15 Replies Latest reply on May 25, 2008 2:55 AM by Newsgroup_User

    Photoshop filters in Fireworks?

    Prajnaparamita Level 1
      Dear sirs
      I installed the trial version of Fireworks cs3 and Photoshop cs3. I set the plugin>filters folder in the preference folders panel, i restarted Fireworks buto no new filter appears. Why? Maybe the trial versions don't allow this?
      Thx in advance for your replies
        • 1. Re: Photoshop filters in Fireworks?
          Level 7
          Prajnaparamita wrote:
          > Dear sirs
          > I installed the trial version of Fireworks cs3 and Photoshop cs3. I set the
          > plugin>filters folder in the preference folders panel, i restarted Fireworks
          > buto no new filter appears. Why? Maybe the trial versions don't allow this?
          > Thx in advance for your replies

          There shouldn't be a problem. Which plugin's do you have?

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          • 2. Re: Photoshop filters in Fireworks?
            Photoshop filters are made for photoshop , and its impossible to use them in fireworks
            as they are made for different jobs
            see :
            http://prisonerblogger.com/2008/05/review-macromedia-adobe-fireworks/
            • 3. Re: Photoshop filters in Fireworks?
              Prajnaparamita Level 1
              I meant right the Photoshop filters. If it is impossible to use them it's ok.
              Thanks to you both and bye
              • 4. Re: Photoshop filters in Fireworks?
                Level 7
                Prajnaparamita wrote:
                > I meant right the Photoshop filters. If it is impossible to use them it's ok.
                > Thanks to you both and bye

                Only filters from PS 5.5 or lower will work with FW so far. However,
                there are many other third party filters out there which will work with fw.

                You might want to check out this article on CMX which lists several
                third party options:

                http://www.communitymx.com/abstract.cfm?cid=48D51

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                • 5. Re: Photoshop filters in Fireworks?
                  Level 7
                  On Thu, 22 May 2008 08:21:29 +0400, Jim Babbage .:CMX:. & .:Adobe
                  Community Expert:. <jbabbage@newmediaservices.ca> wrote:

                  > Only filters from PS 5.5 or lower will work with FW so far.

                  BTW I remember that some times ago we discovered that PS 5 plugins do not
                  work correctly with FW MX, although they do work with FW 4. I don't have
                  CS3 so I don't know whether this issue was fixed or not. Did anybody
                  retest it with CS3?

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                  • 6. Re: Photoshop filters in Fireworks?
                    Level 7
                    Ilya Razmanov wrote:
                    > On Thu, 22 May 2008 08:21:29 +0400, Jim Babbage .:CMX:. & .:Adobe
                    > Community Expert:. <jbabbage@newmediaservices.ca> wrote:
                    >
                    >> Only filters from PS 5.5 or lower will work with FW so far.
                    >
                    > BTW I remember that some times ago we discovered that PS 5 plugins do
                    > not work correctly with FW MX, although they do work with FW 4. I don't
                    > have CS3 so I don't know whether this issue was fixed or not. Did
                    > anybody retest it with CS3?
                    >

                    Most of them work fine for me. You just have to edit the
                    disabled_plugins text file.

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                    • 7. Re: Photoshop filters in Fireworks?
                      SiamJai Level 2
                      quote:

                      You might want to check out this article on CMX which lists several
                      third party options:

                      http://www.communitymx.com/abstract.cfm?cid=48D51



                      Jim, thanks for referring to that informative CMX article! I didn't know that Fireworks has such a limited range of 3rd-party plugins, although I find Alien Skin stuff adequate for just about everything. :-)

                      I've noticed a few errors in the article (typos, a dead link, etc.), so I was looking for a way to contact the author (Kim Cavanaugh), but I can't find that info on the site. Could you please help me with that?

                      Thanks! :-)



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                      • 8. Re: Photoshop filters in Fireworks?
                        Level 7
                        On Sat, 24 May 2008 07:45:10 +0400, SiamJai <webforumsuser@macromedia.com>
                        wrote:

                        > I didn't know thatFireworks has such a limited range of 3rd-party
                        > plugins, although I find Alien
                        > Skin stuff adequate for just about everything. :-)

                        I'm not sure that I understand the statement about "limited range of
                        3rd-party plugins" right. Well, at some point some of third party plugins
                        (from Alien Skin) were included into Fireworks distribution. Of course
                        this set is "limited" (you don't expect FW distribution to include all and
                        every plugin, don't you?). Well, this article lists a limited set of
                        plugins, but then again, I beleive you don't expect a short article to
                        include the full list of all the plugins in the world. In fact, the link
                        to "the plugin site" created by Harald Heim will lead you to at least a
                        thousand of plugins, if you spend some time browsing links and forum on
                        this site.

