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1. Re: Premiere Pro Metadata (Speech) into Encore (Subtitles)???
John T Smith Dec 24, 2011 12:53 PM (in response to tinfanide)I'm not 100% but I **think** subtitles must be created in Encore
Anyway, here are some previous subtitle discussions
http://forums.adobe.com/thread/658295
http://forums.adobe.com/thread/447033
http://forums.adobe.com/thread/927285
http://forums.adobe.com/thread/931785
http://forums.adobe.com/thread/901264
Search the forum for subtitle and you should find more discussions
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2. Re: Premiere Pro Metadata (Speech) into Encore (Subtitles)???
Stan Jones Dec 24, 2011 7:44 PM (in response to tinfanide)Subtitles can be created in Encore and not in Premiere. But they must be created in Encore manually.
However, they can be imported into Encore. I don't know of an Adobe tool that will create the import file from metadata/text.
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/encore/cs/using/WSbaf9cd7d26a2eabfe807401038582db29-7eada.html
I would look at subtitle creation apps and see what options they have.
Edited to correct hyperlink.
And Edited again to add this:
See the notes here regarding Encore flash export and subtitles:
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/encore/cs/using/WS130B1F01-AE62-4c59-BA44-F29ACD8522EEa.html
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3. Re: Premiere Pro Metadata (Speech) into Encore (Subtitles)???
tinfanide Dec 24, 2011 10:32 PM (in response to tinfanide)I'm still struggling, actually have been dealing with this hassle for months and wondered how possible it'd be for Adobe not to care anything about subtitle.
Yes I knew the sheer unfortunate fact that we had to do subtitles manually in Encore and that's why
I looked for ways to do it auto in Premiere (Speech Analysis) with the help of After Effects and Flash.
Right now I seem to have found two approaches which cannot compensate for each other (each having their own merits in my honest opinion) and they seem two seperate teams under Adobe working on something similar
#1: Metadata -> Cuepoints (searchable videos)
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/video/articles/metadata_video.html
Premiere Pro -> After Effects -> Flash
This one is searchable, and has got subtitles (auto)
The thing missing that I need is subtitles are not arranged according to utterance yet to max words (can set max words yourself)
e.g.
A speaker utters,"I love eating apples. It is good for health." [00:00:01:00] - [00:00:03:00] (Metadata)
Cuepoints treat each word as one cuepoint and in the script you have to set
max = %integer%; (e.g. max = 5;)
And the subtitles turn out:
"I love eating apples. It"
"is good for health."
This is the best I've ever explored.
#2: Metadata -> HTML page
http://www.lynda.com/home/Player.aspx?lpk4=63748
Story -> OnLocation -> Premiere Pro -> Encore
Please look at the part from 00:03:00 to 00:03:45 where I wonder
why the subtitles spring up (manually added by the speaker of the video or auto done by a script text imported?)
If it needs a script text imported to batch do subtitles in Encore, how do the Adobe products help this process?
It we need third-party software to do so, how do those Adobe envangelists put up subs on their advertising videos (the closed captions - that's how they call subtitles)
#3: Metadata -> Cuepoints -> Closed Captions
This is another way I guess would work through the use of Flash
I'm still looking at the refs contributed by your guys. Thanks very much for the reply. Hope I can sort this out in a more efficient way.
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4. Re: Premiere Pro Metadata (Speech) into Encore (Subtitles)???
tinfanide Dec 25, 2011 1:06 AM (in response to tinfanide)The latest finding is:
Two ways:
#1 working on metadata (cuepoints)
Premiere Pro -> After Effects -> Flash
cuepoint xml file seperates each word from each other
it treats the script word by word and that is why the video is searchable and users' search results bring users to the specific time where the word is uttered
#2 working on Encore subtitle (subtitle)
Not cuepoints, not word by word
but traditional subtitles where a chunk of words are grouped together to make the script meaningful
This is easily made in the software called "SubtitleEdit" where a variety of subtitle formats can be exported (including Encore TXT)
Now it seems to me that searchablity for online videos and Encore subtitle (Closed captioning) are two discrete things, which I have messed up
Close captioning (making subtitles and let them on or off to the disertion of users) has nothing to do with searchable subtitle (for searchable videos)
Encore subtitle (Encore TXT) has nothing to do with cuepoint metadata used in After Effects and Flash
So,
it is wrong for me to have thought that I can utilise Premiere Pro Speech Analysis metadata to produce subtitles
Am I right?
