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      • 1,040. Re: Lightroom 4 is slow
        bob frost Level 3

        From: "bcw99

         

        Looking through this thread, I don't see any response from Adobe?

         

         

         

        That is because this is a User-to-User forum, where users help each other.

        If you want to report bugs, problems, or make feature requests, you should

        either use Adobe's Help lines, or use the other Adobe Forum where Adobe does

        participate -

         

        <http://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/products/photoshop_family_photoshop_lightro om?sort=recently_created&style=topics>

         

        Bob Frost

        • 1,041. Re: Lightroom 4 is slow
          areohbee Level 6

          Reminder: if changing preview size makes more than a little difference in performance, it's due to a bug.

           

          Last time I was doing performance testing based on preview size (not Lr4, Lr3 I think) I noticed some *very* strange phenomenon, which neither Adobe nor any users were able to explain (observed by some other users, but not observed by all users):

           

          e.g. 1680 preview rendering size was *larger* than the 2048 size...

           

          (I never noticed any difference in performance, so I kinda forgot about it)

           

          Moral of the story: never assume Lightroom is working properly .

           

          PS - Rendering 1:1 previews renders standard previews too - no need to do both.

           

          Cheers,

          Rob

          • 1,042. Re: Lightroom 4 is slow
            DavePinMinn Level 1

            Actually, if I recall correctly, there are some of Adobe's Lightroom people that do participate here on a purely volunteer basis.  Unfortunately, given the performance issues that come up with every major release, they may have decided their time would be better spent elsewhere - hopefully figuring out how to speed things up...  But, I believe there are some around.  Of course, they may not be able to hop in here and tell us much...

             

            I recreated my little test catalog.  It contains 146, NIkon D300, 12 megapixel images in .dng format.  I turned off the import preset.  I turned off everything as far as I know.  Imported and then did a 1:1 rendering.  My preview size is now set to 1680 with high quality.

             

            I then recreated it WITH the import preset and jumped back and forth...

             

            As near as I can tell, and this is PURELY anecdotal, NOT doing the lens correction didn't make any difference to how fast images display in loupe.  Nor did it change how fast they display in 1:1.  Nor did it improve performance in Develop, which is where the worst display speed is.  Not DOING anything, just moving from one image to the next. 

             

            I'll have to go back to the "real" catalog to see how much improvement there is from going to 1680 instead of 2048 for previews, but it doesn't APPEAR to be much if any......

             

            I could be more certain if I had a way to have something automatically open say 10 images in loupe, then go to develop and walk through 10 images to see how long that took, but I don't know of a way to do that in Lightroom.  So, I'm going with what it looks like when I manually hit the arrow to move from image to image and just watch the clock.  Not very precise.  What I CAN say with some confidence is that it's slower than V3.

             

            Anyhow, it is what it is.  bwc99, yes, there are number of threads in a number of forums.  I've waded through some of them looking for a magic bullet, but so far I haven't found it.  I don't think Adobe's strange, I just think they're responding the way any company that has a virtual monopoly does. 

            • 1,043. Re: Lightroom 4 is slow
              areohbee Level 6

              Note: the size of the standard preview makes no difference whatsoever if you have 1:1 previews built. It only matters if you DON'T. (assuming Lightroom is functioning normally, which it may not be)

               

              Why?

               

              When Lightroom renders 1:1 previews it actually renders 7 different versions in one fell swoop (or 6 if image smaller to begin with...), plus ACR cache info for develop (alias fast-load data if you use DNG):

               

              1. 1:1
              2. dimensions half of 1:1
              3. dimensions half of 2
              4. dimensions half of 3
              5. dimensions half of 4
              6. dimensions half of 5
              7. thumb: dimensions half of 6.

               

              This is what's known as the preview pyramid, or stack.

               

              If you render standard previews only, and not 1:1, it skips:

              • Largest (1:1) rendering
              • ACR cache info.

               

              I always keep 1:1 previews rendered at top quality (I would use medium, except I also use PreviewExporter for quick yet high quality exports), and ignore standard preview settings.

               

              Rob

              • 1,044. Re: Lightroom 4 is slow
                DavePinMinn Level 1

                So, if I do 1:1 previews, nothing else matters.  That takes care of everything...

                 

                Interesting... 

                 

                BTW:  UNTIL V4, I NEVER RENDERED 1:1 PREVIEWS...  Literally, NEVER.  And it was STILL at LEAST as fast (and in truth I believe develop was FASTER) on the old version than V4 is WITH 1:1 previews...