                        Other than that, Fireworks is pretty much compatible with most of third
                        party plugins (there are exclusions, but they are quite rare). I beleive
                        the total number of FW-compatible third party plugins is about a thousand,
                        or probably more. I would't call this "limited".

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                        • 9. Re: Photoshop filters in Fireworks?
                          Level 7
                          On Fri, 23 May 2008 21:00:25 +0400, Jim Babbage .:CMX:. & .:Adobe
                          Community Expert:. <jbabbage@newmediaservices.ca> wrote:


                          > Most of them work fine for me. You just have to edit the
                          > disabled_plugins text file.

                          Thank you, this is valuable info. Sounds like they finally fixed the
                          problem introduced in MX version.

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                          • 10. Re: Photoshop filters in Fireworks?
                            SiamJai Level 2
                            quote:

                            Originally posted by: Newsgroup User
                            On Sat, 24 May 2008 07:45:10 +0400, SiamJai <webforumsuser@macromedia.com>
                            wrote:

                            > I didn't know thatFireworks has such a limited range of 3rd-party
                            > plugins, although I find Alien
                            > Skin stuff adequate for just about everything. :-)

                            I'm not sure that I understand the statement about "limited range of
                            3rd-party plugins" right. Well, at some point some of third party plugins
                            (from Alien Skin) were included into Fireworks distribution. Of course
                            this set is "limited" (you don't expect FW distribution to include all and
                            every plugin, don't you?). Well, this article lists a limited set of
                            plugins, but then again, I beleive you don't expect a short article to
                            include the full list of all the plugins in the world. In fact, the link
                            to "the plugin site" created by Harald Heim will lead you to at least a
                            thousand of plugins, if you spend some time browsing links and forum on
                            this site.

                            Other than that, Fireworks is pretty much compatible with most of third
                            party plugins (there are exclusions, but they are quite rare). I beleive
                            the total number of FW-compatible third party plugins is about a thousand,
                            or probably more. I would't call this "limited".


                            Chill down, Ilya, I'm not complaining. :-) I'm afraid you misunderstood, so let me emphasize that I'm quite content with the currently available Fireworks plugins. In fact, I'm quite happy to know that there are so many of them! :-)

                            When I say that the plugins' range is limited, I refer to the following paragraph in the article:

                            " The truth is, the range of options for filters and plug-ins for Fireworks is quite limited. Part of that has to do with the way that Fireworks is coded at its most basic level, and part of it has to do with a spat with Adobe, Macromedia's rival in the world of graphics software. While you used to be able to add PhotoShop filters to Fireworks, since version 6 of PhotoShop it has not been possible to use the filters that ship with PhotoShop, or to use filters that are specifically developed for newer versions of PS."

                            I feel that Fireworks plugins' range is limited, when I have an extensive collection of the latest Photoshop plugins, but I can't use them in Fireworks because of past company feud. My options are also limited when the majority of Fireworks-compatible plugins are destructive and cannot be applied as Live Filters. Considering all this, I rely exclusively on Alien Skin products (I have nearly all of them, actually), because they overcame both limitations.

                            I hope that explained that short sentence in more detail. :-)
                            • 11. Re: Photoshop filters in Fireworks?
                              Level 7
                              SiamJai wrote:
                              >
                              quote:

                              You might want to check out this article on CMX which lists several
                              > third party options:
                              >
                              > http://www.communitymx.com/abstract.cfm?cid=48D51
                              >

                              >
                              > Jim, thanks for referring to that informative CMX article! I didn't know that
                              > Fireworks has such a limited range of 3rd-party plugins, although I find Alien
                              > Skin stuff adequate for just about everything. :-)
                              >
                              > I've noticed a few errors in the article (typos, a dead link, etc.), so I was
                              > looking for a way to contact the author (Kim Cavanaugh), but I can't find that
                              > info on the site. Could you please help me with that?
                              >
                              > Thanks! :-)
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > SiamJai
                              > ~~~~
                              > http://design.thaiwonders.com - Innovative Fireworks & Game Art Community
                              >

                              There should be a feedback form at the end of he article. That goes
                              directly to Kim

