16 Replies Latest reply on Dec 28, 2011 11:59 AM by bbob604

    Panasonic and Elemets 10

    imhal

      I am looking into purchasing a Panasonc SD800K camcorder. I just started with Elelemts 10.  I have read here and

      other places that the 1080P is a special Panasonic deal.  Will this camcorder work with the Elements 10?  Will I be able to use the 1080P , if not what options do I have using that camcorder?

      Thank You 

        Hal

        • 1. Re: Panasonic and Elemets 10
          John T Smith Adobe Community Professional & MVP

          >what options do I have using that camcorder?

           

          A quick Google led to the company site http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/HDC-SD800K?t=specs

           

          If you have problems with one setting, simply use a different setting that is not a problem

           

          Recording Mode 1080/60p (28Mbps/VBR),(1920x1080)
          HA(17Mbps/VBR),(1920x1080)
          HG(13Mbps/VBR),(1920x1080)
          HX(9Mbps/VBR),(1920x1080)
          HE(5Mbps/VBR),(1920x1080)
          Compression (Recording Format) 1080 / 60p : MPEG-4 AVC/H.264 (original format)
          HA / HG / HX / HE : MPEG-4 AVC/H.264 (AVCHD standard compliant)
          • 2. Re: Panasonic and Elemets 10
            imhal Level 1

            sorry . just do not undersatnd the options.  I have for years used Adobe Premerier 5.1 and a Sony Digital 8 camcorder , and the  way to edit was with AVI files and save to the DV format.  So would I use  the MPEG4 AVC/H.264 (AVCHD standard compliant). Is that 1080p ?   I am for now going to burn to DVD.  

            Also do you know where I can get info to understand all this compression options?

              Thank You much

               Hal

            • 3. Re: Panasonic and Elemets 10
              Steve Grisetti Adobe Community Professional

              As John says and his post indicates, your camcorder can shoot in at least four different formats. We can't advise you until we know which format you are shooting your video in.

               

              By the way, Premiere Elements does not support 60p. So, if you're shootingin 60p, you've got a whole other challenge.

              • 4. Re: Panasonic and Elemets 10
                imhal Level 1

                guess maybe i did not make myself too clear and what I really need to know is if I purchase this camcorder will i be able to edit using Elements 10.  looks like i will use one of the AVCHD such as HA(17Mbps/VBR),(1920x1080). sorry but i do not know a that much about these and I do not want to get a camcorder that i cannot edit using Elements 10.   by the way when i see the HA(17Mbps/VBR),(1920x1080) is that 1920x1080 1920x1080i?

                Thank you for your patience

                 

                Hal

                • 5. Re: Panasonic and Elemets 10
                  Steve Grisetti Adobe Community Professional

                  Do not purchase a camcorder that shoots only in 60p! As I've said, you will not be able to edit this video in Premiere Elements.

                   

                  If your camcorder shoots in multi-format, as this one does, make sure that it is capable in shooting in standard 60i and 30i video.

                  • 6. Re: Panasonic and Elemets 10
                    John T Smith Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                    >if I purchase this camcorder (Panasonc SD800K)

                     

                    Please post a new message with a better title, such as...

                     

                    Anyone here use a Panasonc SD800K camera?

                     

                    That way, IF there is someone on the forum with actual experience, they will be able to answer your question with that experience... not just someone reading at the vendor web site

                     

                    I certainly don't know anything other than what it says on the Panasonic site... and since Steve very literally wrote the book about using Premiere Elements, I will guess he has no experience with that camera, or he would give specific informaion on how to configure the camera to work with PrEL10

                     

                    • 7. Re: Panasonic and Elemets 10
                      Steve Grisetti Adobe Community Professional

                      If you can't find someone here, it may be worth posting this question to the Community Forum of Premiere Elements support site http://Muvipix.com.

                       

                      There are folks there who use a much wider range of camcorders than on this forum, and they could certainly give you more specific advise.

                      • 8. Re: Panasonic and Elemets 10
                        imhal Level 1

                        Thanks for all the info, whew.  I did go to the Muvipix site and now I have more concerns.  I have a Intel Core2 Duo ,2.00  ghz CPU with 4 gig memory.  It looks like this is not the system to use to edit AVCHD.   The Panasonic is either 1080p or AVCHD, neither of which I want, and I thank you for that info.  

