21 Replies Latest reply: Dec 17, 2011 5:55 PM by Stan Jones RSS

    DVD Remote "skip" Function Doesn't Work for Blu-ray Projects (CS5 Encore)

    LaciG Community Member

           I have graduated from SD to HD and I need help.

       

      I just finished my first HD project in CS5, burned it to a Blu-ray disk and immediately encountered a problem: the skip forward and the skip backward remote functions don’t work. (I have encountered several other problems on the way to get here but I solved those with the help of the manual and by browsing this forum ). In this project, I am doing exactly what I have done in my previous SD projects (where this function works):

       

      1. In CS5 Encore, I added “Chapter Points at Intervals…”.
      2. On the timeline Properties Panel, I kept the default selection “Operations: All Permitted” (that includes “Search for Chapter” in the “Permitted User Operations” menu).
      3. In the “Project Preview” window, clicking on the “Next Chapter” or “Previous Chapter”, the function is executed correctly.

       

      Still, after burning the blu-ray disk and pressing the “skip forward” or “skip backward” buttons on the Blu-ray player (Panasonic DMP-BD65) remote, the “Operation is not permitted” message appears. (This very remote button function works on all my SD projects.)

       

      More background info: I am also using Encore Chapter Markers from the PrPro project linked with Adobe Dynamic Link, chapter marker End Actions (Jeff’s The Focal Easy Guide to Adobe Encore DVD 2.0, pp. 178-180), and Bill’s advice on using the “dip to black” transition to avoid the ~1 second gap between chapters in the Chapter Playlist that I use to play all chapters.  The following observation may be unrelated: in Encore’s Monitor Panel, the “Step Forward” button with pressing the Alt key does not move the CTI to the next GOP mark. The “Step Forward” or “Step Backward” functions (without pressing the Alt key) work (moving the CTI one frame)..

       

      At this point, I desperately need the Forum’s help.

       

      Thanks,

       

           - Laci.

        • 1. Re: DVD Remote "skip" Function Doesn't Work for Blu-ray Projects (CS5 Encore)
          Stan Jones CommunityMVP

          Chapter playlists do not work in Encore BD.

           

          Using a plain timeline with chapters added (no end actions, except for the timeline), I just did a quick test bd. Skip forward/backward works on my player.

           

          Interesting, the Alt-Frame advance does not advance by gop. This was a DL timeline.

          • 2. Re: DVD Remote "skip" Function Doesn't Work for Blu-ray Projects (CS5 Encore)
            LaciG Community Member

            Thanks. I will try again with a plain timeline. Also, I forgot to mention that I inserted the "Chapter Points at Intervals" after transcoding, and Encore didn't ask me to transcode again (didn't revert to untranscoded). The chapter points marking the chapter ends were there before transcoding. BTW, the chapter playlist appeared to work for me. One more correction: my SD projects weren't exactly the same: there I used individual timelines for chapters, (and used playlist instead of chapter playlist). I will do some experiments and report back. Thanks, Laci.

            • 3. Re: DVD Remote "skip" Function Doesn't Work for Blu-ray Projects (CS5 Encore)
              Stan Jones CommunityMVP

              Encore should correctly place the interval chapters even after transcoding.

               

              You must tell Encore to "Revert to Original" if you do want to retranscode.

               

              Let us know on the chapter playlist in blurary: I think you will find they do not work.In bluray, you must use the method you used for SD.

              • 4. Re: DVD Remote "skip" Function Doesn't Work for Blu-ray Projects (CS5 Encore)
                LaciG Community Member

                Stan, You are exactly right! Chapter playlist does not workon the player (it worked during preview on my computer - that's confused me). I didn't "Revert to Original" before applying the interval chapter points - but as you say it shouldn't have mattered anyway. So the "refusal" of the player to obey the skip command might be due to the presence of the chapter playlist in the project? Since chapter playlist doesn't work on BD I have to do the project in the "old fashioned way": separate timelines and "ordinary" playlist, and hopefully, my interval chapter points will work also. Thanks again, Laci.

                • 6. Re: DVD Remote "skip" Function Doesn't Work for Blu-ray Projects (CS5 Encore)
                  LaciG Community Member

                  Stan,

                   

                  Everything works as it should be (after creating the Encore project the "old fashioned" way). Also, I moved a few chapter points after transcoding and they worked also.

