10 Replies Latest reply: Jan 5, 2012 10:35 AM by able123 RSS

    Rendering/memory issues

    mentalcase129 Community Member

      I'm rendering out a feature lengthed animated project from Adobe Premiere CS3 and I'm having trouble.  It's a lengthy project, about and hour 24 minutes...I keep getting a message saying that Premiere has run out of memory(or something to that effect) and the render is cancelled.  This doesn't happen until it's almost finished rendering however and I'm continually freeing up more space on the computer but with no success.  I'm rendering a quicktime movie with mpeg-4 compression, I have 198 gigs of free space on my C drive where the project is being worked on, but I've been rendering the video file to my external drive which has 2 terabytes of free space.  I've also optimized the render for 'memory' as suggested by the error message I get when the render cancelled.

      I need to either figure out a way to allocate my computers ram or something that so that more computer power is focused on premiere during the render (I'm not a computer whiz by any stretch so sorry if I'm using bad terminology but hopefully you know what I mean, I was taught something similar in school years ago but I don't remember how it was done.)

      OR maybe a different compression option would solve the problem too.  I've been sticking with quicktime mpeg-4 because on most occassions I find I have the most success with that but maybe now that I'm rendering the completed project I need something else to account for it's size.  Ultimately I'll be burning this on DVD and would like the best quality I can pull off...but it would also be great to be able to properly play the video off my desktop as well so that I can watch it and potentially make any tweaks it may need before wasting a DVD.

        • 1. Re: Rendering/memory issues
          Community Member

          Hiya,

          There are threads here about optimizing computer ( ram, hard drives etc ) for using the computer for " editing " ( including exports etc ).  Basically the processes for editing and exporting etc put a very big demand on the computer's resources.

          How much ram do you have ? I use cs3 with windows XP with 4 gig ram ( windows sees about 3.25 gig of that 4 gig )...so I am maxed out on the amount of ram I can add and use on this computer.

           

          If I went to a 64 bit OS and upgraded to cs5 I would use a lot more ram then...but I'm not ready to do that yet.

           

          cs3 is a 32 bit program, so you are limited to the amount of ram it can use, so you should max out to the most ram ( typically 4 gig to eek out all you can ).

           

          Once you do that you should be OK ( plus tune up computer, hard drives etc , as per threads here about how to do that )

          It takes a lot of work to get computer set up right but once its done you'll at least eliminate THAT as a source of your problem... know what I mean ??

           

          For dvd you'll want to export mpeg 2 dvd and have separate sound file ( dont know if you're going straight to encore ? ).. which may or may not work OK with ram you have installed.

           

          One workaround ( maybe ) for you the way things stand currently ..for the file you want to view on computer.... is to split your export into 2 parts and export them as AVI files, and then join those two avi files using VirtualDub or mpeg streamclip ( I forget which one, both free ).. ... you can google " splitting and joining AVI files " and get info about that...when you find that info on google you'll see you set video to live streaming I think...( and audio ). Theres probably a thread about it here somewhere...

           

          Jeff Bellune gives tutorials on frameserving from cs3 too.. which might be another workaround...

           

          hard to tell as I have no idea how your ram situation or anything about your computer.

           

          good luck !

           

           

          ps.. you can use re-writable dvd's so you dont waste any on testing.

          • 2. Re: Rendering/memory issues
            JSS1138 CommunityMVP

            To the best of my knowledge, this was an error whose finite cause was never located or corrected in CS3.

             

            You may need to upgrade.

            • 3. Re: Rendering/memory issues
              mentalcase129 Community Member

              Thanks...would you be able to point me towards some of these threads about optimizing?  I've been searching but not having much luck.  If you've read them before you might know a better way to search.

              • 4. Re: Rendering/memory issues
                Community Member

                let us know what your computer specs are first...no sense spending time if you have 1 gig ram and so on... tell us what you have OK ?

                also let us know what you source files are.. the more specs you provide the more people get idea how to help.

                • 5. Re: Rendering/memory issues
                  mentalcase129 Community Member

                  I'm using Intel Core2 Duo CPU E8400 @ 3.00GHz, 3.2GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GTS and I have 199GB of free space on my hard drive.  I've also been rendering to an external drive with 1.36 TB of free space.

