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1. Re: Slow Liquify / Large .msh files
Chris Cox Mar 22, 2012 6:22 PM (in response to takennick)Liquify's meshes can be fairly dense, and they don't compress well. No, there's no good way to make them smaller.
And a GT120 is probably at the low end of GPUs to accelerate Liquify.
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2. Re: Slow Liquify / Large .msh files
Jeffrey Tranberry Mar 22, 2012 9:47 PM (in response to takennick)It sounds like your Liquify is defaulting to CPU mode instead of using the GPU.
Can you post more details:
FAQ: I found a bug. How do I write a useful bug report?
Including your system info:
FAQ: How do I share my System Information?
Thanks!
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3. Re: Slow Liquify / Large .msh files
Jeffrey Tranberry Apr 7, 2012 9:17 PM (in response to takennick)Please make sure you have the latest driver. Determine what video card you have and go directly to the manufacturers website (nVidia or ATI/AMD) and download the latest driver. GPU and OpenGL support | Photoshop CS4, CS5: http://adobe.ly/OpenGL
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4. Re: Slow Liquify / Large .msh files
takennick Mar 23, 2012 3:18 AM (in response to Jeffrey Tranberry)Yes, i think it defaults to CPU but it shouldn't. Here's my system info:
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Physical processor count: 2
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Free memory: 5306 MB
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Memory used by Photoshop: 82 %
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OpenCL Unavailable
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Video Card Memory: 236 MB
Video Rect Texture Size: 8192
Serial number: Tryout Version
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5. Re: Slow Liquify / Large .msh files
eclic Mar 23, 2012 3:40 AM (in response to takennick)I have the same video card on my Mac Pro and you should use Liquify in the (CPU?) mode. When launching Liquify hold down option.
Otherwise you will see artifacts in the preview image. That card is too old I guess for the GPU accelerated features of Liquify - so I'd rathher use the CS5 speed Liquify than get or see artifacts.
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6. Re: Slow Liquify / Large .msh files
Trevor.Dennis Mar 23, 2012 4:03 AM (in response to eclic)When some of you say that Liquify is slow, do you mean its response while editing on screen, or the time it takes to complete when you click on OK? I am finding absolutely no lag on my fairly high spec system, but a bit of time to render a very large file, (I resized an image to 25,000 pixels wide to try Liquify on to see if it made use of all cores and threads).
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7. Re: Slow Liquify / Large .msh files
takennick Mar 23, 2012 8:15 AM (in response to Trevor.Dennis)I mean "slow" while editing - like they showed in the video on youtube - like drawing the "S" / initial loading of the image.. Holding option doesn't do anything for me - still CPU mode.
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8. Re: Slow Liquify / Large .msh files
eclic Mar 23, 2012 8:19 AM (in response to takennick)i meant that CPU mode is best for that video card.
not holding option should load GPU mode which I do not think works well with that card.
you might have to experiment with the graphics card settings in PS prefs
I use the basic setting. I have no performance problems with Liquify but i use small careful strokes - not fast.
basically that card will not see the new performance benefits of the new Liquify - but maybe someone more technical than me can confirm.
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9. Re: Slow Liquify / Large .msh files
john worthington Mar 23, 2012 8:25 AM (in response to takennick)Liquify requires at least 256MB of available Video Card Memory. Some 256MB cards have too much of the memory used by the operating system and there is not sufficient memory left over to accelerate Liquify. Cards with 512MB of vram memory should work nicely.
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10. Re: Slow Liquify / Large .msh files
takennick Mar 23, 2012 8:31 AM (in response to eclic)I see. I'm not a technician, but I think that card should handle liquify pretty well when handled correctly. Simple 2D distortions are not brainer even for older cards. The only limitation can be texture size, but I would be happy to have less detail and greater speed.
Take a look at that screen saver which uses "liquify" like distortions for the Mac and it screams on my machine:
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11. Re: Slow Liquify / Large .msh files
takennick Apr 7, 2012 6:56 PM (in response to takennick)UPDATE : Windows version of CS6 has no problems with GPU acceleration for Liquify on the same machine!