                   

                  I have an unrelated question though. In SD, I built a project, where I used the Adobe Dynamic Link to import PrPro sequences from several different PrPro projects. The import worked for a while, then stopped. I had to export the sequences first from the different PrPro projects, and the import them into Encore. (Importing several sequences from the same PrPro project always work.) Is this a bug, by design, or my fault?

                   

                  Thanks for all the help,

                   

                  Laci.

                   

                  BTW the reason I am asking this is that I have 3 Blu-ray Encore projects that I would like to burn onto one BD disk in a way that from a main menu, the viewer could navigate to any of those projects. At this moment, I can imagine this to be done by building either a new Encore project (and link all sequences to this project), or build a new PrPro project from the three separate PrPro projects. But the first method would work only by exporting/importing the sequences, the second method is much more work Any suggestion? - Thanks again, Laci.

                  • 7. Re: DVD Remote "skip" Function Doesn't Work for Blu-ray Projects (CS5 Encore)
                    Stan Jones CommunityMVP

                    I built a project, where I used the Adobe Dynamic Link to import PrPro sequences from several different PrPro projects. The import worked for a while, then stopped. I had to export the sequences first from the different PrPro projects, and the import them into Encore. (Importing several sequences from the same PrPro project always work.) Is this a bug, by design, or my fault?

                    I had at least one Encore project in which I DL'd sequences from over a dozen different Premiere projects. (This was in CS5; some of the projects had been created and edited in CS4. I had to open the projects in CS5, save, and DL to the CS5 version.) One project/sequence consistently would stall EN when the EN project was opened after that sequence was added to the EN project. The workaround was to open that project in PR before opening the EN project.

                     

                    But I have found no issue using DL with multiple PR projects in the same EN project.

                    I can imagine this to be done by building either a new Encore project (and link all sequences to this project), or build a new PrPro project from the three separate PrPro projects.

                    I would try the direct method before creating a complicated workaround. I think that should work.

                     

                    I'll note that there are a number of users who seem to not get good results with DL. I have not experimented with this enough, but I think they are often using HD PR projects for SD EN projects, and experiencing a variety of problems.

                    • 8. Re: DVD Remote "skip" Function Doesn't Work for Blu-ray Projects (CS5 Encore)
                      LaciG Community Member

                      Thanks for the advice. I will check the DL from different PrPro projects

                      again. As for your last comment: I am using HD PrPro projects in HD Encore

                      projects but I would like to burn some of them to a DVD instead of a BD.

                      Would it work?

                      • 9. Re: DVD Remote "skip" Function Doesn't Work for Blu-ray Projects (CS5 Encore)
                        Stan Jones CommunityMVP

                        I am using HD PrPro projects in HD Encore projects but I would like to burn some of them to a DVD instead of a BD.

                         

                        Would it work?

                        Yes, but...

                         

                        You may need to export from PR as mpeg2-DVD rather than DLing.

                         

                        But I would try DL first and see.

                        • 10. Re: DVD Remote "skip" Function Doesn't Work for Blu-ray Projects (CS5 Encore)
                          LaciG Community Member

                          Hi Stan,

                           

                          I will check it out but I am not there yet. I just finished this HD project and most (but not all) of the "cross dissolve" and "dip to black" transitions are jerky/rugged playing back on the (high quality) Panasonic DVD player and plasma TV. They are smooth in both the PrPro and Encore projects.

                           

                          I recorded with camcorder setting “AVCHD 1080/60i HA”, and used in the CS5 PrPro project, the settings: General > Capture Format: HDV, and New Sequence > Sequence Preset > AVCHD > AVCHD 1080i30 (60i), and used the default transcode settings to this project settings "Codec: MPEG-2; Dimensions: 1920 x 1080; Frame Rate: 29.97; Fields: Upper Field First... Maximum Audio/Video Bitrate 15.0 Mbps". (This is basically my first HD project, and I try using the simplest and most straitforward settings throughout the project.)

                           

                          Could this be due to the interlaced settings in the recording and PrPro project? Would the transitions be better with 1080/60p (recording and project) settings? Would the difference disappear after conversion to AVCHD? (Or is it the AVCHD compressed format that is coming from the camcorder, anyway?)

                           

                          Also, please let me know if there is a better thread for these issues.

