9 Replies Latest reply: Feb 26, 2012 11:02 AM by peter at knowhowpro RSS

    Vertical justification?

    Bill at HNS Community Member

      Did Frame once have a feature called vertical justification? I seem to recall it, from very long ago, but I'm not sure. I searched the PDF User Guide and did not find it.

        • 1. Re: Vertical justification?
          bowen192 Community Member

          How long are we talking, old man?

           

          I've only ever seen this function in tables, but being the young wipper snapper I am, I only started on Framemaker 6.

          • 2. Re: Vertical justification?
            Error7103 Community Member

            > Did Frame once have a feature called vertical justification?

             

            Not that I recall, and I've been using Frame since 3.1.

             

            What is the problem at hand?

             

            For Paragraph Designer, the only vertical controls that come to mind are:

            • Basic > Space Above & Space Below (which can be negative in some cases)
            • Basic > Line Spacing (which can be zero or negative for special requirements)
            • Basic > Line Spacing > Fixed (on or off, affects Vpos when ascenders and anchored objects are present)
            • Default Font > Superscript/Subscript (which, plus Size, could be used to tweak Vpos)
            • Advanced > Frame Above & Below (which could be an empty frame)
            • Table Cell > Cell Vertical Alignment
            • Table Cell > Cell Margins > Top & Bottom
            • 3. Re: Vertical justification?
              Bill at HNS Community Member

              Boy, I set myself up for that one (old man)! A mere 20 years ago, I was using Ventura Publisher, and we got a copy of FrameMaker (then owned by Frame Technology). I think both programs then had a feature called vertical justification. It would stretch the contents of a page to fit (vertically justify), after you set certain limits/parameters. I think it helped with orphan control. I just wondered if that was still in Frame (apparently not), if it ever was!

              • 4. Re: Vertical justification?
                Bill at HNS Community Member

                I go through manuals I work on and add a lot of page breaks. I just wondered if there might be a more automatic way to avoid sort of widow lines and other "bad breaks."

                • 5. Re: Vertical justification?
                  Error7103 Community Member

                  I go through manuals I work on and add a lot of page breaks.

                   

                  I never do. I don't even know what the command is. The general idea is to define your formats so that they manage it themselves.

                   

                  I just wondered if there might be a more automatic way to avoid sort of widow lines and other "bad breaks."

                   

                  For Headings that always (or at least usually) start at top of page, use Paragraph Designer > Pagination > Start to control it..

                   

                  For any paragraph type, use Pagination > Keep With & Window/Orphan to manage the strays. You can also use an empty anchored frame below to force the next content to be on the next page.

                   

                  In a multi-column format, you can also play games with Format > In Column/Across All Colums to control layout, along with empty run-in anchored frames.

                   

                  Putting text in borderless tables provides even more control, but takes the text out of Flow, which may or may not matter to you.

                  • 6. Re: Vertical justification?
                    peter at knowhowpro Community Member

                    Bill at HNS wrote:

                     

                    Boy, I set myself up for that one (old man)! A mere 20 years ago, I was using Ventura Publisher, and we got a copy of FrameMaker (then owned by Frame Technology). I think both programs then had a feature called vertical justification. It would stretch the contents of a page to fit (vertically justify), after you set certain limits/parameters. I think it helped with orphan control. I just wondered if that was still in Frame (apparently not), if it ever was!

                    Search Google for terms like "FrameMaker baseline," "FrameMaker balance columns," and "FrameMaker hyphenation zone," without quotes. Perhaps you're thinking of one of these adjustments.

                     

                    Finding small words and replacing their leading spaces with non-breaking spaces can help fix "runts," but you'll need to look at each such fix to decide if it's OK for you. InDesign's GREP find/replace abilities can do this with intelligence, and coupled with ExtendScript, it's even smarter. Now that FrameMaker's got ExtendScript, you might have some opportunity to automate this to some degree. Search Google for terms like "InDesign runts" for some links to discussion and scripts that might be useful models for replicating in FrameMaker (ExtendScript differs in FM and ID, because of the document models, etc.)

                     

                     

                    HTH

                     

                     

                    Regards,

                     

                     

                    Peter

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                    • 7. Re: Vertical justification?
                      Arnis Gubins CommunityMVP

                      Bill,

                       

                      I think what you're describing is referred to as Feathering in FM. See Format > Page Layout > Line Layout:

                      FM_feather.png

                      • 8. Re: Vertical justification?
                        Bill at HNS Community Member

                        Thank you, Arnis. I think this is what I was looking for.

                        • 9. Re: Vertical justification?
                          peter at knowhowpro Community Member

                          Arnis Gubins wrote:

                           

                          Bill,

                           

                          I think what you're describing is referred to as Feathering in FM. See Format > Page Layout > Line Layout:

                          FM_feather.png

                          Umm, I did suggest searching for baseline.

                           

                          One downside to Feather is that text baselines on facing pages might not align.

                           

                           

                          HTH

                           

                           

                          Regards,

                           

                           

                          Peter

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