                • 1,045. Re: Lightroom 4 is slow
                  areohbee Level 6

                  Lr4 is not running well on your system.

                   

                  Lib module sequencing is lightning fast for me, if requisite previews are available.

                   

                  Dev mode is slower, because of additional processing (NR, CA, PV2012), but lib module: like greased lightning in Lr4.

                   

                  R

                  • 1,046. Re: Lightroom 4 is slow
                    DavePinMinn Level 1

                    That's good to know Rob... 

                     

                    When you walk through images in the library module, how fast does the loupe info update?  'Cause on mine, the previews aren't instantaneous, but the loupe info text is definitely BEHIND the image update.

                    • 1,047. Re: Lightroom 4 is slow
                      areohbee Level 6

                      davepinminn wrote:

                       

                      When you walk through images in the library module, how fast does the loupe info update?  'Cause on mine, the previews aren't instantaneous...

                       

                      The delay when stepping from one image to the next in fit-view is barely noticeable, so I would estimate less than a tenth of a second for fit-view image display. A bit longer, say 1/8 second, for 1:1 image view.

                       

                      Lr also updates histogram, metadata, ... - those things take some time to fill in (way less than a second, but still noticeable lag) - but they don't hold up image viewing.

                       

                      PS - I don't use the Lr 'Info' display proper (accessed via the 'i' key, because I don't like how it overlaps the image), but having just tried it, it definitely lags - filled in after the image, like the metadata display... - fraction of a second, but noticeable lag... - maybe 1/5 to 1/4 second.

                       

                      win7/64 medium-powered system (4-core AMD, 3.4GHz, 8GB ram, mainboard graphics driving 2 1920x1200 displays): I do have catalog and previews on SSD, but I don't use dual monitor mode of Lr, nor full-screen mode. Main view and right panel on right monitor, oversized left panel on left monitor, filmstrip open most of the time.

                       

                      How about you?

                       

                      R

                      • 1,048. Re: Lightroom 4 is slow
                        bob frost Level 3

                        From: "davepinminn

                        When you walk through images in the library module, how fast does the

                        loupe info update?  'Cause on mine, the previews aren't instantaneous, but

                        the loupe info text is definitely BEHIND the image update.

                         

                        Presumably that is simply due to retrieval time from wherever you store your

                        previews and catalog. I assume the image info has to be got from the

                        catalog, after the correct preview has been selected from the previews

                        folder. Putting your catalog and previews on a SSD will speed retrieval up.

                         

                        Bob Frost

                        • 1,049. Re: Lightroom 4 is slow
                          rpavich1234 Level 1

                          Putting your catalog and previews on a SSD will speed retrieval up.

                          I'm sorry but I've been following this thread and the whole discussion is just comical.

                           

                          The ever-growing list of things to do to make LR4 even in the same performance neighborhood of LR3 is staggering.

                           

                          Imagine buying a new car and have it perform worse by such a large margin than last years model that you currently drive that you have to change almost every bit of that car (motor, suspension, tires, fuel system etc...) all in an effort to get it to even perform CLOSE to what last years model did.

                           

                          It's just lunacy...

                           

                          I'm not downing those who are trying to help the poor souls make LR4 work...they are just trying to help...I'm just commenting on the insane lengths one has to go to get a piece of software to run as well as a previous version...there is definitely something wrong in Adobe-land.

                           

                          I'd LOVE to drive this year's model but I can't afford to have my car stall out everytime I put my foot on the gas...I have places to go.

                          • 1,050. Re: Lightroom 4 is slow
                            bob frost Level 3

                            From: "rpavich1234

                            I'm sorry but I've been following this thread and the whole discussion is

                            just comical.

                             

                            The ever-growing list of things to do to make LR4 even in the same

                            performance neighborhood is staggering.

                             

                            Imagine buying a new car and have it perform worse by a large margin than

                            last years model that you currently drive. Then imagine changing the

                            motor, suspension, tires, fuel system etc...all in an effort to get it to

                            even perform CLOSE to what last years model did.

                             

                             

                            Sorry, but LR 4.1 runs fine for thousands (or millions?) of people,

                            including me. So we have to try and work out what is different about the

                            computers/images/catalogs/previews of those who find LR 4.1 doesn't run

                            fine. I used SSDs for my catalog and previews in LR3, not just for LR4. It

                            speeds everything up, since retrieval from disk is usually the slowest bit

                            of most computers. An SSD in my cheap Samsung laptop makes it fine for

                            demonstrating LR 4.1 in lectures - no slowdowns or hangups.

