7 Replies Latest reply: Dec 25, 2011 8:10 AM by tinfanide RSS

    Premiere Pro Metadata (Speech) into Encore (Subtitles)???

    tinfanide Community Member

      I've analysed the vid and have got the speech metadata.

      I dynamic link from Premiere to Encore.

      In Encore,

      Open a new Timeline

      But I can only see the two layers (Video & Audio)

      The Subtitle layer is not there.

      I can still export (build) the project to Flash (Web) in which I can search through the video.

      But the subtitle is disabled.

       

      My question is:

      how can I enable the subtitle layer and turn the metadata in Premiere into subtitles in Encore?

       

      I even tried importing Premiere exported .flv to After Effects and in AE, I've got transcribed speech texts in accordance to their time.

      But I don't know how to make use of this and convert it to Encore subtitles so that

      in the web FLV, I can do searching and view the subtitles.

        • 1. Re: Premiere Pro Metadata (Speech) into Encore (Subtitles)???
          John T Smith CommunityMVP

          I'm not 100% but I **think** subtitles must be created in Encore

           

          Anyway, here are some previous subtitle discussions

          http://forums.adobe.com/thread/658295

          http://forums.adobe.com/thread/447033

          http://forums.adobe.com/thread/927285

          http://forums.adobe.com/thread/931785

          http://forums.adobe.com/thread/901264

           

          Search the forum for subtitle and you should find more discussions

          • 2. Re: Premiere Pro Metadata (Speech) into Encore (Subtitles)???
            Stan Jones CommunityMVP

            Subtitles can be created in Encore and not in Premiere. But they must be created in Encore manually.

             

            However, they can be imported into Encore. I don't know of an Adobe tool that will create the import file from metadata/text.

             

            http://help.adobe.com/en_US/encore/cs/using/WSbaf9cd7d26a2eabfe807401038582db29-7eada.html

             

            I would look at subtitle creation apps and see what options they have.

             

            Edited to correct hyperlink.

             

            And Edited again to add this:

             

            See the notes here regarding Encore flash export and subtitles:

             

            http://help.adobe.com/en_US/encore/cs/using/WS130B1F01-AE62-4c59-BA44-F29ACD8522EEa.html

            • 3. Re: Premiere Pro Metadata (Speech) into Encore (Subtitles)???
              tinfanide Community Member

              I'm still struggling, actually have been dealing with this hassle for months and wondered how possible it'd be for Adobe not to care anything about subtitle.

              Yes I knew the sheer unfortunate fact that we had to do subtitles manually in Encore and that's why

              I looked for ways to do it auto in Premiere (Speech Analysis) with the help of After Effects and Flash.

               

              Right now I seem to have found two approaches which cannot compensate for each other (each having their own merits in my honest opinion) and they seem two seperate teams under Adobe working on something similar

               

              #1: Metadata -> Cuepoints (searchable videos)

              http://www.adobe.com/devnet/video/articles/metadata_video.html

              Premiere Pro -> After Effects -> Flash

              This one is searchable, and has got subtitles (auto)

              The thing missing that I need is subtitles are not arranged according to utterance yet to max words (can set max words yourself)

              e.g.

              A speaker utters,"I love eating apples. It is good for health." [00:00:01:00] - [00:00:03:00] (Metadata)

              Cuepoints treat each word as one cuepoint and in the script you have to set

              max = %integer%; (e.g. max = 5;)

              And the subtitles turn out:

              "I love eating apples. It"

              "is good for health."

               

              This is the best I've ever explored.

               

              #2: Metadata -> HTML page

              http://www.lynda.com/home/Player.aspx?lpk4=63748

              Story -> OnLocation -> Premiere Pro -> Encore

               

              Please look at the part from 00:03:00 to 00:03:45 where I wonder

              why the subtitles spring up (manually added by the speaker of the video or auto done by a script text imported?)

              If it needs a script text imported to batch do subtitles in Encore, how do the Adobe products help this process?

              It we need third-party software to do so, how do those Adobe envangelists put up subs on their advertising videos (the closed captions - that's how they call subtitles)

               

              #3: Metadata -> Cuepoints -> Closed Captions

              This is another way I guess would work through the use of Flash

               

              I'm still looking at the refs contributed by your guys. Thanks very much for the reply. Hope I can sort this out in a more efficient way.