                        I have been doing movies since the Super 8 days , all I want to do is make quality movies, which is why I want to get a good camcorder and why I choose Elements 10.  You also said in Muvipix , that in your opinion Canon and Sony are your choice ahead of the Panasonics.  The main reason I choose to look at the Panasonic was the 3 sensors for the video.  I assumed this would produce sharper images,

                        Again folks , thank you for your patience and please feel free to comment or throw your 2 cents in, its worth more than 2 cents

                          Hal

                        • 9. Re: Panasonic and Elemets 10
                          John T Smith Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                          The Hardware forum is where to start reading about a computer to edit AVCHD video http://forums.adobe.com/community/premiere/hardware_forum

                           

                          Also, Some ideas for a Desktop Video Editing PC
                          http://www.adkvideoediting.com/
                          -and http://forums.adobe.com/thread/877201

                           

                          This message has a really good graphic about requirements - aimed at CS5, but requirements by file type are pretty clear
                          CS5 Requirements http://forums.adobe.com/thread/810750

                          • 10. Re: Panasonic and Elemets 10
                            imhal Level 1

                            A quick question , in the other forum you mentioned editting with Elements and a Core2 Duo processor would be fustrating , is this because it will not function correctly when using AVCHD files or due to the speed would  funtion slowly when using AVCHD files

                            Thank You

                              Hal

                            • 11. Re: Panasonic and Elemets 10
                              John T Smith Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                              AVCHD is about the same SIZE as the older DV AVI files from a tape based camera... at the expensive of needing a MUCH more powerful CPU to be able to "effectively" decode the compression that is used

                               

                              An Intel i7 2600 - with appropriate motherboard and at least 8gig of Ram and Windows 7 64bit and the 64bit version of Premiere Elements 10 and a minimum of two 7200rpm hard drives is what you should have

                              • 12. Re: Panasonic and Elemets 10
                                imhal Level 1

                                Please understand, this is a hobby for me , something I have been doing forever.  The computer I have listed above is what I will be running Elements on.  I did look up the system requirements before purchasing Elements and my system did meet these requirements. All I need now is a better camcorder than the one I have, its at least 10 years old and worn out.  The one I was looking at ,the Panasonic SD800K looks like it will not work if I cannot use the AVCHD files with it.  This is disappointing as my system meets the system requirements.  I do not require lightning speed to do my editting, I was running a P2-500 before I got this computer,,That said I need to find a camcorder that will work with elements 10 and my system.  Any pointing me in this direction wil be appreciated.

                                Thank You  Hal

                                • 13. Re: Panasonic and Elemets 10
                                  Steve Grisetti Adobe Community Professional

                                  Unfortunately, those minimum specs on the box are for minimal editing. They're fine if you're editing video from a miniDV camcorder.

                                   

                                  But if you plan to edit hi-def -- particularly AVCHD -- I think you're going to find a dual-core 2.0 ghz processor pretty frustrating.

                                   

                                  Athough I'm not sure how deep an editing experience you're looking for. If you're just going to edit short 5 minute pieces without a lot of effects, you may be fine. But if you plan to create hi-def videos of more than 10 minutes, that dual-core processor is going to leave you often waiting for the computer to catch up with your editing commands.

                                   

                                  Are you sold on hi-def video? If so, you may want to look into tape-based HDV video. It's hard to find these camcorders because they've sort of fallen out of favor for some reason. But they produce state of the art, near broadcast quality hi-def video, every bit as good as any AVCHD camcorder. And they take a lot less power to edit.

                                   

                                  If you're not sold on hi-def video, standard def, tape-based miniDV is still the champ, as far as I'm concerned. It works on almost any computer system and it works with virtually any video editor -- and the DVDs you produce from it look as good as the original video.

                                   

                                  So you do have options. You just have to decide if the stress of waiting for your computer to catch up with you is worth the excitement of a hot, new AVCHD camcorder. (Though in any event, I urge you NOT to go with the SD800K because it only shoots in 60p. 60p can pretty much only be edited successfully on professional editing software. Find a camcorder that at least gives you the option to shoot in 60i/30i interlaced frames. It will save you a lot of headaches later.)

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                                  • 14. Re: Panasonic and Elemets 10
                                    imhal Level 1

                                    Thanks Steve, this is quality info and I can decide exacty what i want to do next. If my Digital 8 camcorder was not in such bad shape I would most likey stay with it , though a new camcorder with updated features such as 16x9 and good optical stabization would be great.  I have looked at a list of camcorders in VideoMaker and the options for anything other that 1080p and AVCHD are small , so I will have to look hard for the one I can use.  I had used Premiere 5.1 for ages and am hoping I will be as happy with Elements.