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                              • 12. Re: Photoshop filters in Fireworks?
                                Level 7
                                SiamJai wrote:
                                >
                                quote:

                                Originally posted by: Newsgroup User
                                > On Sat, 24 May 2008 07:45:10 +0400, SiamJai <webforumsuser@macromedia.com>
                                > wrote:
                                >
                                > > I didn't know thatFireworks has such a limited range of 3rd-party
                                > > plugins, although I find Alien
                                > > Skin stuff adequate for just about everything. :-)
                                >
                                > I'm not sure that I understand the statement about "limited range of
                                > 3rd-party plugins" right. Well, at some point some of third party plugins
                                > (from Alien Skin) were included into Fireworks distribution. Of course
                                > this set is "limited" (you don't expect FW distribution to include all and
                                > every plugin, don't you?). Well, this article lists a limited set of
                                > plugins, but then again, I beleive you don't expect a short article to
                                > include the full list of all the plugins in the world. In fact, the link
                                > to "the plugin site" created by Harald Heim will lead you to at least a
                                > thousand of plugins, if you spend some time browsing links and forum on
                                > this site.
                                >
                                > Other than that, Fireworks is pretty much compatible with most of third
                                > party plugins (there are exclusions, but they are quite rare). I beleive
                                > the total number of FW-compatible third party plugins is about a thousand,
                                > or probably more. I would't call this "limited".
                                >

                                > Chill down, Ilya, I'm not complaining. :-) I'm afraid you misunderstood, so
                                > let me emphasize that I'm quite content with the currently available Fireworks
                                > plugins. In fact, I'm quite happy to know that there are so many of them! :-)
                                >
                                > When I say that the plugins' range is limited, I refer to the following
                                > paragraph in the article:
                                >
                                > " The truth is, the range of options for filters and plug-ins for Fireworks
                                > is quite limited. Part of that has to do with the way that Fireworks is coded
                                > at its most basic level, and part of it has to do with a spat with Adobe,
                                > Macromedia's rival in the world of graphics software. While you used to be able
                                > to add PhotoShop filters to Fireworks, since version 6 of PhotoShop it has not
                                > been possible to use the filters that ship with PhotoShop, or to use filters
                                > that are specifically developed for newer versions of PS.
                                "
                                >
                                > I feel that Fireworks plugins' range is limited, when I have an extensive
                                > collection of the latest Photoshop plugins, but I can't use them in Fireworks
                                > because of past company feud. My options are also limited when the majority of
                                > Fireworks-compatible plugins are destructive and cannot be applied as Live
                                > Filters. Considering all this, I rely exclusively on Alien Skin products (I
                                > have nearly all of them, actually), because they overcame both limitations.
                                >
                                > I hope that explained that short sentence in more detail. :-)
                                >

                                It's not just an old feud; there are stability issues with the new
                                Filter gallery and FW. Up to 5.5, Adobe pulgins were pretty much just
                                like other third party plugins.

                                Personally, I think the whole filter gallery idea is a bit of overkill,
                                anyway, so I'm generally happy with using the old 5.5 filters, which
                                I've stubbornly held on to for years. A geek AND a pack rat - what a
                                combination. :-)

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                                • 13. Re: Photoshop filters in Fireworks?
                                  SiamJai Level 2
                                  quote:


                                  > Jim, thanks for referring to that informative CMX article! I didn't know that
                                  > Fireworks has such a limited range of 3rd-party plugins, although I find Alien
                                  > Skin stuff adequate for just about everything. :-)
                                  >
                                  > I've noticed a few errors in the article (typos, a dead link, etc.), so I was
                                  > looking for a way to contact the author (Kim Cavanaugh), but I can't find that
                                  > info on the site. Could you please help me with that?
                                  >
                                  > Thanks! :-)
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > SiamJai
                                  > ~~~~
                                  > http://design.thaiwonders.com - Innovative Fireworks & Game Art Community
                                  >

                                  There should be a feedback form at the end of he article. That goes
                                  directly to Kim


                                  Sorry Jim; I can't see that there. I'm looking at the last paragraph of the last page, and I don't see any feedback form afterwards, or any link to it. (The last link I see there is "Download Support Files".) Is it possible that only logged-in CMX members see that feedback form?



                                  quote:


                                  It's not just an old feud; there are stability issues with the new
                                  Filter gallery and FW. Up to 5.5, Adobe pulgins were pretty much just
                                  like other third party plugins.