              • 4. Re: Premiere Pro Metadata (Speech) into Encore (Subtitles)???
                tinfanide Community Member

                The latest finding is:

                Two ways:

                 

                #1 working on metadata (cuepoints)

                Premiere Pro -> After Effects -> Flash

                cuepoint xml file seperates each word from each other

                it treats the script word by word and that is why the video is searchable and users' search results bring users to the specific time where the word is uttered

                 

                #2 working on Encore subtitle (subtitle)

                Not cuepoints, not word by word

                but traditional subtitles where a chunk of words are grouped together to make the script meaningful

                This is easily made in the software called "SubtitleEdit" where a variety of subtitle formats can be exported (including Encore TXT)

                 

                Now it seems to me that searchablity for online videos and Encore subtitle (Closed captioning) are two discrete things, which I have messed up

                Close captioning (making subtitles and let them on or off to the disertion of users) has nothing to do with searchable subtitle (for searchable videos)

                Encore subtitle (Encore TXT) has nothing to do with cuepoint metadata used in After Effects and Flash

                So,

                it is wrong for me to have thought that I can utilise Premiere Pro Speech Analysis metadata to produce subtitles

                 

                Am I right?

                 

                This might be one of the solutions to have both closed captioning and searchable video (searchable subtitles)

                http://www.flexdaddy.com/2010/03/26/searchable-flash-video-with-speech-transcripts/

                • 5. Re: Premiere Pro Metadata (Speech) into Encore (Subtitles)???
                  Stan Jones CommunityMVP

                  Now it seems to me that searchablity for online videos and Encore subtitle (Closed captioning) are two discrete things, which I have messed up

                  Close captioning (making subtitles and let them on or off to the disertion of users) has nothing to do with searchable subtitle (for searchable videos)

                  Encore subtitle (Encore TXT) has nothing to do with cuepoint metadata used in After Effects and Flash

                  So,

                  it is wrong for me to have thought that I can utilise Premiere Pro Speech Analysis metadata to produce subtitles

                  Your last question, currently it won't, and a third party tool is the best way (if one exists). The important question is whether your goal is to have a DVD at all. If not, I'm not sure how subtitles or closed captioning as defined for DVD are relevant. I am now assuming that the Endcore to flash was a way to get subtitles or closed captioning for another purpose.

                   

                  You have described a workflow for searchable text in flash. What is your goal?

                   

                  I think you can differentiate among subtitles (defined in terms of DVDE specs), closed captioning (defined in terms of TV standards), titles that are burned into the video (which might appear to be any of the above), and any other sort of title/text that is made to appear or not by programs that handle such choices (such as flash).

                  • 6. Re: Premiere Pro Metadata (Speech) into Encore (Subtitles)???
                    tinfanide Community Member

                    Finally have done something...

                    Successful in making an interactive video that is

                    1. searchable (metadata supported)

                    2. subtitle on/off

                     

                    Indeed the subtitle is not made manually in Encore (just too clumsy doing so in Encore where it is not worth the hassle)

                    I use SubtitleEdit to manually type each line of the subtitle

                    save it as Encore txt (w)

                    import it into Encore

                     

                    This makes the product I wanted.

                    But just one problem left for me:

                     

                    How can I make use of the speech analysis metadata and turn it into subtitle that is divided meaningful into timecodes? As I said,

                    metadata treats every word as ONE cuepoint. It still takes a human to manually process from which cuepoint to which cuepoint that makes a meaningful line of subtitle.

                    • 7. Re: Premiere Pro Metadata (Speech) into Encore (Subtitles)???
                      tinfanide Community Member

                      Yes, maybe just a newbie in the field of video editing

                      no idea of what terms I've been using wrong

                       

                      My goal is to have online videos searchable.

                      The searchable functionality is activated by Encore (build flash). No problem with that. Can search the metadata for specific words that bring users to the timecodes.

                      Another goal is to make the videos have closed captioning (I mean on the player menu users can turn on or off the subtitle)

                      This can be done in Encore too. Yet one thing missing is that we have to import a script text into Encore subtitle layer.

                      That means we cannot use the metadata in Premiere Pro and we have to manually type the scripts and save them as an Encore TXT file before importing into Encore

                      I just wonder if we can make use of the Speech Analysis functionality in Premiere Pro and based on the metadata make a script text as subtitle.

                      If it was possible, it would save us much time manually listening to tracks and typing the subtitle in front of a computer.

                       

                      One thing I could think of as a user, not a developer (if I were, I would spend many nights making a program doing so) the idea of making use of cuepoints

                      Cuepoints treat each word  in the metadata as an unit and in the XML file, we may add in a pair of tag within each cuepoint tag, called "group"

                       

                      <group>1</group>

                       

                      For cuepoint that has the same group number, assign a timeslot for that group. (00:01:00 -> 00:03:00)

                      This clusters a group of cuepoints as a meaningful line of subtitle and

                      this can actualise what I wanted

                      I just wonder if there's any software doing this job

                      SubtitleEdit cannot

                      it cannot process a Soundbooth cuepoint XML file