                             

                            I also did various of the things I have listed (export catalog to a new one,

                            create all new previews, etc) when upgrading from LR2 to LR3, so nothing new

                            there. A 'clean' setup usually runs faster than a dirty one, just as with

                            OSs.

                             

                            I doubt if LR 4 will ever be faster than LR3, because it does a lot more

                            things, and does them better.

                             

                            Might be a good idea if people stopped asking for new things to be added.

                            They all add 'weight to the car' and slow it down. 

                             

                            Bob Frost

                            • 1,051. Re: Lightroom 4 is slow
                              rpavich1234 Level 1

                              Bob,

                              Sorry but that answer is also comical.

                               

                              This isn't just isolated pockets of people who are having slight issues...this is big enough to cause discussions on many many forums and in the blog-o-sphere in general....

                               

                              You didn't really say anything new in your response...just repeated what you've already said...that this version is more bloated and less responsive in performance...yes...we know that....lol...

                               

                              As for the excuse that now because I have a new feature in my car (air conditioning in the back seat and lighted vanity mirrors) that I should accept that my car bogs down when I hit the gas?

                               

                              Or that the car works fine for a lot of people?

                               

                              that's also comical.

                              • 1,052. Re: Lightroom 4 is slow
                                Keith_Reeder Level 5

                                rpavich1234 wrote:

                                 

                                Bob,

                                 

                                this is big enough to cause discussions on many many forums and in the blog-o-sphere in general....

                                 

                                Only because the internet is self-selecting for complaining - like it or not, there's simply no evidence that this is anything like as pervasive an issue as your (necessarily skewed) interpretation of the relevance of the "blogosphere" suggests.

                                 

                                You didn't really say anything new in your response...just repeated what you've already said..

                                 

                                Uuuumm... Pot calling the kettle black? You're hardly breaking new ground in your posts, are you? Actively choosing to ignore the inherent validity of Bob's comments doesn't make 'em any less valid.

                                 

                                I'll ask my usual question: if Lr is the problem, why aren't we all suffering? Until someone comes up with a convincing answer to that question, you're not going to win the argument.

                                • 1,053. Re: Lightroom 4 is slow
                                  fliplip1 Level 2

                                  I agree, all these tips shouldn't be needed, and wont get LR4 working as it should.The fact that many peoepl dont have this issue, and have not made any major chages to how they work show this.

                                   

                                  There is obviously a problem with the program for some, all this talk of SSD's, 1:1 previews etc are just common sence tweaks, nowhere near fixes.

                                   

                                  None of the PC's i have access to have SSD's, more than 8GM ram, nothing over i5's yet all work fine. None have 1:1 previews on import turned on, and all use Len correction on import.

                                  Im sure all could run a tiny bit faster by Turing previews on and LC off but we find here at work that the time it takes to render the 1:1 previews could be spent actually working on the images, and sometimes LC can be forgotten to be enabled so we have it as default.

                                   

                                  Im not putting anyone down for tying to figure out what the problem is but i think taking a look at the machines that do run LR4 fine will show that the suggestions in here are not the ones that will fix this.

                                   

                                  Still, keep up the good work, its an interesting read.

                                  • 1,054. Re: Lightroom 4 is slow
                                    Keith_Reeder Level 5

                                    fliplip1 wrote:

                                     

                                    There is obviously a problem with the program for some

                                     

                                    By definition, this must mean that the problem lies with the local environment on which the software is installed.

                                    • 1,055. Re: Lightroom 4 is slow
                                      bob frost Level 3

                                      From: "rpavich1234

                                      Sorry but that answer is also comical............................. that's

                                      also comical.

                                       

                                       

                                      It is 'funny' that some computers have problems with LR 4.1, and that others

                                      don't, but not in the sense that you mean. 

                                       

                                      Some people are just waking up to the fact that processing D800 files (40MB

                                      compressed) takes a lot longer than processing D700 files (20MB compressed),

                                      and even longer than processing D100 files (10MB compressed), and that's

                                      without the extra processing that 2012 does. They take longer in 2010 as

                                      well.

                                       

                                      The latest cameras have faster processors in them to cope with this, they

                                      use faster cards to store the images on, and  ............................

                                      need faster computers to process them. It's just logic, not 'lunacy'.

                                       

                                      Sorry that nothing seems to solve your problems. It's 'funny'.

                                       

                                      Bob frost

                                      • 1,056. Re: Lightroom 4 is slow
                                        rpavich1234 Level 1

                                        Uuuumm... Pot calling the kettle black?