                           

                          Thanks,

                           

                          Laci.

                          • 11. Re: DVD Remote "skip" Function Doesn't Work for Blu-ray Projects (CS5 Encore)
                            the_wine_snob CommunityMVP

                            Laci,

                             

                            I did not see it listed above, and if so, I apologize. For highest quality, when going to SD from an HD Project, Jeff Bellune has published this TUTORIAL. You might find it useful.

                             

                            Good luck,

                             

                            Hunt

                            • 12. Re: DVD Remote "skip" Function Doesn't Work for Blu-ray Projects (CS5 Encore)
                              Stan Jones CommunityMVP

                              I will check it out but I am not there yet. I just finished this HD project and most (but not all) of the "cross dissolve" and "dip to black" transitions are jerky/rugged playing back on the (high quality) Panasonic DVD player and plasma TV. They are smooth in both the PrPro and Encore projects.

                               

                              used the default transcode settings to this project settings "Codec: MPEG-2; Dimensions: 1920 x 1080; Frame Rate: 29.97; Fields: Upper Field First... Maximum Audio/Video Bitrate 15.0 Mbps". (This is basically my first HD project, and I try using the simplest and most straitforward settings throughout the project.)

                              What are you trying to do with this step? You describe playing a DVD, but making HDE files, presumably for a BD.

                              • 13. Re: DVD Remote "skip" Function Doesn't Work for Blu-ray Projects (CS5 Encore)
                                LaciG Community Member

                                Thanks! I will check it out. Right now, I am struggling with these rugged

                                transitions.

                                • 14. Re: DVD Remote "skip" Function Doesn't Work for Blu-ray Projects (CS5 Encore)
                                  Stan Jones CommunityMVP

                                  Right now, I am struggling with these rugged transitions.

                                  My point is that if you are importing HD material into Encore and building a DVD (which means Encore is re-transcoding it), you are asking for problems. Is that what you are doing?

                                  • 15. Re: DVD Remote "skip" Function Doesn't Work for Blu-ray Projects (CS5 Encore)
                                    LaciG Community Member

                                    Thanks for your question :-). I guess, I am a bit confused with these

                                    settings. I want to burn a Blu-ray disk. I used the PrPro project settings

                                    as transcode settings in Encore, but I might have made the wrong settings in

                                    the PrPro project to begin with. (This is my first Blu-ray project: I have

                                    been working with SD projects up to this point.) I will check out all my

                                    settings and hopefully will see what went wrong.

                                    • 16. Re: DVD Remote "skip" Function Doesn't Work for Blu-ray Projects (CS5 Encore)
                                      Stan Jones CommunityMVP

                                      I want to burn a Blu-ray disk.

                                      I was responding to your saying that you were playing from a DVD player, not a Bluray player. So I assumed you had exported as HD, brought those into  Encore, and then allowed Encore to retranscode as SD.

                                       

                                      If that was using SD assets exported from Premiere, then you are on track, and now trying to bring HD assets over to Encore. I just wanted to be clear which version you were working on. And also what the SD results were, if you had already done that part.

                                      • 17. Re: DVD Remote "skip" Function Doesn't Work for Blu-ray Projects (CS5 Encore)
                                        LaciG Community Member

                                        Up to now I worked only with standard definition projects and outputted them

                                        to DVDs. This is my HD project. My problem is that I am a bit confused with

                                        the proper (and simple) settings for a blu-ray project. Your

                                        questions/comments imply that I am making a "DVD project" - but then, how

                                        can I burn it to a BD?

                                         

                                         

                                         

                                        Here is what I am doing, and please, let me know if/where I am making my

                                        mistake:

                                         

                                         

                                         

                                        1.       On the camcorder the recording format is set to "AVCHD 1080/60i

                                        HA".

                                         

                                        2.       In the CS5 PrPro new project:

                                         

                                        a.       General > Capture Format: HDV

                                         

                                        b.      New Sequence > Sequence Preset > AVCHD > "AVCHD 1080i30 (60i)".

