In your situation, it is not worth the extra $50 just for a 100MHz increase in the stock clock speed. And the i7-2700K IMHO does not overclock any higher than the i7-2600K while remaining stable.
And don't get any Arctic Silver 5: It's now outdated, and requires an extremely long curing time (200 hours, or more than one week of on-and-off cycling without any overclock whatsoever or much of a load) in order to perform its best. And once cured, you'll find that it doesn't perform all that much better than the average aftermarket thermal compound. In other words, the Arctic Silver 5 is better than the thermal compound that comes with the Hyper 212 Plus cooler, but not sufficiently better than the stock compound to justify spending the $13 price for it. There are better aftermarket thermal componds available, such as the Arctic Cooling MX-4, that require little to no curing.
And since the i7-2600K or i7-2700K have only a dual-channel memory controller, using three sticks of RAM will likely throw everything in single-chammel-only mode or a "Flex" memory controller mode that runs part of the installed memory in single-channel. Go with 4 x 4GB (total of 16GB) of RAM for that platform unless you want to spend nearly $300 on RAM (in which case 4 x 8GB, for a total of 32GB, is feasible).
As for the PSU, with the Hybrid, you'd be paying more than $50 extra just for a convenient PSU front fan control. Otherwise, the guts inside both the Silent Pro Hybrid and the Silent Pro Gold are very similar. And if you're going to pay the price of that Silent Pro Hybrid PSU, you might as well go for the higher-quality Corsair AX850 PSU.
Your build list looks good.
- cpu, yes, go with the 2600k
- 16GB is good for your price point; for those going with 3x4GB, they possibly have another chipset (ie X58), or they are making a mistake
- power supply, Silent pro Gold is fine; if you want to spend more, go with AX850 (but not coolermaster)
- Artic Silver 5 - a classic, I love it
- Hyper 212 Plus, yes it is worth it
- GTX 570 - go with the larger memory if you will be working with really large frame sizes; if not, then it is not worth it
Should I consider this?
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7 $29.99
Is 16Gb good enoughRam? Is G.SKILL a reliable brand? I have seen others choosing Crucial brands and going 3x4Gb (total of 12Gb). Any thoughts?
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2133 (PC3 17000) Desktop Memory Model F3-17000CL11Q-16GBXL $139.99
Which one? Is it worth to pay an extra $60.00 for the GTX570 2560mb?
EVGA 012-P3-1571-KR GeForce GTX 570 HD w/Display-Port (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card $339.99
EVGA 025-P3-1579-AR GeForce GTX 570 (Fermi) HD 2560MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card $399.99
I would suggest you upgrade to the latest CPU cooler generation of the CM Hyper 212 cooler and get the Hyper 212 EVO. It has tested better at high OC'ing and is only $5 more plus get a second fan for it.
Memory, if you ever are thinking of upgrading you might consider going with 2 x 8 GB, I realize that you cannot readily got the high speed modules. I had 4 DDR3-2166 4 GB modules and when I went to 4 x 8 GB at DDR3-1333 my PPBM5.5 H.264 encoding score improved about 6 seconds (54 to 48). I do not know if it was a fluke or not but I bought 4 seperate modules and was able to push on i7-2600K to 5 GHz with the 1333's
Do you temporarily have any old graphics card laying around. Some time in the first quarter nVidia is supposed to release new "Kepler" based cards and I myself hate to buy the current generation until we see what the next generation looks like.
Thanks RjL190365 for your response. Now I got clear to stick with the 2600k and use that extra $50.00 for other parts, since the diference in performance would be practically the same compared to the 2700k. Spending another $300.00 for a total of 32gb Ram is out of my butget and I think 4x4 would be fine based on other users comments. I would also do a research on the Arctic Cooling MX-4 and the Corsair AX850 PSU.
Thanks Jim and Bill for your kind response!
The Hyper 212 EVO looks inetersting and I have noted that recommendation too. The question I have, since I am recommended to purchase another fan for the Hyper 212 EVO, is where this fan would be located??.
As per the higher memory GTX570 GPU. I kind of thought the same to purchase the 2560mb card but I needed an opinion from an experienced person before making any mistakes or paying for something I would not benefit much.
Talking about amount of Ram...I think that by the time I decide to upgrade ram (maybe a year or so) there should be a better system out there already to consider building. Since this would be my first try it would be probably wise to spend only the necessary money and the next time (with more experience) think on a more robust system. I think I will stick with 16gb ram (4x4)
Bill...I am actually using an Evga GTX470 gpu card. Would I benefit in some way this this new "Kepler"?? (by the way..what is this new thing supposed to do with old cards??)
