12 Replies Latest reply on Jan 30, 2012 10:32 AM by Jesper Simonsen, Denmark.

    Quadro 4000 for Mac & Clean install of Mac OS X LION... (guide)

    JesperSimonsen

      I have just finished a clean install of Mac OS X Lion v.10.7.2
      on my Mac Pro (mid 2010).
      that runs with a PNY NVIDIA Quadro 4000 for Mac
      graphics card. And runs NVIDIA CUDA driver v.4.0.50

       

      Well it worked for me, and since no one writes about the solution,
      (as far as I know of)
      then I might as well come with a solution that works.
      So I thought I'd share it with you guys.
      (All at your own risk offcause) 

       

      You can see the installation guide here:
      http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=215562

       


      PEACE.

       

       


      greetz
      Jesper Simonsen, Denmark.

      new media designer & Adobe geek!

        • 1. Re: Quadro 4000 for Mac & Clean install of Mac OS X LION... (guide)
          JesperSimonsen Level 1

          Feel free to comment, if it worked for you or not. If you tried my installation guide.
          And on what hardware and software you have etc...

           

          greetz
          Jesper

          • 2. Re: Quadro 4000 for Mac & Clean install of Mac OS X LION... (guide)
            wonderspark Level 1

            One part was incorrect.

            "Quadro 4000 for Mac is the ONLY graphics card in the world that will hardware accelerate HD video editing in Adobe Premiere Pro CS 5.x+ with Adobe Mercury Playback Engine on a Mac computer. Using NVIDIA CUDA technology. NONE ATI graphics cards for any Mac offers that!"

             

            I have an nVidia GTX285 for Mac that runs HD video in CS5 with hardware acceleration / Mercury Playback Engine on my 2009 Mac Pro. It was a lot cheaper than the Quadro 4000, but they don't make them anymore. However, you still see them for sale here and there for around $300.

            • 3. Re: Quadro 4000 for Mac & Clean install of Mac OS X LION... (guide)
              JesperSimonsen Level 1

              Hi Wonderpark.

               

              As I know of it. The NVIDIA Geforce GTX 285 for Mac
              is not compatible with the "Mac Pro (mid 2010)".
              Only for the Mac Pro (2009) that you write about.
              But good point anyway. Thanks.

               

              PEACE.

               

              /Jesper

              • 4. Re: Quadro 4000 for Mac & Clean install of Mac OS X LION... (guide)
                wonderspark Level 1

                Wow, I had no idea... interesting!

                I agree it's a drag that Adobe worked with nVidia alone, leaving ATI cards out of the loop. I think it's part of the animosity between Adobe and Apple, and it's just another "F.U." to Apple, much the way Apple gave Adobe a big F.U. with the open letter about Flash being dead.

                 

                I'm not one or the other, I use both Mac and PC systems to edit video, so whatever ends up on top, I'll be using that system.

                • 5. Re: Quadro 4000 for Mac & Clean install of Mac OS X LION... (guide)
                  JesperSimonsen Level 1

                  Hi wonderspark.

                   

                  Thanks for responding.
                  I'm like you, Multi-OS minded. Mac and Windows platform.
                  We just want the computers to work.
                  And wars between Apple, Adobe, Nvidia, Intel, Samsung, HTC etc... gets us nowhere!

                   

                  Regarding the war between Apple and Adobe concerning Flash Player on iOS.
                  Flash IS dead,... on mobile devices that is!
                  Adobe has now stopped developing on Flash Player for Mobile devices.

                  Adobe Announcement:

                  http://blogs.adobe.com/conversations/2011/11/flash-focus.html


                  I guess they will concentrate on HTML5 and CSS applications.
                  Like Adobe Egde, Adobe Muse and Adobe Wallaby. (beta apps)

                   

                  I have the same point of view like you have.
                  What system that ends up working, we will use.
                  Would be sorry to leave Mac OS X stability
                  (UNIX is far more stable than Windows anyday)
                  I have been on Windows since Windows NT 4.0
                  and Macintosh since Mac OS 6.

