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1. Re: 30fps vs 60fps handling motion
TradeWind Mar 12, 2012 8:57 AM (in response to Indio22)I notice when there is any motion recorded, the 60fps provides a significantly smoother look to the recording. In comparison, the 30fps appears jittery and sometimes like a strobe effect.........I don't understand why 30fps looks so bad.
Just as 60 fps are twice as many frames as 30 fps, this means the video recording is updated twice as often. Think about it like this...the 60 fps recording is capturing the frames IN BETWEEN every two frames that are recorded by the 30 fps. So anything that changes between 2 frames of the 30 fps recording would be captured by the 30 fps recording.
Aren't many films recorded with an even lower 25fps? And television is 30fps (although interlaced)? I realize film makers use techniques to lessen jitter, and I have attempted to emulate these in some other recordings, but still it seems there is more to this situation than simply camera technique. I have seen plenty of films and DVDs of the action genre, where there is lots of character/vehicle movement recorded - and these do not look like what I am getting with the 30fps Playsport. Not to mention, by old DV tape camcorder did not have this jitter either - and I think it recorded at 30fps (I will verify this). Is there something else having to do with interlacing, or some kind of blurring, that makes recording devices that share 24 or 30 fps appear different in terms of how smooth motion looks?
To your first question, yes and no. Some films are recorded at much higher frame rates than even 60 fps (portions anyway...high action stuff, anything that will be slowed waaaaaaaay down - think about the Matrix "bullet time" effect for example). But you're on the right track. Most theatrical releases are screened at 24p (24 progressively-displayed frames per second).
To your second question, yes and no. NTSC is 29.97 fps but is really 60 partial frames per second (indicated as 60i). In other words, it is capturing new data every 1/60th of a second, but only HALF of the frame (because it is interlaced). So while you could say "film is 24 fps and TV is 30 fps" you would be technically correct but the difference is again between interlacing and progressive. So remember, 24p (PROGRESSIVE) is recording new video every 1/24 of a second (relatively slow) and 60i is recording new video every 1/60 of a second (relatively fast).
About film techniques, YES, this is the big difference maker. In films, the camera almost ALWAYS keeps the subject framed consistently so that even if it's a car racing through the streets of San Francisco, the actual car in the frame isn't "moving" much at all...the filmmakers have kept it framed pretty much near the center the whole time. The background elements are what is primarily moving, and for the most part, you're probably not paying any attention to those background elements because they make up a smaller portion of the screen....and, well, they're the background. Go back and watch a car chase film and completely cover the center of the screen (or wherever the fast-moving subject is) and watch only the background. You'll see horrible strobing effects on all of it.
Sometimes.
Well, another part of it also has to do with depth of field. If the background elements are flying around at a rapid pace but they are not sharply focused (due to being behind of or in front of the focal plane of the subject), then it lessens the strobing effect substantially. With your Kodak camera, EVERYTHING is in sharp focus because of the way the lens is designed (very small lens, no depth), so the strobing effect of items in the frame is much more noticeable as motion in the frame increases. So the depth of field is another technique utilized by filmmakers to reduce strobing when shooting/displaying 24p.
Thing about a movie like Blair Witch or Cloverfield. People were puking in their seats from all the strobing because it was shot "handheld-style" to give it the non-professional feel. But that's what happens when you shoot like a home video enthusiast and not like a filmmaker. It's not an insult, it's a matter of the technique.
Try this....get your kid jumping up and down on the trampoline again and get up close so his face fills about 1/2 to 2/3 of the frame, and track his motion closely as he goes up then down, etc. You'll notice the strobing disappears or is lessened. That's the technique you need to use when shooting lower frame rates. Otherwise, shoot at 60p. There's no reason not to do so in most cases. AVCHD/H.264 codecs usually record constant bitrate within any given quality setting regardless of frame rate, so you're not going to see any savings on the file size. If it's sports or high motion and you don't need to screen it in a movie theatre, there's probably no reason you "must" shoot 24p.
However, 24p DOES have a magical quality to it in the way it looks, but you have to follow the rules to keep everyone from throwing up when they watch "Lord of the Trampoline" on their 55" HDTV.
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2. Re: 30fps vs 60fps handling motion
Indio22 Mar 12, 2012 6:18 PM (in response to TradeWind)Thanks, I appreciate the information and advice. I have been reading about some of the camera techniques and tricks you mentioned. For those options that I have control over with this camera, I will give them a try. It has been a while, but back in the 80s in high school, I use to make movies with a Super 8 film camera, both live action and animation. I don't recall this sort of jitter issue, but it is possible I was holding the camera more stationary due to the nature of having a viewfinder and pre-planned shots. Maybe if I had been filming "Lord of the Trampoline" (nice) with the Super 8, it wouldn't have looked so good either. And I get what you are saying about Cloverfield - will have to watch that again and compare to my shots with the Playsport.
I should have mentioned, this Playsport camera also shoots in 1080p mode, but only in 30fps. So that is a reason I have been debating between 30 or 60 fps. With 1080p only 30fps is available, but with 720p there is the option of 30 or 60fps. Maybe as you indicate, the 60fps is a good choice for some action/movement shots that simply don't lend themselves to cleaning up with camera technique. Partly it will also depend on the limitations of the media I use to distribute the videos (DVD, files, etc).
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3. Re: 30fps vs 60fps handling motion
Marca Image Sep 26, 2014 9:26 PM (in response to Indio22)The reason for your problem is the shutter speed, not the frame rate. Set it to 1/60 second and try again.