10 Replies Latest reply: Mar 27, 2012 5:06 AM by Dorin Nicolaescu-Musteață RSS

    Color Space Issue?

    Images of RMNP Community Member
    Images of RMNP Mar 26, 2012 9:41 AM

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      This is probably a very simple issue which I'm hoping someone can easily figure out. I process my images to taste in LR4 and then export them as jpgs in the sRGB color space. When I open them in programs like "Windows Picture Viewer" they look just like they do in LR but when I upload it to my website or view it in a program like IrfanView the images look terribly over-saturated. I should also mention that it seems like I need to add quite a bit more saturation than normal to get them looking right in LR. I'm guessing that there is some setting that I have wrong. Can any one help me figure out what it might be?

       

      Thanks! I really appreciate this great forum and all the helpful people on here!

       

      Erik Stensland

        • 1. Re: Color Space Issue?
          dj_paige Community Member
          dj_paige Mar 26, 2012 9:44 AM (in response to Images of RMNP)

          Two issues

           

          1. Is your monitor calibrated?

           

          2. Viewing in WIndows Picture Viewer will not use the monitor calibration, if it exists, so of course it will not match Lightroom. I don't know about IrfanView. What web browser (and what version)?

          • 2. Re: Color Space Issue?
            Images of RMNP Community Member
            Images of RMNP Mar 26, 2012 9:52 AM (in response to dj_paige)

            Thanks for the quick reply dj-paige.

             

            1. My monitor is calibrated with the Spectraview calibration program for my NEC monitor.

             

            2. The web browser that I've tested it in is Google Chrome, most recent version. (Updated a couple of days ago) and IE 9.0.8. Both of those show a great deal of over-saturation.

             

            Is there any chance that LR is not accessing my calibrated monitor profile?

            • 3. Re: Color Space Issue?
              Scooby007 Community Member
              Scooby007 Mar 26, 2012 9:59 AM (in response to Images of RMNP)

              Based on the hypersaturated one it looks like it could be a non-color managed viewer combined with wide gamut NEC monitor issue

              • 4. Re: Color Space Issue?
                web-weaver Community Member
                web-weaver Mar 26, 2012 10:13 AM (in response to Images of RMNP)

                The higher saturation - particularly in the reds and greens - is happening when you change the color space of images to sRGB and view them with a not color-managed program.

                This was always happening with my photos when I viewed them on my website with previous browser versions that were not color-managed.

                • 5. Re: Color Space Issue?
                  Images of RMNP Community Member
                  Images of RMNP Mar 26, 2012 10:28 AM (in response to web-weaver)

                  It looks like I've fixed the issue. I deleted the old color space profile and re-calibrated using sRGB as my target so that my images in LR will look the same when I post them on the web or send them to my printer. I had thought I had done this but aparently it was showing too wide of a gamut as B r e t t mentioned. Thanks everyone.

                  • 6. Re: Color Space Issue?
                    CSS Simon Community Member
                    CSS Simon Mar 26, 2012 10:39 AM (in response to web-weaver)

                    Windows (7) Photo Viewer is colour managed, I'm pretty sure.  The equivalent in XP ("Picture and FAX viewer", or some similar name) isn't. 

                     

                    However, neither Chrome nor IE (even IE9) is properly colour-managed.  Only Firefox and Safari are properly managed, and even then only on the primary monitor. 

                     

                    Try either Firefox or Safari, on your primary monitor if you have more than one, and see how that looks. 

                    • 7. Re: Color Space Issue?
                      ssprengel Community Member
                      ssprengel Mar 26, 2012 11:34 AM (in response to Images of RMNP)

                      I would guess your browser is not dealing with your monitor’s profile properly, when converting between sRGB and your monitor’s profile for display, and perhaps you have a wide-gamut monitor, which makes the differences more noticeable.

                       

                       

                       

                      Can you provide a link to an image with the problem on a public website and then also attach the same image to a forum reply, that way others can do the same experiment you have provided the screenshot of.

                      • 8. Re: Color Space Issue?
                        Dorin Nicolaescu-Musteață Community Member
                        Dorin Nicolaescu-Musteață Mar 27, 2012 1:32 AM (in response to Images of RMNP)

                        1) You have a wide-gamut monitor.

                         

                        2) Windows picture viewer IS color-managed in Win7, just like Lightroom.

                         

                        3) IrfanView IS NOT color-managed by default. Install the lcms plugin and enable CM in prefs.

                         

                        4) Chrome IS NOT color-managed. Use the "--enable-monitor-profile" command-line switch.

                        • 9. Re: Color Space Issue?
                          CSS Simon Community Member
                          CSS Simon Mar 27, 2012 4:24 AM (in response to Dorin Nicolaescu-Musteață)

                          Dorin Nicolaescu-Musteață wrote:

                           

                          4) Chrome IS NOT color-managed. Use the "--enable-monitor-profile" command-line switch.

                          I believe that even with that switch, it ignores image profiles, assuming all images to be sRGB.  In other words, it can be persuaded to respect monitor profiles but not image profiles.  At best it does half the job! 

                           

                          It used to be that way, but I've not tested it recently. 

                          • 10. Re: Color Space Issue?
                            Dorin Nicolaescu-Musteață Community Member
                            Dorin Nicolaescu-Musteață Mar 27, 2012 5:06 AM (in response to CSS Simon)

                            Yes, it is still half-assed.

                             

                            At least it solves the wide gamut monitor problem.