                   

                  I think that Apple did the right thing 10 years ago
                  when Apple changed to UNIX platform and INTEL CPU's.
                  It has been going up ever since for Mac OS X.
                  And letting Apple do what they are good at,
                  making an beautiful and friendly graphical user interface
                  that are very customizable.
                  Microsoft and Google will never learn how to do that.


                  Peace.

                   

                  /Jesper

                  • 6. Re: Quadro 4000 for Mac & Clean install of Mac OS X LION... (guide)
                    glosstud Level 1

                    Well done that man with all that information. I wish I had seen this post before I returned my quadro back to apple. I could see the advantages but it was sooooooo unstable it had to go, and every time I rebooted it lost the drivers or so it seems. That said I never used the root user route as you mention.

                     

                    Maybe, I will reinvest and try again, maybe, but I did spend some of the money with a memory upgrade to 32 gig so not all was lost. I have only just done a complete clean install of lion so my options are open.

                     

                    Just one question, can it still be used with the ati 5770 card as the monitor driver and the quadro used just for gpu? I didnt see a mention of it in your link.

                     

                    Many thanks for your time.

                     

                    Dave.

                    • 7. Re: Quadro 4000 for Mac & Clean install of Mac OS X LION... (guide)
                      JesperSimonsen Level 1

                      Hi Dave/Glosstud.

                       

                      Thanks for liking my guide.
                      I'm sorry, I have not tested the system with
                      both the ATI and NVIDIA graphics card in the Mac Pro at the same time.

                      So I don't know if that works.

                      Why would you like an ATI/NVIDIA mixed enviroment?

                       

                       

                      The only thing I have seen that was a bit buggy

                      after the installation. Was the drop shadow
                      under the Mac OS X Finder windows and underneath the Launchpad icons.
                      It was a bit bulky, like too few colors in the gradient of the shadow.
                      But it disapired when I was checking my

                      Monitor/Color settings.

                      and perhaps something also happend with the drop shadow
                      inside the Change Desktop background picture dialog.
                      Nevertheless, now the drop shadow is normal.

                       

                      I have manually calibrated the monitor.
                      The colors on the NVIDIA Quadro was on my
                      sRGB and AdobeRGB ICC certificated
                      DELL UltraSharp 2410 24" monitor
                      way too bright. The horizontal background lines

                      in the Finder windows "list view" (COMMAND+2)
                      could not be seen, it was all white background.

                      After calibration the listview background lines are good too.
                      (see attached screenshot)
                      I use sRGB profile in the monitor settings.
                      And my calibrated profil in Mac OS X //Monitor/Color.

                       

                      finder_listview_ok.png

                       

                       

                      I have installed the 4.0.50 CUDA NVIDIA driver

                      as I writed in the guide on NVIDIA's forum.

                       

                      And in Adobe Premiere Pro CS 5.5
                      Adobe Mercury Playback Engine GPU Accelration
                      works fine (see attached picture)


                      mercury_playback_engine.png

                       

                      As time being, APPLE does not care about NVIDIA graphics cards.
                      Non Mac computers can be equipted with an optional NVIDIA graphics card
                      when you order a Mac today.
                      Adobe on the other hand has had a great relationship with NVIDIA to make the
                      Adobe Mercury Playback engine run in Adobe Premiere Pro
                      using the NVIDIA graphics cards CUDA cores technology.
                      And we all know about the Adobe and Apple war starting with
                      Adobe Flash Player banned on Apple iOS devices and the war between
                      Apple Final Cut Pro and Adobe Premiere Pro etc...
                      But perhaps Tim Cook sees different on these matters in the future.
                      Now they are talking about the future of the Mac Pro.
                      Will there come a new Mac Pro at all, will Apple support
                      professional users or will they concentrate on no-wises and iMac's
                      And Macbook Airs and the iPad/iPhone in the future.
                      and then off cause our constant problem with having
                      NVDIA graphics card and Blu-ray drives in the Mac Pro etc...