                                        Yep....observing how lame LR4 is isn't a new complaint.

                                         

                                         

                                         

                                         

                                        You're hardly breaking new ground in your posts, are you?

                                        Nope...no new ground...we all know the problems LR4 has.

                                         

                                         

                                        Actively choosing to ignore the inherent validity of Bob's comments doesn't make 'em any less valid.

                                        I'm not actively choosing to ignore them....I only made the observation that he's repeating how we can "fix" LR4...which was what was so comical in the first place!...what hoops we discuss to jump through to get even acceptable performance out of a "better" piece of software!

                                         

                                         

                                         

                                         

                                         

                                        I'll ask my usual question: if Lr is the problem, why aren't we all suffering?

                                        Because whatever bugs are involved; aren't following certain patterns...that's all. It's not as simple as "all old machines will lag" or "all people who use SSD's will have acceptable performance"...it's more complicated.

                                         

                                        I've been in your shoes on other software releases...defending a buggy piece of software because I didn't happen to have the worst of the ill effects where others did....after MANY dicussions just like the one we're having,, the software company issued several bug fix releases and cleared up the performance issues. That's what I'm hoping happens here.

                                         

                                        I hope that one day we can all have your experience...without having to change the motor, suspension, undercarriage, AC, drive train, tires, fuel system...et al.

                                         

                                         

                                         

                                        Until someone comes up with a convincing answer to that question, you're not going to win the argument.

                                        There is no argument to win...there is definitely some remaining major bugs in this particular piece of software that need to be ironed out...that's not even a question.

                                        • 1,057. Re: Lightroom 4 is slow
                                          rpavich1234 Level 1

                                          By definition, this must mean that the problem lies with the local environment on which the software is installed.

                                          Nope...not at all. It just means that there is a bug somewhere that's not readily apparent and simple to squash.

                                          • 1,058. Re: Lightroom 4 is slow
                                            fliplip1 Level 2

                                            Well, i dont want to annoy the others but thats my thinking.

                                            It shouldn't be this way so i feel the blame lays at Adobes door, but i dont think anything in LR can be changed by the user to fix the issues. Its not goin got be that easy.

                                            As ive said before, i changed my hardware but not my HDD, so other than new drivers everything was the same, and this fixed my issues instantly.

                                            I also have PC's at work that have with been through the LR3 - LR4 upgrade (inc catalogue) or fresh installs and none have had any issues. All i5's or lower, no SSD's etc.

                                            • 1,059. Re: Lightroom 4 is slow
                                              CSS Simon Level 3

                                              Keith_Reeder wrote:

                                               

                                              fliplip1 wrote:

                                               

                                              There is obviously a problem with the program for some

                                               

                                              By definition, this must mean that the problem lies with the local environment on which the software is installed.

                                              Or, perhaps, some camera's raw files are problematic, as Victoria suggested above?

                                               

                                              Whatever, I'm another of those that doesn't experience performance problems.  I have a two-year-old i7-930, and don't get anything like the delays some people are talking about.  I have a (slow-ish) SSD for the ACR cache, but the LR catalogue (58,000 images) and previews are on a normal hard drive.  It's weird!  I'm not doubting the posts here, but it's as though we not talking about the same software. 

                                              • 1,060. Re: Lightroom 4 is slow
                                                rpavich1234 Level 1

                                                It is 'funny' that some computers have problems with LR 4.1, and that others

                                                don't, but not in the sense that you mean. 

                                                 

                                                Some people are just waking up to the fact that processing D800 files (40MB

                                                compressed) takes a lot longer than processing D700 files (20MB compressed),

                                                and even longer than processing D100 files (10MB compressed), and that's

                                                without the extra processing that 2012 does. They take longer in 2010 as

                                                well.

                                                And some aren't.

                                                 

                                                This would be a good point if LR3 wasn't so lightning fast processing big files.

                                                 

                                                What LR3 does in milliseconds....LR4 (on my machine and others) is so slow as to be unusable....20 seconds or more. I'm not speaking of barely noticable issues.

                                                 

                                                 

                                                The latest cameras have faster processors in them to cope with this, they use faster cards to store the images on, and  ............................

                                                need faster computers to process them. It's just logic, not 'lunacy'.

                                                 

                                                Again...that would hold water if LR3 was choking but LR3 works great...so fast on the SAME FILES that I have to look twice to see if it actually processed!

                                                 

                                                PS: It's not just a "faster computer" issue and you know it. There are people posting these same issues who are using HUGE machines