On the fans, one on the input side and another on the output side
GPU, if you already have a GTX 470 there is no significant advantage getting a GTX 570 unless as Jim said you are using extraordinary large frame sizes. See this chart
Hi: Here I am back again after recovering being sick for a few weeks and ready to continue with my new built system project. First of all I want to thank for all previous responses and I want to give you an update to where I am and what I have purchased so far:
COOLER MASTER HAF 932 Advanced Blue Edition case
ASUS P8Z68 DELUXE/GEN3 motherboard
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO CPU cooler
Corsair Gold AX850 PSU
Lite-On 12x BR burner SATA IHBS112-29 (2)
Next purchase:-Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 3000 BX80623I72600K $319.99-16 gb RAM (which one of these should I get or be a better investment?)-G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2133 (PC3 17000) Desktop Memory Model F3-17000CL11Q-16GBXL $139.99-G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) Desktop Memory Model F3-14900CL9Q-16GBXL $129.99-CORSAIR Vengeance 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMZ16GX3M4A1600C9B $89.99
System:320GB Samsung Spinpoint F4 SATA 3.5-inch desktop hard drive (7200rpm, 16MB cache) $86.99. Based on other reviews I think I should stay away by now with SSD. Any thoughts?
Video/Projects: (2) RAID 0, Western Digital Caviar Black WD1502FAEX 1.5TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive $169.99 each
Previous/Export files: (2) RAID 0, Western Digital Caviar Black WD1502FAEX 1.5TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive $169.99 each
Backup: (1) Western Digital Caviar Black WD1502FAEX 1.5TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive $169.99
On the Hard Drives, should I stick mostly with the Caviar Black? Any other recommendations on brands or models?
Also, do I need to consider a Raid controller or I am ok with the built in on the motherboard?
As I mentioned before I own a EVGA 1280 mb GTX470 GPU installed on my old quad core system. I was thinking on purchasing the GTX570 but Bill Gehrke kindly recommended to use the GTX470 unless I am working with extremely large frame sizes. My response is that I mainly work with HD videos 1920x1080 and 1280x720. Would this card be ok for this purpose?
Thanks again for your help!
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All three models of memory are good choices. Whether you will need the extra speed and thus cost, depends on the overclocking you will do.
Alternative for the WD Caviar Black is the Hitachi 7K3000.
A raid controller is not required, on-board stripes are just as good and a dedicated raid controller will give you a more than 10% performance penalty on MPEG2-DVD exports, due to the throttling down of the video card from PCIe-16x to PCIe-8x. The 470 card is good and can be ported to the new system.
See Adobe Forums: Raid Performance and Rebuild Issues for some more background on raids.
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For your RAM choice, I can't speak for the Corsair, but for the Ripjaws options, I'd lean towards the slower one since it is still pretty fast, but is designed to run at lower voltage (1.5v.).
I would definitely go for a SSD if this will be a general use PC; Of course if this is an editing only rig, you can same some cash with the HD. 128GB Crucial M4 ($183 at Newegg today) would be my first choice right now. SSDs continue to come down in price and HD pricing is really jacked up now since the Thailand floods. The SSD will make your PC feel faster browsing, opening programs, etc.
I would second Harm's alternative for Hitachi's 7k3000 series drives. I would suggest building a single 2x2TB RAID 0 array with 7k3000 or WD black (64mb buffer models) with a 3rd identical drive for backups. Then, if that is not fast enough, add another single or 2x RAID 0 for media cache and render outputs. Your system will most likely edit just fine with 2x2TB RAID 0 I assure you; it just will not render as fast (i.e. making DVDs, output to Blu-ray format, etc.). Why 2TB's? They are a bit faster (more platters/heads), but also they seem to be a more standard size which would make it easier to find additional matching drives later on, hopefully when HD prices are much lower!
At your price point, reuse of your GTX 470 is a no brainer! I would not consider HD video to be a large frame size; large photos on the time line would be.
Regarding hardware RAID, if your "system price" budget is still on the order of $1500, then you certainly do not need to think at all about any hardware controller options.
On the RAM, I personally have not found any relationship to RAM clock speed and overclocking the CPU, there may be some but My Z68 system with my i7-2600K I early on bought my 4 each 8 GB RAM modules before they were offering anything but PC-1333 modules and I am running it at 5.0 GHZ. Whether this is an exception to the rules that others have advanced is open to debate, but I am just reporting my situation. Before I got these 8 GB modules I had 4 each 4 GB PC-1333 and PC2166. Guess that calls for some testing on my part.
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The reason why your RAM speed does not have a forced "relationship" with overclocking your CPU is because the i7-2600k CPU is an "unlocked" model from Intel, and that is the same CPU that Luis is using here. For those of us using CPUs that are "locked", like my i7-970 CPU, RAM speed can be a bigger factor when OC'ing is involved.
