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1. Re: Burns at the wrong size
Stan Jones Feb 9, 2012 8:58 PM (in response to mentalcase129)I assume you mean 1280x720, and yes, generally it is better to give Encore the correct pixel size when you are doing DVD (rather than Bluray). The DVD player/TV combo handles adding letter boxing. So, assuming NTSC, you want to export using the 720x480 widescreen MPEG2-DVD from Premiere.
You can look at the settings in Encore. Is it being interpreted correctly as widescreen?
Are you sure you have your player and TV set correctly? You could have a correct disk and get odd results if the player is set wrong.
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2. Re: Burns at the wrong size
mentalcase129 Feb 10, 2012 8:56 AM (in response to Stan Jones)Ya, Encore seems to be interpretting it correctly, like I said it looks right in preview mode. And it's not the TV either, I double checked that as well. It's not that it's been cropped into fullscreen, it's still widescreen, it's just that the edges have been cut off. It's like the image was enlarged and then cropped back down to 1280x720.
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3. Re: Burns at the wrong size
mentalcase129 Feb 21, 2012 1:12 PM (in response to mentalcase129)okay, so I rerendered the film from premiere to fit into a 720x480 frame like you said...which took longer than it should for a few different reasons...and just tried burning it again but I'm having the same trouble. In fact I think it's worse, the letter box isn't big enough at top and bottom...so not only are the edges cut just like I described earlier but I can't even set it to widescreen mode on the TV without cutting off even more of the image than has already been cut when it burned. I have to assume that it's the result of a setting in Encore. I don't use Encore a lot so this is very plausible but I'm not sure what...it seems all correct as far as I can tell but there must be something wrong. With the problem that I've described what project setting could be related to it and what should it be set at?
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4. Re: Burns at the wrong size
Stan Jones Feb 21, 2012 6:56 PM (in response to mentalcase129)Please post screenshots of your PR project settings and the mediainfo results of your source.
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5. Re: Burns at the wrong size
mentalcase129 Feb 23, 2012 1:24 PM (in response to Stan Jones)Okay here's screen captures of project settings from premiere and Encore and the stats of the film's source file as read by encore. I've tried mpeg-2 like you suggested as well as quicktime files, both rendered at 1280x720 and reformatted by encore and reformatted myself in premiere and rendered at 720x480(both of which methods I've had success with in the past). The stats I've posted here are from the mpeg-2 version, which seems like it should be the one to work. I wanna reiterate too that in every version I've tried, it's worked in the preview, just not on the final disk.
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6. Re: Burns at the wrong size
Stan Jones Feb 23, 2012 4:20 PM (in response to mentalcase129)Your PR project is in square pixels. Isn't going to work. I'll try to write more later, but unreliable internet connection.
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7. Re: Burns at the wrong size
JSS1138 Feb 25, 2012 8:33 AM (in response to mentalcase129)screen captures of project settings from premiere and Encore
Actually, the export settings you used from Premiere Pro will be more informative that these. Can you post that screnshot?
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9. Re: Burns at the wrong size
JSS1138 Feb 25, 2012 3:01 PM (in response to mentalcase129)OK. I see the problem now.
What kind of media are you using in Premiere Pro? List the specifications.
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10. Re: Burns at the wrong size
Neil Wilkes Feb 26, 2012 8:49 AM (in response to mentalcase129)I think there are several errors here.
The first one is that your Premiere project settings are at 720x480 in square pixels with Lower Field First interlaced.
This is not going to work, as Jim points out above.
If you really need 24p video in Encore, then you need settings to match, so your premiere settings need to be at 1280x720 progressive scan.
When you render out of Premiere, this needs to be set to 24p DVD settings, which are 720x480 Widescreen, as you have already got.
The changes I would make there are to bump the quality from 4 to 5 as you are scaling the output, and to increase the minimum bitrate from 1.5 Mbps to 2Mbps.
What version of Premiere are you using?
In CS5.5 there is a way to make the sequence match the source file by importing the asset & dropping it into a new sequence using the icon at the bottom of the project assets list.
This should then create a sequence that matches your source files, and then you can render out to the 24p DVD option.
One more (little) thing - drop the non alphanumeric characters in the resulting M2V file as well - Encore doesn't like them.
It's always for the best to use strictly alphanumeric characters in all assets for use in DVD, especially Sonic products, and Encore uses a Sonic authorcore.
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11. Re: Burns at the wrong size
mentalcase129 Feb 27, 2012 8:56 AM (in response to Neil Wilkes)Okay, I'd been doing a lot of experimenting and those project setting may not be the most accurate. Due to a rendering problem that I have since fixed I was originally rendering the film in 5 parts (movs) and putting them back together in a new premiere file but I've solved the problem now it seems and I'm rendering from the original project. So here's screen captures of the new project settings as well as the build settings from Encore.
And here's a screen comparison of what the film should look like and what it looks like when it's burned. It looks correct in every interation on the computer, including the DVD preview in Encore, but when it's burned it's cropped weird.