                                    • 15. Re: Panasonic and Elemets 10
                                      John T Smith Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                      >computer I have

                                       

                                      If all you can find is an AVCHD camera, and you will want to edit more than a few minutes at a time, another option is to convert the AVCHD to DV AVI for SD editing or HDV for HD editing... of course, HDV would mean you want to write a BluRay disc, so converting to DV AVI is best if you are going to create a DVD

                                       

                                      I have NO idea which, if any, of the programs below will convert AVCHD to DV AVI (or HDV) but clicking links and reading is free

                                       

                                      Convert AVCHD to HDV http://forums.adobe.com/thread/390605
                                      or use Cineform Neo Scene http://www.cineform.com/neoscene/
                                      Tools to Convert to DV-AVI http://forums.adobe.com/thread/415317
                                      Convert http://premierepro.wikia.com/wiki/FAQ:How_do_I_convert_my_files%3F
                                      Convert your files to DV-AVI Type II with 48KHz 16-bit Audio
                                      As well as the links just above, use Google to find conversion software
                                      http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite/us/en/Product/1175714228541#tabview=tab0
                                      http://www.womble.com/products/mvw.html
                                      http://www.magix.com/us/movie-edit-pro/ plus $5 Ship
                                      http://www.nchsoftware.com/prism/index.html
                                      http://www.videoredo.com/en/index.htm
                                      http://www.nchsoftware.com/prism/index.html Converter
                                      http://www.daniusoft.com/media-converter-ultimate.html
                                      http://www.deskshare.com/dmc.aspx Digital Media Converter
                                      http://www.any-dvd-ripper.com/any-dvd-ripper-windows.html
                                      http://www.deskshare.com/dvd-ripping-software.aspx
                                      http://www.dvdcopysoftware-reviews.com/dvd-cloner/
                                      http://www.topsoftwareol.com/product/Video/Video_Converter_Standard.html
                                      http://www.erightsoft.com/SUPER.html Multi-Converter <-- supposed to be very good
                                      http://download.cnet.com/FreeStar-Free-Video-Converter/3000-2194_4-10854990.html
                                      http://www.dvddecrypter.org.uk/ or http://www.mrbass.org/dvdrip/
                                      http://www.flaskmpeg.net/download.php Mpeg to AVI Converter
                                      http://www.squared5.com/ MPEG Streamclip Converter
                                      http://www.virtualdub.org/ Mpeg to AVI Converter
                                      http://www.sothinkmedia.com/video-converter/

                                      Do remember that two hard drives are really the minimum requirement... I use 3

                                      My 3 hard drives are configured as...
                                      1 - 320Gig Boot for Win7 64bit Pro and all program installs
                                      2 - 320Gig data for Win7 swap file and video project files
                                      When I create a project on #2 drive, the various work files follow,
                                      so my boot drive is not used for the media cache folder and files
                                      3 - 1Terabyte data for all video files... input & output files (*)
                                      (*) for 4 drives, drive 3 all source files & drive 4 all output files
                                      .
                                      Search Microsoft to find out how to redirect your Windows swap file
                                      http://search.microsoft.com/search.aspx?mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US

                                      • 16. Re: Panasonic and Elemets 10
                                        bbob604

                                        imhal:

                                         

                                        let me chime in.   My circumstance is similar to yours.   I have a Panasonic TM55 Camcorder purchased 2 years ago and record in AVCHD1.  I record in 13Mbps 1080p30i using a Core2 duo T6600 2.2 Ghz laptop windows 7 x32 bit 4 gig RAM which is 2 years old using PREL7.

                                         

                                        My workflow is such that I have to use a video convertor to convert to AVI 720p, and I usually downsize bitrate to 8Mbps for YouTube.  I have not had any problems with simple videos up to 45 minutes.  These include titles, transitions etc.   I have even done Picture in Picture and stills mixed with video.   I use output from Lumix ZS3 (AVCHD lite), GoProHD 720p60, and Canon dSLR 1080p and Sony NEX 5n 1080p30 (AVCHD1)

                                         

                                        However when I tried to use the RAW clips natively using PREL7 on an 18 minute project recently, my computer chocked with "low resource errors" and shut down numerous times.  If you do the conversions first your files will be smaller and you should not have problems with small projects of perhaps up to 10-20 minutes or so.

                                         

                                        I'd say,  go for the Camcorder, I hear it produces stunning Video.   Just don't use the 60p option.

                                         

                                        bob