                       

                      The Mac Pro has to get SATA III, and Thunderbolt port,
                      and 6-8 Core INTEL XEON CPU's.
                      Professionals can and will not use iMac's.
                      So if Apple turns down the Mac Pros future, many Pros will go to
                      Windows workstations, allthough it will be a shame to leave Mac OS X

                      which is far more stable than Windows ever will be.

                      I love the UNIX rock solid stability.

                       

                      But only time will tell.

                       


                      PEACE!

                       

                      Best regards
                      Jesper Simonsen, Denmark.

                      • 8. Re: Quadro 4000 for Mac & Clean install of Mac OS X LION... (guide)
                        jasonvp Level 3

                        JesperSimonsen wrote:

                         

                        As time being, APPLE does not care about NVIDIA graphics cards.  Non Mac computers can be equipted with an optional NVIDIA graphics card when you order a Mac today.

                        This is mainly due to both companies in question acting a bit childish and one-upping each other.  A couple of years ago, nVidia screwed up a shipment of mobile processors for Apple's then Macbook Pro line (I think).  Apple had to take it on the chin to replace all of those laptop motherboards.  Since that point, Apple's response to nVidia has been: "We're going to migrate everything to AMD/ATI's video cards and GPUs."  nVidia responded by dropping support for all but a couple of Mac-specific video cards with sketchy plans to build news ones in the future.

                         

                        Who loses in this childish back and forth?  We do.

                         

                        It is highly unlikely we'll ever see another nVidia GPU OEM'd in a Mac.

                         

                        Now they are talking about the future of the Mac Pro.  Will there come a new Mac Pro at all, will Apple support professional users

                        The death of the Mac Pro has been much-rumored for a very, very long time.  Back in '06 and '07 before the Gulftown Mac Pros (the 3,1 models) were released, everyone thought the Pro was a dead duck.  Why?  Because Apple hadn't updated them in so long.  The assumption was that no one at Apple cared.

                         

                        It wasn't true then, it's not true now.  Apple has made a conscious decision to only equip the Pros with motherboards that support dual-processor setups.  And that means relying on (very expensive) Xeon processors that also support dual-p setups.  Right now, no such Sandy Bridge processor or motherboard exists, and won't until next Spring at the earliest.  So we're not going to see a new Pro until then.

                         

                        Can they build a very fast system with the current SB desktop chips?  Absolutely.  Will they?  Nope.  They'll wait till the Xeons are shipped next year, and then I'll bet we'll see a new line-up of Pros.  Until then, there will continue to be a lot of gnashing-of-teeth rumors that the Pro is a dead duck.  Again.

                         

                        jas

                        • 9. Re: Quadro 4000 for Mac & Clean install of Mac OS X LION... (guide)
                          JesperSimonsen Level 1

                          Hello Jason Van Patten.
                          Thank you for your reply.

                           

                          I agree with your general opinions.

                           

                          If the rumors is right, I will be glad about a new updated Mac Pro
                          in first half of 2012.

                           

                          I'm not glad about the APPLE/NVIDIA part though.
                          Apple, NVIDIA and also Adobe should bury the hatchet as normal adult people.
                          Now they are acting as small children in a mudd fight.

                          And this is very large companies, that should show the world innovation and posibilities!

                           

                          A computer needs good software and graphics cards right!

                          Example, many Apple Final Cut Pro users hate the new Final Cut Pro X
                          and is going back to the older version or use Adobe Premiere Pro.

                           

                          ATI graphics cards has not come up with a technology that hardware accelerate

                          HD videeo editing as Adobe and NVIDIA has done with Adobe Mercury Playback Engine

                          and NVIDIA CUDA core tecnology.

                           

                          No one knows anything about forthcoming Apple products.
                          It can only be guesses and rumors.
                          So your predictions can only be guesses.
                          But I agree with them. Intel Sandy Bridge has to come first
                          and we like to have dual Xeon Mac Pros with

                          Thunderbolt, SATA III and newer Xeon CPU's with 6-8+ cores.