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12. Re: Burns at the wrong size
Neil Wilkes Feb 27, 2012 9:05 AM (in response to mentalcase129)How is the footage interpreted in Encore?
What settings did you use to render out of Premiere Pro?
It should be MPEG-2, DVD NTSC Widescreen. Also be very careful about the 24p settings, as you should use 23.976 for DVD with a pull applied.
The Adobe Media Encoder can do this - I will look out the settings we used when we did this last year.
You also need to be certain your Pixel Aspect Ratio is correct - when exporting from Premiere, before you hit the GO button carefully check the source & output views to be certain what you are rendering is the correct size and shape.
It is also possible - you do not mention what TV set you are playing the DVD on - that you are getting an overscan issue here.
A lot of those titles are well outside not only Action Safe but also Title safe settings.
Eable these in the Encore preview and adjust accordingly.
Please also remember that most HD footage is not subject to overscanning losses in the same way that SD DVD is......I might be mistaken on this, but I am fairly sure overscanning is not an issue in HD footage. You are starting with HD at 24p, and going to DVD which will require correct scaling and getting the framerate correct.
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13. Re: Burns at the wrong size
mentalcase129 Feb 27, 2012 2:13 PM (in response to Neil Wilkes)Here's a screen cap of the footage stats as seen by Encore.
My render settings from Premiere match your suggestions...they're the same as the screen cap I did of the mpeg encoder settings a while back but with adjustments to the quality and bitrate as per your suggestions. The footage plays and looks fine in the preview mode of Encore, no cropping at all, it's not until it's burned that the cropping occurs. It's also not a result of the TV either, I played the DVD on the computer to be extra sure and didn't even put it in fullscreen, it's still cropped. The titles in the sample shot I showed are definately a little closer to the edge than they should be and I'll fix that to be safe but it still seems to be cropping much more than it should(keeping the titles where they are for now helps to monitor the odd cropping that's occuring). And as far as I've always known no cropping should really occur at all unless it's played on a screen with issues that would lead to it. The footage seems to fine all the way up to the burn process, I don't know why Encore would preview it correctly and then distort it when it's burned.
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14. Re: Burns at the wrong size
Ann Bens Feb 27, 2012 2:50 PM (in response to mentalcase129)How are you viewing the dvd?
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15. Re: Burns at the wrong size
mentalcase129 Feb 27, 2012 3:26 PM (in response to Ann Bens)I've viewed it on a flat screen lcd TV and I've watched it on my computer monitor(also flat screen), I've even watched it on the computer with a smaller video window(not filling the screen) the problem persists, it's not a result of how I'm watching it, it's getting cropped when it burns.
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16. Re: Burns at the wrong size
Stan Jones Feb 27, 2012 7:22 PM (in response to mentalcase129)I'm not convinced that you don't have a TV/DVD issue, but the cropping is pretty pronounced for an LCD TV. Software players often do not display aspect ratios correctly. And "full screen" is only relevant for comparing appearance if the native screen resolution is your target.
But I wonder if you need to clear your cache from the earlier attempts where the PR SD project was set to square pixels. I would export (from your new PR project and using your current export settings) a short (say 30 seconds to 1 minute) section that shows the issues. Create a brand new Encore project, and import as timeline. You don't need a menu. Burn that and compare.
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17. Re: Burns at the wrong size
mentalcase129 Feb 27, 2012 10:22 PM (in response to Stan Jones)I just rememered another note that should be considered. I previously rendered this exact same project with the exact same project settings as they are now directly to encore and DVD...when I did that the image was not cropped, it was exactly as it should be. I was unhappy with the picture quality of rendering in this method but the cropping problem did not occur. This tells me that the cropping problem can be fixed...the question is at what point is the problem occuring. I'm assuming it's related to a setting Encore, but I don't know.
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18. Re: Burns at the wrong size
Ann Bens Feb 28, 2012 3:28 AM (in response to mentalcase129)What does the preview in Encore show?
What does the Interprete footage say in Encore for the file?
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19. Re: Burns at the wrong size
Neil Wilkes Feb 29, 2012 12:31 AM (in response to Stan Jones)Stan Jones wrote:
I'm not convinced that you don't have a TV/DVD issue, but the cropping is pretty pronounced for an LCD TV. Software players often do not display aspect ratios correctly. And "full screen" is only relevant for comparing appearance if the native screen resolution is your target.
But I wonder if you need to clear your cache from the earlier attempts where the PR SD project was set to square pixels. I would export (from your new PR project and using your current export settings) a short (say 30 seconds to 1 minute) section that shows the issues. Create a brand new Encore project, and import as timeline. You don't need a menu. Burn that and compare.
Not a bad point, Stan.
We have a Sharp Aquos, and it is remarkably easy to get it to display at the wrong aspect ratios......definitely worth a check.
I'd also like to know the answer to Ann's questions above