                  • 6. Re: Rendering/memory issues
                    Community Member

                    sounds like you should have no problem with SD material ...dont know about HD.. dont know what your source material is...

                     

                    Jim said something about some known issue...

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                    To the best of my knowledge, this was an error whose finite cause was never located or corrected in CS3.

                     

                    You may need to upgrade.

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                    maybe he can elaborate on that.. ??

                     

                    maybe try other options re: export as 2 avi files and joining them in virtualDub ( or streamclip..cant remember which one does it .. google will tell you )

                     

                    have you tried exporting mpeg 2 dvd yet ??

                    • 7. Re: Rendering/memory issues
                      JSS1138 CommunityMVP

                      maybe he can elaborate on that.. ??

                       

                      There were a LOT of people having this issue with CS3.  I don't believe a definite cause or solution were ever located.  When CS4 was released, the problem was no longer prevalent.

                      • 8. Re: Rendering/memory issues
                        Bill Hunt CommunityMVP

                        You might want to pour over this ARTICLE for some tips on tuning up your system, and cleaning up non-essential programs and processes, that load upon bootup. Be sure to see the links in that article, and if you have Win7, be sure to see Black Viper's TuneUp site.

                         

                        You mention "my hard drive," and then an external HDD. What is the complete I/O sub-system? This ARTICLE might be helpful.

                         

                        My guess would be that your Windows Virtual Memory (Page File) might be part of the issue, unless it is that problem with CS3, that Jim alludes to.

                         

                        If you are using the external HDD to edit to/from, then this ARTICLE might be useful.

                         

                        Good luck,

                         

                        Hunt

                        • 9. Re: Rendering/memory issues
                          mentalcase129 Community Member

                          I'll look into those articles, maybe that will help more.

                          I was finally able to get it to work by rendering it to Encore...which was helpfull at least in giving me a video file that I can watch and make notes on for tweaks etc.  The image quality wasn't very good at all though...I can tinker more with the settings with that method and see how that works but I think idealy I'd be able to render a good resolution video and then burn it from that so that I can have a bit more control over the compression...I'm told when you render to encore you're essentially compressing the video twice.

                           

                          If the problem is simply a CS3 glitch than I could maybe upgrade but would my current computer stats still work with the newer version?  able123 mentions that upgrading to CS5 would use more RAM.

                          • 10. Re: Rendering/memory issues
                            Community Member

                            If you're burning a DVD ( which is standard definition ) from HD material then you are downsizing to that SD size ( which means manipulating the source material to sd size ( possibly going from progressive to interlaced as well ) )

                             

                            to fit the Time ( byte count ) on the DVD it tries (encore) to basically determine the amount of compression needed to fit it on the DVD.. the more you try to stuff on the DVD the more compression... but generally THAT final DVD file ( as vob files on disc ) is for WATCHING only.. ( no longer good for editing anymore ) and is pretty good quality... though some programs deal with doing that better than others.. and there are a lot of variables ( like what the source material is etc )

                             

                            If you watch a commercial DVD on your TV they are generally really good quality, for an 1.5 hour movie... so theoretically you shouldnt have a problem doing what you want.

                             

                            The more you know about whats going on , the more you can tweak your projects to get the best results. The guys that do commercial work ( make the dvd of movies ).. are very good at this stuff.. like engineers etc. There's no way to just press buttons and hope for the best product and actually GET the best... you have to know whats going on a bit... so the more you study and read up and so on.. the better you will get at it.

                             

                            There are bit rate calculators online ( free to use ) to help you make some decisions about the compression if you want to do it yourself as mpeg 2 dvd export...

                             

                            there's so many different things you can ' do ' that its impossible to cover everything in one thread...

                             

                            due to some of the " trial and error " tests done by people here over the years there's a lot of good threads to read about this stuff.

                             

                            good luck !

                             

                            oh... about upgrade.. you'd be going from a 32 bit program to a 64 bit program... and a 64 bit OS... so your motherboard and 64 bit programs will be able to support a lot more ram... you can read up on that a bit .. like look into hardware forum and see what computers people are using now for the newest version...