                 

                Why buy FlashBuilder when there's a free compiler and notepad?

                 

                Claudiu I don't think I agree with your reasoning.

                • 5. Re: @Adobe: Flash Mobile axed?!
                  pauland Level 4

                  RandomReado wrote:

                   

                  When I first came to the forums I couldn't see any threads with titles that looked related to the subject. Second I couldn't find any information on the Adobe website, not even an announcement.

                   

                  Adobe have really screwed up communication of their intentions:

                   

                  http://blogs.adobe.com/conversations/2011/11/flash-focus.html

                   

                  http://forums.adobe.com/message/4017460#4017460

                   

                  http://gskinner.com/blog/archives/2011/11/flash-player-mobile-a-post-mortem.html

                   

                  http://www.leebrimelow.com/?p=3151

                   

                  http://www.bytearray.org/?p=3744

                  • 6. Re: @Adobe: Flash Mobile axed?!
                    pauland Level 4

                    I was just sent this from a flash usergroup:

                     

                    #1 Some FAQs about Adobe’s announcements yesterday

                     

                    What is it that Adobe is announcing?

                     

                    Adobe announced to increase its efforts on HTML5, use of the Flash Player for

                    applications (packaged with AIR) and specific desktop browsing use cases including

                    premium video and console-quality gaming. As a result, Adobe will no longer develop

                    Flash Player for mobile web browsers. See this Flash Platform blog post for more details: http://adobe.ly/sbokei

                     

                    Does this mean that Adobe is no longer supporting content publishers focused
                    on delivering content via a browser on a mobile device?

                     

                    Adobe offers world-class tools and technologies including HTML5 tools like Edge that

                    allow content publishers and developers to bring rich content and experiences across

                    mobile web browsers using HTML5.

                     

                    What does this mean for Flash Player support on desktops?

                     

                    Adobe is fully committed to providing a great experience for use cases not yet well

                    supported by HTML, including console quality gaming and premium video. In fact, Flash

                    Player 11 just introduced dozens of new features, including hardware accelerated 3D

                    graphics for console-quality gaming and premium HD video with content protection. We

                    are already working on Flash Player 12 and a new round of exciting features which we

                    expect to again advance what is possible for delivering high definition entertainment

                    experiences.

                     

                    Why is Adobe making this move now?

                     

                    All the major platform providers (Android, iOS, Windows 8) are betting on HTML5 for

                    browsing, some even to the point of excluding third party plug-ins such as Flash Player.

                    Adobe sees this as the right time to increase our focus on accelerating the development

                    of HTML for in browser experiences, especially on mobile (phones and tablets), and

                    general purpose apps, while using Flash to drive what’s possible in advanced interactive

                    entertainment areas like console-quality gaming and premium video so that it can

                    continue to serve as a blueprint for further work on HTML. Flash developers get the

                    greatest reach by targeting mobile devices with apps packaged with AIR, and that is

                    where we are investing while helping the mobile browsers advance the state of the art of

                    what can be done in a browser. Our new strategy allows us to maintain leadership in

                    web content and give developers the best tools to create content across all platforms.

                     

                    Will Adobe continue to support AIR? On Mobile? On TVs?

                     

                    Adobe is fully committed to enabling Flash based apps via AIR on mobile and digital

                    home devices.

                     

                    Will the Flash Player continue to be available on the Android Market?

                     

                    Yes. The current version of Flash will be available on the Android Market in the near

                    future.

                     

                    When will Adobe stop supporting Flash Player for browsing on mobile?

                     

                    Adobe will release one more version of the Flash Player for mobile browsing, which will

                    provide support for Android 4.0, and one more release of the Flash Linux Porting Kit -

                    both expected to be released before the end of this year. After that time, Adobe will

                    continue to provide critical bug fixes and security updates.

                     

                    What will happen with Flash Player support on RIM’s BBX platform?

                     

                    Adobe will continue to support RIM’s use of the Flash Player on the current PlayBook

                    configurations with critical bug fixes and security updates. RIM has done a great job

                    optimizing the Flash Player for their platform and as a result the RIM playbook provides

                    a great experience for consuming Flash content. RIM is expected to leverage their

                    expertise with Flash to continue to support and ship the Flash Player on BBX devices for the foreseeable future.

                     

                    Will the current version of Flash Player support smartphones and tablets that are
                    coming to market over the coming weeks and months?

                     

                    It depends on the version of the OS, silicon, and browser supported on the device. We

                    are working with OEMs to determine the appropriate support and transition plan for their

                    current and planned devices.

                     

                    Will Adobe stop OEMs from shipping Flash Player on devices?

                     

                    No, Adobe will not stop OEMs from pre-loading and shipping the Flash Player. We

                    expect some of our OEM partners to opt to continue working on and releasing their own

                    implementations of the Flash Player. However, Adobe will be recommending mobile

                    OEMs discontinue pre-loading new devices with Flash Player due to expected OS and

                    browser compatibility issues. However, existing licensees can continue shipping Flash

                    Player at the manufacturer’s discretion.

                     

                    Will 3D support and any of the console-quality Flash games you demoed at MAX
                    come to mobile devices?

                     

                    Yes, game developers will be able to bring console-quality games with hardwareaccelerated

                    3D graphics to mobile devices as Flash based apps packaged with AIR. On

                    the desktop 3D games can be delivered with Flash within the browser or as a Flash

                    based app via AIR. However, 3D content will not be supported in Flash Player on mobile

                    browsers.

