11 Replies Latest reply on Mar 30, 2012 5:15 PM by KRISTIANS_CLC

    Premier Pro on a MBP 13"


      Hello all!


      I wish to find out if my new Macbook Pro 13" (running 28.GHz) will be able to support the Adobe CS5.5 Production Premium. Out of that 12 softwares provided, I will be planning on using Premier Pro the most.

      I have a few major concerns and would like some feedback:


      • Screen resolution is below requirements.
        Will this affect much?


      • 5400RPM harddrive instead of 7200RPM.
        This shouldn't be a problem at all, right? The only effect would be that loading the videos would take slightly longer?


      • Intel HD Graphics 3000
        My largest concern. Premier Pro asked for "Adobe certified GPU cards for GPU-accelerated performance". Would Premier Pro still be able to run smoothly?



      Please address these 3 concerns, and if you foresee me running into any other problems feel free to point those out too, please!

      Thank you all in advance!



      Links for convenience:

      CS5.5 Production Premium

      CS5.5 Premier Pro

      Macbook Pro 13-Inch

        • 1. Re: Premier Pro on a MBP 13"
          Harm Millaard Level 7
          1. Insufficient screen resolution: this means you can not see the full interface and consequently have to guess what option to choose. You will be working in the blind.
          2. 5400 RPM: Below minimum requirements, which is at least two physical disks. Slower than molasses in winter and effectively unworkable.
          3. Intel HD Graphics 3000: Does not support CUDA acceleration, slower than even a basic ATI/AMD card.


          Summary: Forget it. MBP is not suitable.


          Smoothly? Do you consider exporting a 1 hour time-line in 200 hours smoothly, then discovering that on the interface you could not see, you chose a wrong option and you have to start again with 200 hours encoding?

          • 2. Re: Premier Pro on a MBP 13"
            blimsiang1990 Level 1

            Alright, Harm Millaard, calm down. You seem rather excited that my situation completely fails me.

            I merely asked for feedback, not to be gunned down with sarcasm.


            On a more professional note, I do understand the points that you raised up, thank you.

            • 3. Re: Premier Pro on a MBP 13"
              John T Smith Adobe Community Professional & MVP

              Some ideas for a Laptop Video Editing PC from past discussions




              http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=637440&csid=ITD &recordsPerPage=10#

              -NOTE only 1 hard drive in above, so you will need to add a 2nd drive or use eSata for video files

              -or Google "ASUS G74SX-BBK7" (without the quote "" marks)

              For effective HD video editing, a laptop with the following

              -the newer Intel sandy bridge 2720 or 2820 quad processor

              -and nvidia graphics preferably the 460m, 485m is a bit much

              -1280x900 display with OpenGL 2.0-compatible graphics card

              -and 8 or 16 gig ram and Win7 64bit Pro

              -and 2 internal 7200 HDDs minimum

              • 4. Re: Premier Pro on a MBP 13"
                blimsiang1990 Level 1

                Thank you John Smith. May I just ask why there needs to be 2 HDDs?

                • 5. Re: Premier Pro on a MBP 13"
                  Harm Millaard Level 7

                  SATA is half duplex. That means a one way street. Either reading or writing, not both at the same time. Encoding entails reading a file, waiting for that process to finish, then writing intermediate results, then reading the next file, then writing the next intermediate results, wait for the OS to write to a pagefile, reading, writing, etc.


                  Reading from one disk and writing to another disk goes twice as fast, with a third or more disks you can distribute the load even better.


                  What works better, transporting a hockey team in your Beetle by making multiple trips from your house to the hockey field, or having your neighbors help you driving the team by using multiple cars in a single haul?

                  • 6. Re: Premier Pro on a MBP 13"
                    Jim_Simon Level 9

                    There really should be at least three (System, Projects/Scratch, Media/Export), which is why Laptops aren't the best choice for editing.

                    • 7. Re: Premier Pro on a MBP 13"
                      John T Smith Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                      >May I just ask why there needs to be 2 HDDs?


                      My 3 hard drives are configured as...