                                         

                                        3.       In Encore: File >  Project Settings > Basic:

                                         

                                        a.       Authoring Mode: "Blu-ray"

                                         

                                        b.      Transcode Settings: "Codec: MPEG-2; Dimensions: 1920 x 1080; Frame

                                        Rate: 29.97, Fields: Upper Field First, Audio Transcoding Scheme: Dolby

                                        Digital, Maximum Audio/Video Bitrate: 15.0 Mbps"

                                         

                                        c.       In the "Default Transcode Settings" window, the Blu-ray tab is

                                        highlighted. (There, I could change the codec from MPEG-2 to H.264 -

                                        according to some articles it would give slightly better quality in certain

                                        circumstances - I don't know.)

                                         

                                        d.      On the Encore Project Panel, right clicking on the sequences, and

                                        choosing "Transcode Settings" from the menu, I get a window that says "DVD

                                        Transcoding" and "Blu-ray Transcoding". In the Blu-ray Transcoding section,

                                        I choose Codec: MPEG-2, Dimension 1920x1080, Frame Rate: 29.97, Quality

                                        Preset: Automatic Using Project Settings.

                                         

                                        e.       Going into the "Edit Quality Presets", I change the "Export

                                        Settings Preset" to "1920x1080i 29.97 Maximum Quality" (from the 1280x720)

                                         

                                        4.       Now, in the Project Panel, under the Blu-ray Transcode Settings I

                                        see: "1920x1080i 29.97 Maximum Quality MPEG-2".

                                         

                                         

                                         

                                        Are these the correct settings for a high quality Blu-ray project? I am

                                        re-transcoding the project with these settings to see if I still get the bad

                                        transitions.

                                         

                                         

                                         

                                        Thanks for your advice,

                                         

                                         

                                         

                                        Laci.

                                        • 18. Re: DVD Remote "skip" Function Doesn't Work for Blu-ray Projects (CS5 Encore)
                                          Stan Jones CommunityMVP

                                          This is my HD project. My problem is that I am a bit confused with

                                          the proper (and simple) settings for a blu-ray project.

                                          Okay. And I get your workflow, except that I think you don't say so in post 17, but are using dynamic link to get the PR sequence to Encore, right?

                                           

                                          How are you observing the output of your HD effort? You said before "I just finished this HD project and most (but not all) of the "cross dissolve" and "dip to black" transitions are jerky/rugged playing back on the (high quality) Panasonic DVD player and plasma TV. They are smooth in both the PrPro and Encore projects." You can't test the BD on a DVD player. So before we conclude that you don't have a good result, let's be clear on what your test method is.

                                           

                                          Generally on a BD project, you want to use H.264 not MPEG2.

                                          • 19. Re: DVD Remote "skip" Function Doesn't Work for Blu-ray Projects (CS5 Encore)
                                            LaciG Community Member

                                            I apologize for my mistyping: I am burning onto a Blu-ray disk and playing

                                            it in a Panasonic DMP-BD65 Blu-ray player. (I am trying to ask help for two

                                            unrelated issues: 1. Transcoding and Burning a HDV project onto a (SD) DVD

                                            disk and play it on a DVD player; 2. Finding the proper transcode and export

                                            settings for my Blu-ray project to be burned on e BD and played on a Blu-ray

                                            player. I apologize if I wasn't clear about this at the beginning.) I

                                            already sent another reply with the details of my settings and wonder if

                                            they are correct.

                                            • 20. Re: DVD Remote "skip" Function Doesn't Work for Blu-ray Projects (CS5 Encore)
                                              LaciG Community Member

                                              . Right! (And sorry again for interchangeably using the terms DVD player and

                                              Blu-ray player.) I got rid of my DVD players a long time ago :-). I just

                                              checked out a (shortened version) of my project, and the transitions work

                                              just fine with the settings I posted in my previous message.

                                               

                                               

                                               

                                              I still have two questions: 1. Would the quality (resolution, etc.) be

                                              better with using the H.264 codec and/or 2. taking the video in progressive

                                              (instead of the interlaced) mode, in general? (I understand that fast moving

                                              scenes the progressive is better.)

                                               

                                               

                                               

                                              Thanks again,

                                               

                                               

                                               

                                              Laci.

                                              • 21. Re: DVD Remote "skip" Function Doesn't Work for Blu-ray Projects (CS5 Encore)
                                                Stan Jones CommunityMVP

                                                Use the same short bits and check it out. Generally, for the movies at least, I understand H.264 to be preferred.

                                                 

                                                I think the recent recommendation has been to keep it as you shot it: prgressive or interlaced, but I defer to someone who has compared both options.