Thanks for the replies.
I can see the the money differenece between WD Caviar Black 1.5 tb and the Hitachi 7K3000 2tb is only $30.00 and for that I think the investement would be better. Thanks Harm, Bill and Jim for your thoughts!
SSD or just HD for the OS still have me in doubt. I know money is an issue but I will accept budget changes if performance will benefit.
Jim's thoughts about the HD setup makes a little bit more sense to me now since my old quad core system (bought almost 4 years ago) have this same configuration:
1 500gb HD for OS/ programs
2(1tb) HD Raid 0 for video projects (originally 500gb each), and
1 (1tb) HD for exports (originally 500gb)
Now my question for Jim to make sure I am following him right:
When you suggest to build a single 2x2TB RAID 0 array with 7k3000 or WD black (64mb buffer models) and a 3rd identical drive (2tb) for backups, means that I will be using the ONLY ONE single 2x2tb Raid 0 for video projects and exports, and the other 2 tb HD just for backups?? So, we are talking a total of 4 HD in the system, right? Also, as you said, if it is not fast enought then think later on a second Raid 0 2xhd or single hd. for exports.
And on the Ram issue, after reading other responses and recommendations here I think I would go with the cheapest one I had in mind (CORSAIR Vengeance 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMZ16GX3M4A1600C9B $89.99) or the G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Low Voltage Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9Q-16GBXM for $99.99, for the simple reason that if later decided to upgrade to 32 Gb (more likely in around a year) prices would be lot cheaper than what we have now on the 32gb, and on the other side I have in mind to overclock the motherboard as soon as I learn how to do it. Does it make sense?
Yes, I think that you understood me correctly, and your plans do make sense.
Good luck, and report back with how well things work out and with PPBM5 results after you have it all up and going!
Besides the OS (Win 7 pro), thermal compound and a card reader to be added, is there anything else I should be AWARE OF to purchase?
This system will easily cost over $2,000.00 due to the high cost of HDs. I will post the total cost as soon as I have all the parts ordered.
I also know there is still some more work to be done on bios, windows and premier in order to have it run it properly. Can anyone please help me with a link where I can find all these and any other information to follow up and complete succesfully this project? It will be really appreciated.
I know there are many people like me wanting to built their first editing system, but the most dificult part is to get started. If I would have done it a few months ago when I was thinking on doing it I could have saved much more money on HDs compared to todays prices.
This video on Youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9IN4B6Jwng) as well as this one on NewEgg (http://www.newegg.com/Store/Promotion.aspx?storeid=33&name=DIY-PC-Combos&cm_sp=Pillar2-_-B uildYourOwn-_-http%3a%2f%2fpromotions.newegg.com%2fhomepage%2fpillar%2fhomepage2011%2fbnr_ lifestyle_combo.jpg) helped me a lot to understand how to handle this project. Lets wait for the results!
Thanks again for your help!
Here are some links I've saved that talk about Win7 setup
Be sure you have the default hard drive indexing OFF for all drives and folders!!!
Temp/Cookie Cleaner http://www.mixesoft.com/
Win7 Toolbar http://WindowsSecrets.com/comp/110210
More Win7 Tips http://windowssecrets.com/comp/110127
Utilities http://windowssecrets.com/comp/110106 (Startup Solutions)
Win7 Configuration Article http://windowssecrets.com:80/comp/100218
Win7 Monitor http://windowssecrets.com:80/comp/100304
Win7 Optimizing http://www.blackviper.com/Windows_7/servicecfg.htm
Win7 Virtual XP http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/
More on Virtual XP http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=5607&tag=col1;post-5607
Win7 Adobe Notes http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/508/cpsid_50853.html#tech
Win7 Adobe Update Server Problem http://forums.adobe.com/thread/586346
An Adobe Win7 FAQ http://forums.adobe.com/thread/511916
More Win7 Tips/FAQ http://forums.adobe.com/thread/513640
Win7 God Mode http://forums.adobe.com/thread/595255
CS5 Install Error http://forums.adobe.com/thread/629281
CS5 Help Problem http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/842/cpsid_84215.html
Win7 and Firewire http://forums.adobe.com/thread/521842
Win7 64bit Crashing and "a" fix http://forums.adobe.com/thread/580435
Harm's Tools http://forums.adobe.com/thread/504907
Optimizing Hard Drive http://www.video2brain.com/en/videos-5353.htm
Anti-Malware Tools http://windowssecrets.com/newsletter/the-advanced-system-recover-toolkit/
Free Optimizer http://www.iobit.com/advancedsystemcareper.html
Repair AVI http://forums.adobe.com/thread/888268
Tune Vista & Win7 64bit http://forums.adobe.com/thread/436139
Thanks a lot John for all these interesting links!