Thanks for trying to help.
But I still think Illustrator has a long way to go before it can catch up with the Corel DRAW of 15 years ago when it comes to making things easy (or sensible).
It's interesting to see that the Info Panel displays the rotation when you use the Rotation Tool.
However, this is an unnecessary step since you can just use the Black Arrow Tool since it's active most of the time. Why the Info Panel doesn't give the same service I don't know.
And even so, in the end, if you need to "un-rotate" something you have to apply the Transform Effect, open the dialog, and enter the opposite of the rotation. Wow, that's insane.
I've just come to realize that every single time I need to rotate something I have to duplicate it and put it off to the side.
You know, actually you wound up helping me a lot.
I just realized that I can just hit R and rotate things that way from now on.
And if I never need to "un-rotate" something, I can just apply a "standard" Transform (not the live effect).
When I do, it's rotation is already in the box. I just need to add a minus. Bam. Not Bad.
I agree about bad design and Corel. These days Corel just isn't used anymore.
I switched to AI because of it's connectivity with so many other programs. But it wasn't an easy change.
And, yes, AI does crazy good stuff that Corel can't, like multiple fills and strokes. Just awesome.
But I still feel AI is pretty much prehistoric when it comes to making some things easy.
E.g. The whole way text works in AI is just crazy in my book. You always have to tip toe around gigantic bounding boxes.
But that's for another thread.
In the end I got a great new workaround. Thanks again!