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1. Re: Creative cloud pricing? good for who?
Mike Ornellas Nov 23, 2011 10:13 AM (in response to Howard Rudnick)and just like the rest of the movements, your efforts will have little impact on the corporate big picture. Have fun.
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2. Re: Creative cloud pricing? good for who?
Jeff Schewe Nov 23, 2011 10:15 AM (in response to Howard Rudnick)Note the following in that post:
"For customers who prefer to remain on the current licensing model, we will continue to offer our individual point products and Adobe Creative Suite editions as perpetual licenses."
So the Adobe Creative Cloud is an option not instead of the "perpetual licenses".
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3. Re: Creative cloud pricing? good for who?
- JM - Nov 23, 2011 10:50 AM (in response to Jeff Schewe)To be honest it won't effect me, I've purchased every upgrade since PS2 and every CS suite as well. In many ways I'm happily stuck with the CS environment.
But my gut feeling is that this will open up more options and a new price point for competition to grow, there are still corporate environments that haven't approved CS5, as a result the new upgrade policy may further delay any upgrades. I purchased Pixelmator just to play with it, and it's quite nice, it can't do what I need from CS5 but that's not the idea. But can it do what 70% of the current user base needs? possibly.
the short answer is... be careful when looking for short term gains, it may come back to haunt you.
and as a result any real competition in the area would be to the end users benefit, so I'd say let's stick with the new plan : )
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4. Re: Creative cloud pricing? good for who?
Howard Rudnick Nov 23, 2011 11:25 AM (in response to Howard Rudnick)to Jeff's reply, you're going to have to buy every update, or buy a new package if you skip a ver or 2.
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5. Re: Creative cloud pricing? good for who?
Jeff Schewe Nov 23, 2011 12:20 PM (in response to Howard Rudnick)Howard Rudnick wrote:
to Jeff's reply, you're going to have to buy every update, or buy a new package if you skip a ver or 2.
Well, I already do that and have done so since Photoshop 2. So it really doesn't impact me at all. Adobe's 3 version back policy was adopted back with Photoshop CS or CS2 (can't remember). Prior to that you could update from any previous version's serial number even Photoshop 1.
Photoshop is designed as a professional application and there are other software developers that require a 1 version back upgrade policy so it's not like it's unheard of. Yes, it will impact people who don't want to upgrade to each new version...but I really don't see it as an issue for pros. $199 for an upgrade to Photoshop every 2 years works out to $8.29 a month. Heck, a martini in a nice bar costs more than that. I realize that some people are on tight budgets…and to them this may be a hardship. But there are less expensive alternatives to Photoshop available.
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6. Re: Creative cloud pricing? good for who?
- JM - Nov 23, 2011 12:53 PM (in response to Jeff Schewe)>...but I really don't see it as an issue for pros.
I wonder what percentage of the user base are real pros?
The old adage was that if you were a less frequent user of an app you'd skip every other version. This is the group that I could see looking for other apps, and with the cost for that less-than-pro user now being the full price, this opens up the door for other apps to fill in the gap.
The downside is that this less-than-pro group has been helping support ($$) the development of tools that they have never touched or needed. If we really do make this a pro only tool and only pro's can afford it, we may see development get squished once the cash cow has been slaughtered.
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7. Re: Creative cloud pricing? good for who?
eclic Nov 23, 2011 1:03 PM (in response to Jeff Schewe)if PS is designed for pro's - why all of the features introduced for new and inexperienced users? The UI, adjustment panel, non-modal etc - those benefit new users not most pros - so you can't say PS is only designed for pros. This new upgrade policy is going to hurt Adobe.
Here's something I posted earlier:
Many people rightly skip a version for various reasons. Cash flow, business needs, features and/or bugs in the software. I basically skipped CS4 as I thought the UI changes made were a serious impediment towards my work. And CS5 shipped with many portions of the liquify filter totally broken (and a slowing painting issues with certain setups) and it was over a year - literally - before it was fixed. Now if i was forced to upgrade and had to deal with issues like this I’d be very upset as a customer. Really we need a year to get up to speed on a new version and let the bugs get worked out, but now the clock is ticking and you better get your money’s worth out of the current version b/c a new one is right behind it.
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8. Re: Creative cloud pricing? good for who?
Howard Rudnick Nov 23, 2011 1:38 PM (in response to Howard Rudnick)I use ps professionally, and I can't find a lot of benefit that cs4 and 5 have given me. When I've inquired about interface changes like adjustment panel,etc., the answer is usually it makes it easier for inexperienced users. If you don't know the app, what does it matter how it's thrown at you. You have to learn it anyway. A lot of upgrades are RELEARN THIS. To most people that I work with 4 and 5 might just as well as not happened. Why buy something you're not happy with? Rather have the martini.
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9. Re: Creative cloud pricing? good for who?
- JM - Nov 23, 2011 1:49 PM (in response to Howard Rudnick)> if PS is designed for pro's - why all of the features introduced for new and inexperienced users?
>I use ps professionally, and I can't find a lot of benefit that cs4 and 5 have given me.
That broad market has been of great benefit to the professional crowd, as Jeff mentioned that CS and PS is relatively cheap in terms of tools to run a business.
Personally I would not give up CS5 to use CS4 or CS3....
Without the wide range of users we'd be paying 3k+ for the software and Adobe would be a much smaller company. The latest upgrade plan may make that occur sooner than later.
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10. Re: Creative cloud pricing? good for who?
- JM - Nov 23, 2011 2:08 PM (in response to - JM -)I'm going to do some back peddling on the idea that competition would be good here. I don't want to have to go back to a time when we needed to keep up licenses of PS, Xres, LivePicture, etc. It was an exciting time with new technologies but trying to juggle the different apps, file formats etc. was not fun.
I like having CS as the "one" suite of apps. But, I do think this new upgrade policy is very short sighted and not in the best interest of Adobe over the long haul and possibly a huge misunderstanding how much their end-users actually use PS/CS.