                           

                          I'm in the graphical industry.
                          A lot of the advertising agencies, webdesign companies,

                          video animation companies, desktop publishing companies,

                          digital publishing companies etc.
                          Many of them use the Mac Pro as work station.
                          Many of these would not be glad if the Mac Pro discontinued.
                          Think of it a minute, how many of these companies are there in the world!!!
                          Most of these companies are also using Adobe software. Photoshop, InDesign, Dreamweaver etc.

                          So a good relationship between these companies is essential for the users.

                           


                          PEACE!

                           


                          best regards
                          Jesper Simonsen, Denmark.

                          • 10. Re: Quadro 4000 for Mac & Clean install of Mac OS X LION... (guide)
                            JS - Roende

                            NVIDIA released CUDA driver for Mac version 4.1.25

                            http://www.nvidia.com/object/macosx-cuda-4.1.25-driver.html

                             

                            I have tested the CUDA v.4.1.25 driver OK with
                            Adobe Premiere Pro CS 5.5.2 on Mac OS X 10.7.2
                            Date: 2012_01_28

                             

                            After installation the NVIDIA CUDA driver still says
                            that there is a 4.1.28 Update.

                             

                            The CUDA for Mac driver v.4.1.28
                            is a Developer Driver version!
                            Info on this page:
                            http://developer.nvidia.com/cuda-toolkit-41

                             

                            The NVIDIA CUDA for Mac Archive is here:
                            http://www.nvidia.com/object/mac-driver-archive.html

                             

                            cuda_mac_4.1.25_update_4.1.28.png

                             

                            ps.
                            Still no new Mac OS X Lion v.10.7.x NVIDIA Quadro 4000 for Mac drivers from NVIDIA.
                            REAL BAD SERVICE LEVEL FOR THEIR CUSTOMERS!

                             

                             

                            PEACE!

                             

                             

                            best regards
                            Jesper Simonsen, Denmark

                            • 11. Re: Quadro 4000 for Mac & Clean install of Mac OS X LION... (guide)
                              jasonvp Level 3

                              JS - Roende wrote:

                               

                              Still no new Mac OS X Lion v.10.7.x NVIDIA Quadro 4000 for Mac drivers from NVIDIA.

                              REAL BAD SERVICE LEVEL FOR THEIR CUSTOMERS!

                               

                              nVidia doesn't need to write any drivers for Lion.  Apple's doing it for them.  All nVidia needs to provide is the driver package for CUDA.

                               

                              jas

                              • 12. Re: Quadro 4000 for Mac & Clean install of Mac OS X LION... (guide)
                                Jesper Simonsen, Denmark.

                                Hi Jason
                                Thank you for your input.
                                Maybe you are right.

                                But never the less.
                                All Quadro 4000 for Mac users

                                has been left to their own problems with absolutely

                                no solutions for Lion working together with
                                Quadro 4000 for Mac installation.
                                At least making a guide like I have done.
                                There have been:

                                 

                                - No information from Adobe.

                                - No information from Apple

                                - No information from NVIDIA
                                - No information from PNY

                                 

                                Do you think that is swell?
                                I tell you, I don't think so.

                                 

                                Considered the cost price of the Quadro 4000 for Mac card

                                and the Mac Pro computer as well.
                                It should be Pro class computer and graphics card.
                                And the Adobe Premiere Pro CS 5.5 software
                                is the flagship of video editing from Adobe Systems.

                                 

                                The service level has not been Pro to say the least
                                from any of those four companies.

                                 

                                When we had Apple Mac OS X Snow Leopard, we could
                                go to nvidia.com at download the graphics drivers for Quadro 4000 for Mac.

                                Now on Lion, no information from anyone why we don't get that anymore.
                                Again service level stinks to say the least from all companies.

                                 

                                That is my opinion and lots of other Quadro 4000 for Mac users.

                                 


                                PEACE!

                                 


                                Best regards
                                Jesper Simonsen
                                Denmark