                                  Personally, I think the whole filter gallery idea is a bit of overkill,
                                  anyway, so I'm generally happy with using the old 5.5 filters, which
                                  I've stubbornly held on to for years. A geek AND a pack rat - what a
                                  combination. :-)


                                  LOL! I know what you mean. :-) I don't easily switch from my tried-and-true workhorses either. But then there are those rare times when I learn about a really cool plugin, just to find out that it's exclusive to Photoshop... but anyway. Perhaps when Fireworks gains more recognition, more companies will be willing to write plugins that make full use of Fireworks' unique capabilities, going beyond basic compatibility to the point where they could be exclusive to Fireworks - now that would be something! ;-)
                                  • 14. Re: Photoshop filters in Fireworks?
                                    Level 7
                                    SiamJai wrote:
                                    >
                                    quote:


                                    > > Jim, thanks for referring to that informative CMX article! I didn't know
                                    > that
                                    > > Fireworks has such a limited range of 3rd-party plugins, although I find
                                    > Alien
                                    > > Skin stuff adequate for just about everything. :-)
                                    > >
                                    > > I've noticed a few errors in the article (typos, a dead link, etc.), so I
                                    > was
                                    > > looking for a way to contact the author (Kim Cavanaugh), but I can't find
                                    > that
                                    > > info on the site. Could you please help me with that?
                                    > >
                                    > > Thanks! :-)
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > SiamJai
                                    > > ~~~~
                                    > > http://design.thaiwonders.com - Innovative Fireworks & Game Art Community
                                    > >
                                    >
                                    > There should be a feedback form at the end of he article. That goes
                                    > directly to Kim

                                    >
                                    > Sorry Jim; I can't see that there. I'm looking at the last paragraph of the
                                    > last page, and I don't see any feedback form afterwards, or any link to it.
                                    > (The last link I see there is "Download Support Files".) Is it possible that
                                    > only logged-in CMX members see that feedback form?
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    quote:


                                    > It's not just an old feud; there are stability issues with the new
                                    > Filter gallery and FW. Up to 5.5, Adobe pulgins were pretty much just
                                    > like other third party plugins.
                                    >
                                    > Personally, I think the whole filter gallery idea is a bit of overkill,
                                    > anyway, so I'm generally happy with using the old 5.5 filters, which
                                    > I've stubbornly held on to for years. A geek AND a pack rat - what a
                                    > combination. :-)

                                    >
                                    > LOL! I know what you mean. :-) I don't easily switch from my tried-and-true
                                    > workhorses either. But then there are those rare times when I learn about a
                                    > really cool plugin, just to find out that it's exclusive to Photoshop... but
                                    > anyway. Perhaps when Fireworks gains more recognition, more companies will be
                                    > willing to write plugins that make full use of Fireworks' unique capabilities,
                                    > going beyond basic compatibility to the point where they could be exclusive to
                                    > Fireworks - now that would be something! ;-)
                                    >

                                    Well, unless the creator says it's only for PS 6 and above, chances are
                                    it will work in FW.
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                                    • 15. Re: Photoshop filters in Fireworks?
                                      Level 7
                                      On Sat, 24 May 2008 18:12:01 +0400, SiamJai <webforumsuser@macromedia.com>
                                      wrote:


                                      > I feel that Fireworks plugins' range is limited, when I have an
                                      > extensive
                                      > collection of the latest Photoshop plugins, but I can't use them in
                                      > Fireworks
                                      > because of past company feud.

                                      The list of plugins that really require Photoshop-specific stuff is quite
                                      limited. Basically, it contain the plugins sold together with Photoshop,
                                      plus a couple of third-party plugins. Oh, and well, FW cannot work with
                                      plugins of "Import/Export" or "Automation" sort, but then again, there is
                                      only a couple of them that are actually useful.

                                      > My options are also limited when the majority of
                                      > Fireworks-compatible plugins are destructive and cannot be applied as
                                      > Live
                                      > Filters.

                                      Yes, scriptability is still a problem with many plugins. But we are
                                      working on it :-)

                                      > Considering all this, I rely exclusively on Alien Skin products (I
                                      > have nearly all of them, actually), because they overcame both
                                      > limitations.

                                      I understand you. Although I tested quite many plugins, there is a very
                                      limited list of the plugins I use on a regular basis.

                                      --
                                      Ilya Razmanov
                                      http://photoshop.msk.ru - Photoshop plug-in filters