This might be one of the solutions to have both closed captioning and searchable video (searchable subtitles)
http://www.flexdaddy.com/2010/03/26/searchable-flash-video-with-speech-transcripts/
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5. Re: Premiere Pro Metadata (Speech) into Encore (Subtitles)???
Stan Jones Dec 25, 2011 7:52 AM (in response to tinfanide)Now it seems to me that searchablity for online videos and Encore subtitle (Closed captioning) are two discrete things, which I have messed up
Close captioning (making subtitles and let them on or off to the disertion of users) has nothing to do with searchable subtitle (for searchable videos)
Encore subtitle (Encore TXT) has nothing to do with cuepoint metadata used in After Effects and Flash
So,
it is wrong for me to have thought that I can utilise Premiere Pro Speech Analysis metadata to produce subtitles
Your last question, currently it won't, and a third party tool is the best way (if one exists). The important question is whether your goal is to have a DVD at all. If not, I'm not sure how subtitles or closed captioning as defined for DVD are relevant. I am now assuming that the Endcore to flash was a way to get subtitles or closed captioning for another purpose.
You have described a workflow for searchable text in flash. What is your goal?
I think you can differentiate among subtitles (defined in terms of DVDE specs), closed captioning (defined in terms of TV standards), titles that are burned into the video (which might appear to be any of the above), and any other sort of title/text that is made to appear or not by programs that handle such choices (such as flash).
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6. Re: Premiere Pro Metadata (Speech) into Encore (Subtitles)???
tinfanide Dec 25, 2011 7:55 AM (in response to tinfanide)Finally have done something...
Successful in making an interactive video that is
1. searchable (metadata supported)
2. subtitle on/off
Indeed the subtitle is not made manually in Encore (just too clumsy doing so in Encore where it is not worth the hassle)
I use SubtitleEdit to manually type each line of the subtitle
save it as Encore txt (w)
import it into Encore
This makes the product I wanted.
But just one problem left for me:
How can I make use of the speech analysis metadata and turn it into subtitle that is divided meaningful into timecodes? As I said,
metadata treats every word as ONE cuepoint. It still takes a human to manually process from which cuepoint to which cuepoint that makes a meaningful line of subtitle.
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7. Re: Premiere Pro Metadata (Speech) into Encore (Subtitles)???
tinfanide Dec 25, 2011 8:10 AM (in response to Stan Jones)Yes, maybe just a newbie in the field of video editing
no idea of what terms I've been using wrong
My goal is to have online videos searchable.
The searchable functionality is activated by Encore (build flash). No problem with that. Can search the metadata for specific words that bring users to the timecodes.
Another goal is to make the videos have closed captioning (I mean on the player menu users can turn on or off the subtitle)
This can be done in Encore too. Yet one thing missing is that we have to import a script text into Encore subtitle layer.
That means we cannot use the metadata in Premiere Pro and we have to manually type the scripts and save them as an Encore TXT file before importing into Encore
I just wonder if we can make use of the Speech Analysis functionality in Premiere Pro and based on the metadata make a script text as subtitle.
If it was possible, it would save us much time manually listening to tracks and typing the subtitle in front of a computer.
One thing I could think of as a user, not a developer (if I were, I would spend many nights making a program doing so) the idea of making use of cuepoints
Cuepoints treat each word in the metadata as an unit and in the XML file, we may add in a pair of tag within each cuepoint tag, called "group"
<group>1</group>
For cuepoint that has the same group number, assign a timeslot for that group. (00:01:00 -> 00:03:00)
This clusters a group of cuepoints as a meaningful line of subtitle and
this can actualise what I wanted
I just wonder if there's any software doing this job
SubtitleEdit cannot
it cannot process a Soundbooth cuepoint XML file