                     

                    What does this mean for Flex?

                    Flex SDK 4.5 supports the development of mobile applications that target, or are

                    packaged with AIR. Mobile applications built with Flex SDK are installed on phone or

                    tablet devices and do not rely upon the browser or Adobe Flash Player to run; as such,

                    they are unaffected by this announcement.

                     

                    How does this affect other Flash Platform tools?

                    This news has no impact on the Flash platform tooling offerings (e.g. Flash Builder) from

                    Adobe.

                     

                    Is Flash getting more and more replaced by HTML5? How will Adobe advance
                    Flash Player on desktops and stay relevant?

                     

                    We are continuing to invest in Flash to deliver the most advanced web experiences on

                    desktops, focusing on features that are not yet available in HTML5. Flash Player 11 just

                    introduced dozens of new features, including hardware accelerated 3D graphics for

                    console-quality gaming and premium HD video with content protection. Flash

                    developers can take advantage of these features, and all that Flash has to offer, to reach more than a billion desktops through their browsers and repurpose their content to hundreds of millions of mobile devices through popular App Stores using Flash based

                    apps packaged/enabled with AIR.

                     

                    We are already working on the next future version of Flash Player and a new round of

                    exciting features which we expect to again advance what is possible for delivering high

                    definition entertainment experiences across the Web and devices. We will continue to

                    leverage our experience with Flash to accelerate our work with the W3C and WebKit to

                    bring similar capabilities to HTML5 as quickly as possible, just as we have done with

                    CSS Shaders. And, we will design new features in Flash for a smooth transition to

                    HTML5 as the standards evolve so developers can confidently invest knowing their skills will continue to be leveraged.

                     

                    How many Flash-based apps are available on App Stores today?

                     

                    There are thousands of Flash based apps available on App Stores like Android Market,

                    AppWorld, or Amazon’s App Store. Popular and top rated examples include

                    Machinarium, Politifact, Dr Stanley’s House, Facebook on BlackBerry, WatchESPN etc.

                     

                    How are Flash-based apps different from HTML5 apps?

                     

                    Flash based apps deliver features and capabilities not yet supported in HTML5 such as

                    3D graphics or content protection for premium video. Developers are able to deliver

                    high-end entertainment experiences as Flash based apps packaged via AIR on mobile

                    platforms and within the browser on desktops.

                     

                    What about Flash Player and support for web browsing on TV’s (Google TV,
                    Samsung SmartTVs and other connected Digital Home devices)?

                     

                    Adobe will continue to support existing licensees who are planning on supporting Flash

                    Player for web browsing on digital home devices and are using the Flash Player Porting

                    Kit to do so. However we believe the right approach to deliver content on televisions is

                    through applications, not a web browsing experience, and we will continue to encourage

                    the device and content publishing community down that path.

                     

                    What happens to Flash browsing support in the Google TV solution?

                     

                    We recommend you talk with Google, but we believe Google has no immediate plans to

                    remove the Flash Player from the Google TV browser.

                     

                    Do you regret having waited so long after Steve Jobs predicted that Flash Player
                    won’t work on mobile devices 1.5 years ago?

                     

                    HTML5 has matured and is able to deliver a great web browsing experiences across

                    mobile devices. At the same time users consume rich content almost exclusively via

                    apps on smartphones and tablets today.

                     

                    At Adobe we are focused on delivering the best tools and technologies for our

                    developers and content publishers so they can offer the best possible experiences to

                    their customers across platforms - from desktops to smartphones, from tablets to

                    TVs. We are proud to lead the industry with HTML5 tools while offering new, cutting–

                    edge features in Flash that are not yet supported in HTML5.

                     

                    Is this expected to improve the relationship between Adobe and Apple?

                     

                    Adobe and Apple have a longstanding relationship and Mac and iOS users are very

                    important to Adobe. Like with any other company in the industry we work closely with

                    Apple in specific areas like support for our Creative Suite products on Mac OS while we

                    compete in other areas like video editing tools.

                     

                    What platforms and browsers will Adobe continue to support with Flash Player for
                    browsing?

                     

                    Adobe plans to continue to support Apple Mac OS X and Safari; Google Chrome

                    Browser for Mac OS X, Microsoft Windows and Intel-based Chrome OS; Microsoft Intel based Windows and desktop Internet Explorer; and cooperate with other third-party

                    browser providers such as Mozilla and Opera.

                     

                    How will content publishers serving premium video reach mobile devices?

                     

                    Content publishers can continue to stream premium, Flash based video content across

                    platforms and devices including the iPhone and iPad using Flash Media Server

                    4.5. Additionally, content publishers can deliver premium video experiences as Flash

                    based applications packaged with AIR across platforms including connected TVs.

                     

                    Does Adobe intend to bring HTML5’s capabilities to full parity with Flash
                    Player? If yes, then why continue supporting Flash Player for desktop?

                     

                    HTML5 today cannot replace the Flash Player as a platform for delivering console

                    gaming or premium video experience on desktop computers. Adobe plans to leverage

                    its expertise around these use cases to help HTML5 catch up to the Flash Player, but

                    even with the rapid pace of innovation for HTML5 it will take time for HTML5 to catch up

                    to Flash.

                     

                    Will Adobe create Flash Player for Windows 8 on ARM and Windows 8 on X86?

                    Adobe’s plan is to continue supporting Flash Player for browsing on desktops going

                    forward with Windows 8 on X86 only.