                      1 - 320Gig Boot for Win7 64bit Pro and all program installs

                      2 - 320Gig data for Win7 swap file and video project files

                      When I create a project on #2 drive, the various work files follow,

                      so my boot drive is not used for the media cache folder and files

                      3 - 1Terabyte data for all video files... input & output files (*)

                      (*) for 4 drives, drive 3 all source files & drive 4 all output files


                      Search Microsoft to find out how to redirect your Windows swap file





                      Trying to use only ONE Hard Drive for Video Editing


                      You are a music conductor, with a baton that you use to point to various parts of the orchestra... this is like Windows pointing to various parts of the hard drive to do Windows housekeeping or to load program segments for various functions


                      Now, at the same time and with the same hand... while still using the baton to conduct the orchestra... pick up a bow and play a fiddle... this would be doing something with your video file at the same time as all the other work


                      You as a person cannot do both at the same time with the same hand


                      A computer is a LITTLE better, in that it can switch from one kind of task to another very quickly... but not quickly enough for EASY video editing


                      You need AT LEAST two hard drives (separate drives, never a partition http://forums.adobe.com/thread/650708 for more) with Windows (or Mac OS) and software on your boot drive, and video files on a 2nd drive so the boot drive is not slowed down by trying to do everything


                      I find that the three drives I use work very well for me, for editing AVCHD video... some people use a 4th drive, so video INPUT files are on drive three and all OUTPUT files are on drive four... I only bought a mid-tower case instead of a full tower case (my bad... but had to fit in the space available on my office desk!) so I use the three drives that will fit


                      Depending on your exact hardware (motherboard brand & model AND USB2 enclosure brand & model AND external hard drive brand & model) AND the type of video file, you may... or may NOT... be able to use an external USB2 hard drive for SD (Standard Definition) video editing


                      Steve Grisetti in the Premiere Elements forum http://forums.adobe.com/thread/856208 and Jim Simon in the Premiere Pro forum http://forums.adobe.com/thread/856433 use USB externals for editing


                      A USB3 hard drive connected to a motherboard with USB3 is supposed to be fast enough for video editing (I don't have such, so don't know) but eSata DOES have a fast enough data transfer for video editing... I have not used the eSata Dock below... for reference only, YMMV and all the usual disclaimers


                      http://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-BlacX-eSATA-Docking-Station/dp/B001A4HAFS/ref=cm_cmu_pg_ t

                      • 8. Re: Premier Pro on a MBP 13"
                        blimsiang1990 Level 1

                        Harm, Jim, John, thank you for your answers. I think I can fully appreciate the complexity of the situation.

                        Such a shame, though. Thanks anyway!

                        • 9. Re: Premier Pro on a MBP 13"
                          John T Smith Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                          Editing a single, static picure in Photoshop or Photoshop Elements does not require a super powerful computer


                          Editing even SD (Standard Definition) video means you are loading 30 pictures per second of video, or 25 per second in PAL land... plus audio


                          That requires a LOT more computing power... and AT LEAST a 2nd hard drive... even more power/drives for HD (High Definition) video


                          Simply put... a standard laptop will not work well, if at all, for video editing

                          • 10. Re: Premier Pro on a MBP 13"
                            Bill Gehrke Most Valuable Participant

                            I would like to add one exception (??) to the three drive rule.  If you have a very fast RAID array then you can easily get by with essentially two storage functions, the OS/Applications drive and everything else on the one RAID array.  Of course this still means more than three physical drives

                            • 11. Re: Premier Pro on a MBP 13"

                              I'm working as editor at small production house. Last week our main editing station fried up and as we had tight deadline I installed trial version of Premiere CS5.5  on my personal MBP 2,4Ghz. It's working... but as expected painfully slow.

                              Few things are a must:

                              1. external raid 0 - I have WD My Book Studio II (4Tb) - without that DSLR footage sometimes hung up.

                              2. external monitor - I have Apple 27" -  with 13" screen only - it's a mess.

                              3. and RAM upgrade from standard 4 Gb to 16 Gb - it may speed up a little bit the process or allow to open another soft, e.g. AfterEffects or Photoshop.

                              I had to combine HDV and DSLR footage in 2 layers with basic color correction and few effects. Cutting was without major blackouts or hung-ups. But effects rendering was slow. Lenght of the clip was <10 min. Rendering ot Mpeg4  took ~ 1 hour .

                              So do the math - is it worth or not.